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Post by Wicked Cricket on Oct 15, 2021 15:36:44 GMT
I have not been following the Sussex CCC news of late, partly due to my abject disappointment with the club and partly because of my growing disinterest.
So, when I read about the departure of Richard Halsall today, I was, "shocked" and agree with Chris Adams' view that his departure is "Arguably the biggest loss this year." If the club's CEO has placed his
complete faith in the Academy and then the primary coach leaves what now?
I first began posting on a previous Club supporters' Forum back in 2009 when Sussex CCC were riding high. Having watched the county steadily fall from top to bottom over a 12 year period, the frustration and upset has been, at times, quite painful. Time and time again, supporters have aired their grievances, pointed out
the obvious errors, how to improve the situation etc.. on the Forums, but nothing ever happens.
Is Andrew a one trick pony? Rugby is his game and cricket his shame?
I have had the opportunity of interviewing and chatting to Andrew on various occasions and always found him to be affable and seemingly aware of what needs to be done. Yet, for how much longer can the bad news continue before someone makes a stand?
Back in 1997 May, Marlar, Pigott and Barrow formed a group to take down the hierarchy. Perhaps, it is time for Adams, Prior, Kirtley and AN to do the same?
Matt Prior recent tweets and responses
And this is Chris Adams' reply
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Post by ashingtonmartlet on Oct 15, 2021 19:23:30 GMT
I’m not sure Kirtley would be part of any coup, given that he works for the current regime. He’d have to resign as coach in order to be involved in anything, especially as, don’t forget as well, Marlar and May stood for committee as their way in. That’s the only way for Adams, Prior or anyone to currently get involved, through the ballot box, they’re not going to miraculously get employed or take the club over.
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Post by hovefella on Oct 16, 2021 10:35:44 GMT
I do not know much about Adams or Prior. But both have been out of the game for a long while. County cricket has changed significantly in this time. In most fields of life being out of touch for so long would disqualify someone from being appointed. Would it really be such a wise appointment for Sussex? I have grave doubts.
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Post by joe on Oct 16, 2021 10:54:12 GMT
I do not know much about Adams or Prior. But both have been out of the game for a long while. County cricket has changed significantly in this time. In most fields of life being out of touch for so long would disqualify someone from being appointed. Would it really be such a wise appointment for Sussex? I have grave doubts. Completely agree when it comes to Prior. However Adams is master in charge of cricket at Seaford College and still plays in over 50 games and charity matches so is still in and around cricket. He also has proven leadership skills.
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Post by enoughisenough on Oct 16, 2021 14:10:45 GMT
How we miss the experience of the ex-Sussex coaches Mark Robinson (won the red-ball championship with Warwickshire in his first season) and Peter Moores (a good 2021 season at Notts). Now Richard Halsall is leaving, a serious loss to the club. This comes on top of the stream of experienced and valued Sussex players voting with their feet, including Danny Briggs (a significant contributor to Warwickshire's success), Chris Jordan and Phil Salt. Luke Wells' departure may well have been involuntary but he has also proved at Lancs that he still has much to offer, and got a chance to play in all three formats at a major Test ground.
A few weeks back Matt Prior - only out of the game for seven years, by the way, Joe: considerably less time than James or Ian - remarked that "Sussex used to be a club that players wanted to JOIN, not leave". During the recent online forum our Chairman derided Prior for his recent remarks and said he was "disappointed" in him. I imagine Alan Caffyn may have been pretty "disappointed", or stronger, in Tony Piggott back in 1997. Re-reading my copy of Revolution 97, the Sussex Cricket Society limited edition booklet published in 2018 (described on the front cover as "A Celebration of the 21st Anniversary of the Sussex CCC Members' Rebellion that Ousted A Committee and Led to a Golden Decade of Club Success") I am struck by how quickly events moved once Pigott and Jim May decided to act. In his Introduction Chris Stonor refers to "growing unrest among the Sussex squad which led to six capped players leaving in 1996" and he goes on to say that "for some supporters this was the final funereal nail in the coffin and something had to be done..." Only two months before the 1997 AGM Pigott, as part of a Sussex Cricket Society evening spoke at the ground about his 18-year club service". He isquoted as saying "I was quickly aware of a disgruntlement from the 100 or so supporters attending. Many believed the rot had to stop." So, given that there is a similarly palpable, and fast growing, dissatisfaction shared by many members in 2021, why doesn't the Sussex Cricket Society invite Matt Prior and Chris Adams to discuss their distinguished - and, lest we forget! - extremely SUCCESSFUL careers with Sussex at one of their meetings? Maybe history can repeat itself and hopefully we can stop the exodus of playing and coaching talent from a club that was flying high only a few short years ago.
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Post by sponge on Oct 16, 2021 14:55:57 GMT
Goodness me. Be careful what you wish for. We don't need a revolution. We have to give Salisbury and Kirtley time. I want to see how the young squad develops with the addition of some more experience. There is certainly space for Adams in the setup, but none for Prior. Halsall leaving is a loss; however please remember he was absent quite a lot of the time due to his other commitments. We now need the following for 2022:- - Academy director - top quality batting coach - two more experienced players to play all formats (1 batter, 1 bowler).
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Post by enoughisenough on Oct 16, 2021 15:51:50 GMT
I wasn't necessarily saying that I felt Salisbury and Kirtley shouldn't be given more time (although I do feel that Salisbury in particular was guilty of naivety in thinking that the players he was selecting could reasonably be expected to win games of Championship cricket). I just don't see how any of us can ignore the woeful mismanagement of the club over recent seasons, culminating in the nadir in performance this year. It's the management that need to be challenged, and I don't blame distinguished successful ex-players from voicing their concerns at the way the club is drifting onto the rocks. It would be a surprise if they weren't seriously angry at how far the club has fallen in the few short years since they were playing.
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Post by coverpoint on Oct 16, 2021 17:06:00 GMT
We now need the following for 2022:- - Academy director - top quality batting coach - two more experienced players to play all formats (1 batter, 1 bowler). I agree with the first two especially the batting coach as I don't think Jason Swift or Ashley Wright are good enough. Batsmen and seam bowling recruits are likely to come from overseas with no quality domestic players available.
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Post by ashingtonmartlet on Oct 16, 2021 17:53:30 GMT
Goodness me. Be careful what you wish for. We don't need a revolution. We have to give Salisbury and Kirtley time. I want to see how the young squad develops with the addition of some more experience. There is certainly space for Adams in the setup, but none for Prior. Halsall leaving is a loss; however please remember he was absent quite a lot of the time due to his other commitments. We now need the following for 2022:- - Academy director - top quality batting coach - two more experienced players to play all formats (1 batter, 1 bowler). We don’t need a revolution?!? We need something!!! Anyway, we’re not talking about removing the coaches, it’s higher up there needs to be changed. Incidentally, Prior was used as a coach by Sussex earlier this year, and only retired 6 years ago. Furthermore, I’m not proposing Adams or Prior are brought in as director of cricket or similar. I think it would be far better if they stood for the committee - something that the membership can influence happening.
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Post by ashingtonmartlet on Oct 16, 2021 18:01:49 GMT
How we miss the experience of the ex-Sussex coaches Mark Robinson (won the red-ball championship with Warwickshire in his first season) and Peter Moores (a good 2021 season at Notts). Now Richard Halsall is leaving, a serious loss to the club. This comes on top of the stream of experienced and valued Sussex players voting with their feet, including Danny Briggs (a significant contributor to Warwickshire's success), Chris Jordan and Phil Salt. Luke Wells' departure may well have been involuntary but he has also proved at Lancs that he still has much to offer, and got a chance to play in all three formats at a major Test ground. A few weeks back Matt Prior - only out of the game for seven years, by the way, Joe: considerably less time than James or Ian - remarked that "Sussex used to be a club that players wanted to JOIN, not leave". During the recent online forum our Chairman derided Prior for his recent remarks and said he was "disappointed" in him. I imagine Alan Caffyn may have been pretty "disappointed", or stronger, in Tony Piggott back in 1997. Re-reading my copy of Revolution 97, the Sussex Cricket Society limited edition booklet published in 2018 (described on the front cover as "A Celebration of the 21st Anniversary of the Sussex CCC Members' Rebellion that Ousted A Committee and Led to a Golden Decade of Club Success") I am struck by how quickly events moved once Pigott and Jim May decided to act. In his Introduction Chris Stonor refers to "growing unrest among the Sussex squad which led to six capped players leaving in 1996" and he goes on to say that "for some supporters this was the final funereal nail in the coffin and something had to be done..." Only two months before the 1997 AGM Pigott, as part of a Sussex Cricket Society evening spoke at the ground about his 18-year club service". He isquoted as saying "I was quickly aware of a disgruntlement from the 100 or so supporters attending. Many believed the rot had to stop." So, given that there is a similarly palpable, and fast growing, dissatisfaction shared by many members in 2021, why doesn't the Sussex Cricket Society invite Matt Prior and Chris Adams to discuss their distinguished - and, lest we forget! - extremely SUCCESSFUL careers with Sussex at one of their meetings? Maybe history can repeat itself and hopefully we can stop the exodus of playing and coaching talent from a club that was flying high only a few short years ago. The 6 players left for different reasons… Wells - botched sacking as captain so wanted to leave Salisbury, Law & Speight - turned down new contracts, wanted to leave Giddins - sacked in July 1996 for failed drugs test Hall - released ….but nonetheless, it represented the squad falling apart and the loss of key, talented and experienced players (sound familiar?) and led to the uprising and mobilisation of the coup, started by Marlar really with some heavy criticism of the club management in the press. I remember Lester at the Cricket Society well, the whole evening in fact, as it was the first time Jim May made himself known to the public, announcing before asking a question that he was standing for election. Spoke to him afterwards and he said that Marlar was as well, so I came away from the night with the first shoots of optimism that maybe something might happen. No internet in those days either.
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Post by liquidskin on Oct 18, 2021 20:07:08 GMT
Well let's get cracking then. I got a couple a bucks I can throw in the pot if they need to put a spread on or something.
Other that the odd employee, like Andyb, nobody wants Andrew at the club, do they? Ain't got an issue with the coaches, yet. The direction is abysmal and them admitting it's abysmal after 5 odd years of overseeing it does nothing for the confidence.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2021 8:37:54 GMT
I think if Rob Andrew manages to pull off Travis Head as our Captain and go all out to get Pattinson it might even make Liquidskin happy
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Post by ashingtonmartlet on Oct 20, 2021 10:54:09 GMT
Is Pattinson a possibility, or are you alert to his retirement from test cricket? Would be an amazing signing on ability, but, would he even be looking to join a county, given his reasons for retiring?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2021 11:06:03 GMT
Is Pattinson a possibility, or are you alert to his retirement from test cricket? Would be an amazing signing on ability, but, would he even be looking to join a county, given his reasons for retiring? He's indicated he wants to play County Cricket.
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Post by liquidskin on Oct 20, 2021 18:23:15 GMT
I think if Rob Andrew manages to pull off Travis Head as our Captain and go all out to get Pattinson it might even make Liquidskin happy I'm always happy. It's innate. Having said that, I'm not happy - we don't need an OS bowler, we have Garton, Finn, Atkins & H-P starting, with Hunt, Crocombe and Sarro backing them up. We will also likely have Robinson and Archer for the first few games. We need an OS 4 and 5 to supplement our cemented top 3 and 6 down. Tell that to your superiors. Head flopped bad so I'd look elsewhere. Tell them that too. And then tell them to leave and let someone else do it.
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