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Post by enoughisenough on Jan 19, 2022 6:40:40 GMT
As others sees us:
In the Telegraph at the weekend, Scyld Berry wrote: "The Sussex captain's blistering century was the finest and fiercest Test counter-attack one might wish to see".
He went on to say that in spite of a disappointing CC season in England Head scored a couple of Sheffield Shield centuries to boost his confidence ahead of The Ashes.
He then added: "Head has another source of confidence and financial security: he is Sussex’s championship captain next season. As the county is almost bereft of senior players, Ben Brown having signed for Hampshire and Chris Jordan for Surrey, Head will have to add another mature string to his bow as the leader of the waifs and strays who finished bottom in last season’s championship."
He's not far wrong. Waifs and strays indeed. If Head can use his undoubted leadership skills and, coming off his Ashes triumphs, instil some confidence in our experience-light squad and turn things around, we will all be in his debt.
We can dream anyway....
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Post by sponge on Jan 19, 2022 7:38:57 GMT
As others sees us: In the Telegraph at the weekend, Scyld Berry wrote: "The Sussex captain's blistering century was the finest and fiercest Test counter-attack one might wish to see". He went on to say that in spite of a disappointing CC season in England Head scored a couple of Sheffield Shield centuries to boost his confidence ahead of The Ashes. He then added: "Head has another source of confidence and financial security: he is Sussex’s championship captain next season. As the county is almost bereft of senior players, Ben Brown having signed for Hampshire and Chris Jordan for Surrey, Head will have to add another mature string to his bow as the leader of the waifs and strays who finished bottom in last season’s championship." He's not far wrong. Waifs and strays indeed. If Head can use his undoubted leadership skills and, coming off his Ashes triumphs, instil some confidence in our experience-light squad and turn things around, we will all be in his debt. We can dream anyway.... Mmmmmm. How many games did Jordan play in the County CC? We all know losing Brown is poor; but as Brown wont say why he left the Sussex supporters are left to form their own opinions. Finn and Hudson Prentice are joining the waifs and strays. Put Mr Berry's analysis in the bin where it belongs. |
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Post by therealab1 on Jan 19, 2022 9:26:21 GMT
Waifs and strays is extremely disrespectful. Yes results were disappointing but theres a whole host of talent coming through, one day enoughisenough may say something positive about our players
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Post by lovelyboy on Jan 19, 2022 14:22:49 GMT
Waifs and strays is extremely disrespectful. Yes results were disappointing but theres a whole host of talent coming through, one day enoughisenough may say something positive about our players Why aren’t any of our youngsters good enough for the England u19 team? One in the squad and none in the team isn’t that many for a side who is relying on them is it? |
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Post by coverpoint on Jan 19, 2022 19:07:55 GMT
Waifs and strays is extremely disrespectful. Yes results were disappointing but theres a whole host of talent coming through, one day enoughisenough may say something positive about our players Why aren’t any of our youngsters good enough for the England u19 team? One in the squad and none in the team isn’t that many for a side who is relying on them is it? If you want to get selected by England at any level you need to play for Lancashire, Notts, Surrey, Warwickshire or Yorkshire. If you play for any of the other thirteen counties you can forget about getting selected by England. Given the Ashes shambles perhaps the England selectors will buy a map and drive to the thirteen other county grounds at some point in the season. |
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Post by therealab1 on Jan 19, 2022 21:30:34 GMT
Waifs and strays is extremely disrespectful. Yes results were disappointing but theres a whole host of talent coming through, one day enoughisenough may say something positive about our players Why aren’t any of our youngsters good enough for the England u19 team? One in the squad and none in the team isn’t that many for a side who is relying on them is it? Giles Hayward and Nick Wilton were u19 hopes but failed. So you argument fails. Just say you youd rather us not win so the management will be sacked regardless of who plays for Sussex |
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Post by lovelyboy on Jan 20, 2022 7:24:09 GMT
Why aren’t any of our youngsters good enough for the England u19 team? One in the squad and none in the team isn’t that many for a side who is relying on them is it? Giles Hayward and Nick Wilton were u19 hopes but failed. So you argument fails. Just say you youd rather us not win so the management will be sacked regardless of who plays for Sussex Good point about Haywood and Wilton AB. (Although I am still surprised that youngsters who can start for a county can’t make the England u19 team) As for your other comment, I’ve supported Sussex for 33 years and always want them to win which is why I want the management out as under their watch we lose most of our games! I’d love nothing more than Grubby and Squeaky to prove us all wrong and prove that getting rid of Nash, Wells, Salt, Evans, Brown, Tawanda, Burgess, Jordan, Briggsy and Topley is a master stroke but I can’t see it, can you? I’d love nothing more than suddenly our recruitment to start signing us players who will make a difference. But Grubby and Squeaky signed us Meaker, Claydon and Thomason so I can’t see this happening either… can you? I’d love nothing more than to believe this is a great plan to blood all these youngsters but we played 26 players last season and most of them did not have contracts this time last year so it wasn’t even planned I just can’t see why anyone would give this management the benefit of the doubt, we are the worst team in the country and we are getting worse! But of course I still want us to win and if Grubby and Squeaky turn it round and next season we are challenging for promotion than I’ll be the first to apologise and praise them both! As always I’d be interested in your view on why you back them? What have you seen from them that has impressed you? |
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Post by enoughisenough on Jan 20, 2022 8:20:35 GMT
You may dismiss Scyld Berry's comments but he's been a cricket journalist for 45 years and has reported on more England Test matches than any other journalist and plenty of CC matches. It's not his job too be "respectful" to Sussex ccc any more than it's his job - and that of most cricket commentators right now - to be respectful to Messrs Silverwood, Giles et al. It's his job to tell it like it is.
In his 2021 end of season review he criticised the Sussex management and coaching staff thus: "Fielding a championship team with an average age of 19 1/2 was a step too far. Who are these teenagers going to bat around and learn from? The one type of experience not worth having is the experience of losing".
Our management and coaches have to expect media criticism from the Telegraph, The Cricketer and others because of their flawed decision making over the past 18 months. You don't get to be winner of the wooden spoon if you're making sensible, rational decisions.
I have made favourable comment on the forum about some very promising individual performances from Orr, Ibrahim, Lenham and others, and Haines has come a long way in a very short time to be (another) potential England player from Sussex. But the management's willingness to let so many experienced players go, or even help some of them out the door, in order to conduct an experiment to see how many under-23s you can field in a Sussex X1 has been a seriously misguided policy, as even they now seem to acknowledge.
I've been a Sussex supporter for more than 60 years but it's been very hard watching the wheels come off over these past few years. The teams selected in the past two seasons have been by far the least experienced ever fielded as a 1st X1 in the post-war era.
You reap what you sow, as they say!
Anyway, to end on a positive, good luck to Travis Head in 2022 - let's hope he can turn out to be an inspirational captain and help us to end the past few seasons of relentless decline.
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Post by lovelyboy on Jan 20, 2022 8:30:44 GMT
You may dismiss Scyld Berry's comments but he's been a cricket journalist for 45 years and has reported on more England Test matches than any other journalist and plenty of CC matches. It's not his job too be "respectful" to Sussex ccc any more than it's his job - and that of most cricket commentators right now - to be respectful to Messrs Silverwood, Giles et al. It's his job to tell it like it is. In his 2021 end of season review he criticised the Sussex management and coaching staff thus: "Fielding a championship team with an average age of 19 1/2 was a step too far. Who are these teenagers going to bat around and learn from? The one type of experience not worth having is the experience of losing". Our management and coaches have to expect media criticism from the Telegraph, The Cricketer and others because of their flawed decision making over the past 18 months. You don't get to be winner of the wooden spoon if you're making sensible, rational decisions. I have made favourable comment on the forum about some very promising individual performances from Orr, Ibrahim, Lenham and others, and Haines has come a long way in a very short time to be (another) potential England player from Sussex. But the management's willingness to let so many experienced players go, or even help some of them out the door, in order to conduct an experiment to see how many under-23s you can field in a Sussex X1 has been a seriously misguided policy, as even they now seem to acknowledge. I've been a Sussex supporter for more than 60 years but it's been very hard watching the wheels come off over these past few years. The teams selected in the past two seasons have been by far the least experienced ever fielded as a 1st X1 in the post-war era. You reap what you sow, as they say! Anyway, to end on a positive, good luck to Travis Head in 2022 - let's hope he can turn out to be an inspirational captain and help us to end the past few seasons of relentless decline. Great post |
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Post by ashingtonmartlet on Jan 20, 2022 9:22:40 GMT
You may dismiss Scyld Berry's comments but he's been a cricket journalist for 45 years and has reported on more England Test matches than any other journalist and plenty of CC matches. It's not his job too be "respectful" to Sussex ccc any more than it's his job - and that of most cricket commentators right now - to be respectful to Messrs Silverwood, Giles et al. It's his job to tell it like it is. In his 2021 end of season review he criticised the Sussex management and coaching staff thus: "Fielding a championship team with an average age of 19 1/2 was a step too far. Who are these teenagers going to bat around and learn from? The one type of experience not worth having is the experience of losing". Our management and coaches have to expect media criticism from the Telegraph, The Cricketer and others because of their flawed decision making over the past 18 months. You don't get to be winner of the wooden spoon if you're making sensible, rational decisions. I have made favourable comment on the forum about some very promising individual performances from Orr, Ibrahim, Lenham and others, and Haines has come a long way in a very short time to be (another) potential England player from Sussex. But the management's willingness to let so many experienced players go, or even help some of them out the door, in order to conduct an experiment to see how many under-23s you can field in a Sussex X1 has been a seriously misguided policy, as even they now seem to acknowledge. I've been a Sussex supporter for more than 60 years but it's been very hard watching the wheels come off over these past few years. The teams selected in the past two seasons have been by far the least experienced ever fielded as a 1st X1 in the post-war era. You reap what you sow, as they say! Anyway, to end on a positive, good luck to Travis Head in 2022 - let's hope he can turn out to be an inspirational captain and help us to end the past few seasons of relentless decline. Absolutely spot on. |
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Post by therealab1 on Jan 20, 2022 9:24:34 GMT
Giles Hayward and Nick Wilton were u19 hopes but failed. So you argument fails. Just say you youd rather us not win so the management will be sacked regardless of who plays for Sussex Good point about Haywood and Wilton AB. (Although I am still surprised that youngsters who can start for a county can’t make the England u19 team) As for your other comment, I’ve supported Sussex for 33 years and always want them to win which is why I want the management out as under their watch we lose most of our games! I’d love nothing more than Grubby and Squeaky to prove us all wrong and prove that getting rid of Nash, Wells, Salt, Evans, Brown, Tawanda, Burgess, Jordan, Briggsy and Topley is a master stroke but I can’t see it, can you? I’d love nothing more than suddenly our recruitment to start signing us players who will make a difference. But Grubby and Squeaky signed us Meaker, Claydon and Thomason so I can’t see this happening either… can you? I’d love nothing more than to believe this is a great plan to blood all these youngsters but we played 26 players last season and most of them did not have contracts this time last year so it wasn’t even planned I just can’t see why anyone would give this management the benefit of the doubt, we are the worst team in the country and we are getting worse! But of course I still want us to win and if Grubby and Squeaky turn it round and next season we are challenging for promotion than I’ll be the first to apologise and praise them both! As always I’d be interested in your view on why you back them? What have you seen from them that has impressed you? We got to T20 Finals day last year so far from the worse team in the country. For me it's not about backing them it's buying into the process they're asking me to. I believe in 3 to 4 years time we will be a team competing at the top end of the English game again. And i think and least 2 of last seasons team will go on to play for England. We were losing heavily under Robbo for the last couple of seasons under him and we paid a heavy price for his recruitment in the later days, Panesar and losing Rayner, Burgoyne, Linley, Dockerill to name just a few. |
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Post by ashingtonmartlet on Jan 20, 2022 9:25:22 GMT
Giles Hayward and Nick Wilton were u19 hopes but failed. So you argument fails. Just say you youd rather us not win so the management will be sacked regardless of who plays for Sussex Good point about Haywood and Wilton AB. (Although I am still surprised that youngsters who can start for a county can’t make the England u19 team) As for your other comment, I’ve supported Sussex for 33 years and always want them to win which is why I want the management out as under their watch we lose most of our games! I’d love nothing more than Grubby and Squeaky to prove us all wrong and prove that getting rid of Nash, Wells, Salt, Evans, Brown, Tawanda, Burgess, Jordan, Briggsy and Topley is a master stroke but I can’t see it, can you? I’d love nothing more than suddenly our recruitment to start signing us players who will make a difference. But Grubby and Squeaky signed us Meaker, Claydon and Thomason so I can’t see this happening either… can you? I’d love nothing more than to believe this is a great plan to blood all these youngsters but we played 26 players last season and most of them did not have contracts this time last year so it wasn’t even planned I just can’t see why anyone would give this management the benefit of the doubt, we are the worst team in the country and we are getting worse! But of course I still want us to win and if Grubby and Squeaky turn it round and next season we are challenging for promotion than I’ll be the first to apologise and praise them both! As always I’d be interested in your view on why you back them? What have you seen from them that has impressed you? Very well put. It's inconceivable that anyone could think the management are doing well and that losing all those decent, experienced players is in anyway good. |
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Post by ashingtonmartlet on Jan 20, 2022 9:28:35 GMT
Good point about Haywood and Wilton AB. (Although I am still surprised that youngsters who can start for a county can’t make the England u19 team) As for your other comment, I’ve supported Sussex for 33 years and always want them to win which is why I want the management out as under their watch we lose most of our games! I’d love nothing more than Grubby and Squeaky to prove us all wrong and prove that getting rid of Nash, Wells, Salt, Evans, Brown, Tawanda, Burgess, Jordan, Briggsy and Topley is a master stroke but I can’t see it, can you? I’d love nothing more than suddenly our recruitment to start signing us players who will make a difference. But Grubby and Squeaky signed us Meaker, Claydon and Thomason so I can’t see this happening either… can you? I’d love nothing more than to believe this is a great plan to blood all these youngsters but we played 26 players last season and most of them did not have contracts this time last year so it wasn’t even planned I just can’t see why anyone would give this management the benefit of the doubt, we are the worst team in the country and we are getting worse! But of course I still want us to win and if Grubby and Squeaky turn it round and next season we are challenging for promotion than I’ll be the first to apologise and praise them both! As always I’d be interested in your view on why you back them? What have you seen from them that has impressed you? We got to T20 Finals day last year so far from the worse team in the country. For me it's not about backing them it's buying into the process they're asking me to. I believe in 3 to 4 years time we will be a team competing at the top end of the English game again. And i think and least 2 of last seasons team will go on to play for England. We were losing heavily under Robbo for the last couple of seasons under him and we paid a heavy price for his recruitment in the later days, Panesar and losing Rayner, Burgoyne, Linley, Dockerill to name just a few. Panesar was an upgrade on Rayner and was an England test player. Linley was only on loan in 2015. But that's just a deflection tactic, trying to defend the current (mis)management by wheeling out seasons from years ago. You have to have your head in the sand if you're falling for this "process". How can shipping out anyone with any experience and flooding the team with youngsters be in any way good? |
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Post by therealab1 on Jan 20, 2022 11:08:53 GMT
We got to T20 Finals day last year so far from the worse team in the country. For me it's not about backing them it's buying into the process they're asking me to. I believe in 3 to 4 years time we will be a team competing at the top end of the English game again. And i think and least 2 of last seasons team will go on to play for England. We were losing heavily under Robbo for the last couple of seasons under him and we paid a heavy price for his recruitment in the later days, Panesar and losing Rayner, Burgoyne, Linley, Dockerill to name just a few. Panesar was an upgrade on Rayner and was an England test player. Linley was only on loan in 2015. But that's just a deflection tactic, trying to defend the current (mis)management by wheeling out seasons from years ago. You have to have your head in the sand if you're falling for this "process". How can shipping out anyone with any experience and flooding the team with youngsters be in any way good? It's your opinion and i have mine. The point im making is that when we tried packing our squad with journeyman players we were still getting beat. Again i never said that we dont need experience, we do. But I'm choosing to back the process that a handful of senior pro's mixed with real quality up and coming talent is a better process and makes use of our academy. It's fine you dont like the management but it's also fine that I do. |
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Post by lovelyboy on Jan 20, 2022 11:37:40 GMT
Panesar was an upgrade on Rayner and was an England test player. Linley was only on loan in 2015. But that's just a deflection tactic, trying to defend the current (mis)management by wheeling out seasons from years ago. You have to have your head in the sand if you're falling for this "process". How can shipping out anyone with any experience and flooding the team with youngsters be in any way good? It's your opinion and i have mine. The point im making is that when we tried packing our squad with journeyman players we were still getting beat. Again i never said that we dont need experience, we do. But I'm choosing to back the process that a handful of senior pro's mixed with real quality up and coming talent is a better process and makes use of our academy. It's fine you dont like the management but it's also fine that I do. AB I think its great you have a different opinion to the majority, life and this board would be much duller without contrasting views
I also really hope you are right, I dont want us to keep finishing bottom and losing our best players, so I really hope you can see in our management team what me and others cant
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