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Post by therealab1 on Jul 26, 2022 15:19:52 GMT
A fair effort with the ball that, but with this batting line up and their attack on a green seamer i think we are slightly behind the 8 ball but conditions are now more favourable to bat in.
Come on Sussex
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Post by philh on Jul 26, 2022 15:31:13 GMT
Can we take 20 wickets in this game? Weather-permitting, a result looks likely. Well skippered, Pujara. We don't want Ollie getting a fifer so that England notice. 200 for the first wicket and we are in the driving seat.
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Post by coverpoint on Jul 26, 2022 16:44:32 GMT
Without Tom Haines and Tom Alsop our top six is extremely weak. Hudson-Prentice is not a number 3 and Coles is not a number 6. Carter and Clark are not a good starters but are generally alright if they get in. This is the best bowling attack Sussex have faced this season. 91 to avoid the follow on or we could be losing inside four sessions.
Sussex batting averages
Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s
CA Pujara 8* 12 3 1012 231 112.44 1690 59.88 5 0 0 121 7
OJ Carter 8* 12 0 560 185 46.66 1034 54.15 1 4 1 62 8
TP Alsop 10 18 1 778 150 45.76 1440 54.02 3 4 1 96 2
AGH Orr 9* 16 1 681 141 45.40 1461 46.61 2 3 2 81 10
TGR Clark 10* 17 1 700 138 43.75 1423 49.19 2 4 0 88 2
TJ Haines 9 15 1 604 243 43.14 944 63.98 1 3 1 85 0
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Post by coverpoint on Jul 26, 2022 16:45:17 GMT
No we're a minor county now. No such thing as minor counties. This game should be a real test to see where these young lads are in their progress. Another unfortunate injury to an in form player certainly hasnt helped but if Robbo is allowed to play by the ECB that should make a big difference to our attack. Whatever Devon and Cornwall are. |
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Post by liquidskin on Jul 26, 2022 17:00:45 GMT
Welcome to a green top Sussex. Should balance out those over inflated batting averages a bit, and rightly so. We could produce wickets like this, it's easy. Just the odd one here & there. Pick your opponent, like Notts probably have today.
Devon & Cornwall are officially two of 20 minor counties sides within the domestic structure in England & Wales to this very day.
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Post by devonexile on Jul 26, 2022 17:14:03 GMT
A really good effort to dismiss a top quality side, who let's be fair should really be in Division One, for just 240.
I was out this morning, so missed the first session where judging by the lunchtime score we were clearly on top and bowled well. Robinson clearly back to full fitness and makes a considerable improvement to our bowling attack that has been struggling all season.
However, I felt despite the good effort and a score we would have taken before the start of play, similar to the last game we again failed to press home the advantage. 102-5, 141-6, 152-7, probably should have shot them out for under 200.
We seemed to lose our way a little when Mullaney and Pattinson came together. Too many deliveries wide of the stumps, added to the three dropped catches over the course of their innings. Didn't see the first (Clark), the second was difficult (Clark), but the third (Carter) should have been taken. That's four over the course of two innings for our young keeper now and if that trend continues then it becomes a serious problem.
I know, readers will say I am being harsh with my observations, but that is the difference between a quality successful side and what we need to aspire to become if we have real aspirations to return to being high performing and competitive.
This gap in quality now being further demonstrated and exposed as they rip through our top order. This may well be a bit of a reality check of how far our young batters have really progressed this season facing a high quality bowling attack on a wicket that offers some help as opposed to some of the really flat tracks we have seen in previous fixtures.
Our lack of squad depth is again being exposed. Clark would appear better deployed batting at 4 or 5, Carter at 6 and was it really fair to expose Hudson-Prentice at 3 given he is a middle order batter away from the new ball, even before factoring in the lack of cricket he has played this season. Coles, Lenham at 6 and 7 is another big ask.
Ironically, I thought with them out for 240, following on wouldn't be an issue, at 55-5 I am not quite so confident.
One last thought, our rookie trialist seamer has now taken more wickets in two innings than our experienced former international winter signing has in five matches and has bowled almost 100 fewer overs. Just an observation.
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Post by devonexile on Jul 26, 2022 18:22:19 GMT
Not for the first time this season another performance showing a maturity beyond his years by Archie Lenham.
I said in the Middlesex thread during the last game that he will become a big player for Sussex down the line and I still believe that to be the case.
Just watching him I couldn't help but think, if you could only impart some of that discipline and ability to read and adapt and play to a match situation into Delray Rawlins.
Combined with Delray's natural ability and talent, because he has definitely got it probably more so than many of the others, then what a player he would be for this team.
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Post by liquidskin on Jul 26, 2022 18:32:24 GMT
Great stuff, tricky pitch with the newie, as it should be. Batting day tomorrow, another double ton for Pujara & a maiden ton for the impressive Archibald and we're on top against the best side in div 2.
Better game ain't it? Tune in Sussex management, go green. Now & then at least, Jesus, not too unreasonable is it.
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Post by wiseman on Jul 26, 2022 19:35:45 GMT
The best day of the season with the ball,Ollie backed up by whole seam attack in a top day bowling performance to a man.
Notts have found the rythm with the ball.someone on here said can we take 20 wickets I think we will.
Pajura needs to be his calm self as usual and who's left need to be patient also as notts will win this division.
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Post by therealab1 on Jul 27, 2022 9:49:19 GMT
Clark got a stinker but yeah we do look light without Haines, Alsop and Rizwan.
Fingers crossed we can get close to their score but its a tall order with a long tail
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Post by therealab1 on Jul 27, 2022 10:32:34 GMT
A really good effort to dismiss a top quality side, who let's be fair should really be in Division One, for just 240. I was out this morning, so missed the first session where judging by the lunchtime score we were clearly on top and bowled well. Robinson clearly back to full fitness and makes a considerable improvement to our bowling attack that has been struggling all season. However, I felt despite the good effort and a score we would have taken before the start of play, similar to the last game we again failed to press home the advantage. 102-5, 141-6, 152-7, probably should have shot them out for under 200. We seemed to lose our way a little when Mullaney and Pattinson came together. Too many deliveries wide of the stumps, added to the three dropped catches over the course of their innings. Didn't see the first (Clark), the second was difficult (Clark), but the third (Carter) should have been taken. That's four over the course of two innings for our young keeper now and if that trend continues then it becomes a serious problem. I know, readers will say I am being harsh with my observations, but that is the difference between a quality successful side and what we need to aspire to become if we have real aspirations to return to being high performing and competitive. This gap in quality now being further demonstrated and exposed as they rip through our top order. This may well be a bit of a reality check of how far our young batters have really progressed this season facing a high quality bowling attack on a wicket that offers some help as opposed to some of the really flat tracks we have seen in previous fixtures. Our lack of squad depth is again being exposed. Clark would appear better deployed batting at 4 or 5, Carter at 6 and was it really fair to expose Hudson-Prentice at 3 given he is a middle order batter away from the new ball, even before factoring in the lack of cricket he has played this season. Coles, Lenham at 6 and 7 is another big ask. Ironically, I thought with them out for 240, following on wouldn't be an issue, at 55-5 I am not quite so confident. One last thought, our rookie trialist seamer has now taken more wickets in two innings than our experienced former international winter signing has in five matches and has bowled almost 100 fewer overs. Just an observation. When youi talk about the gap in quality, i dont disagree but you dont factor in the 8 players we have unavailable for a variety of reasons. Everyone always says Archer wouldnt be available anyway but it's still a high quality performer we are without. |
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Post by joe on Jul 27, 2022 10:56:54 GMT
143 all out trail by 97.
We’ve been Patto’d
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Post by devonexile on Jul 27, 2022 12:25:31 GMT
A really good effort to dismiss a top quality side, who let's be fair should really be in Division One, for just 240. I was out this morning, so missed the first session where judging by the lunchtime score we were clearly on top and bowled well. Robinson clearly back to full fitness and makes a considerable improvement to our bowling attack that has been struggling all season. However, I felt despite the good effort and a score we would have taken before the start of play, similar to the last game we again failed to press home the advantage. 102-5, 141-6, 152-7, probably should have shot them out for under 200. We seemed to lose our way a little when Mullaney and Pattinson came together. Too many deliveries wide of the stumps, added to the three dropped catches over the course of their innings. Didn't see the first (Clark), the second was difficult (Clark), but the third (Carter) should have been taken. That's four over the course of two innings for our young keeper now and if that trend continues then it becomes a serious problem. I know, readers will say I am being harsh with my observations, but that is the difference between a quality successful side and what we need to aspire to become if we have real aspirations to return to being high performing and competitive. This gap in quality now being further demonstrated and exposed as they rip through our top order. This may well be a bit of a reality check of how far our young batters have really progressed this season facing a high quality bowling attack on a wicket that offers some help as opposed to some of the really flat tracks we have seen in previous fixtures. Our lack of squad depth is again being exposed. Clark would appear better deployed batting at 4 or 5, Carter at 6 and was it really fair to expose Hudson-Prentice at 3 given he is a middle order batter away from the new ball, even before factoring in the lack of cricket he has played this season. Coles, Lenham at 6 and 7 is another big ask. Ironically, I thought with them out for 240, following on wouldn't be an issue, at 55-5 I am not quite so confident. One last thought, our rookie trialist seamer has now taken more wickets in two innings than our experienced former international winter signing has in five matches and has bowled almost 100 fewer overs. Just an observation. When youi talk about the gap in quality, i dont disagree but you dont factor in the 8 players we have unavailable for a variety of reasons. Everyone always says Archer wouldnt be available anyway but it's still a high quality performer we are without. Please read my post again on the Middlesex thread. I know you read it once as you commented on it. If a player wouldn't be available irrespective of whether he is fit, then it is irrelevant. Notts could apply the same argument to Stuart Broad and Jake Ball. It comes back to squad depth and planning. We knew at the start of the season we would see little of Robinson and nothing of Archer. Garton has now played in just four of the last twenty two Championship matches. That in itself should ring alarm bells. Carson was at best going to be missing the first block of six Championship matches. Crocombe and Atkins are hardly match winners and are they really any better or even that much better than the two trialists? Haines and Alsop would make some difference, but the former has struggled for form recently and need I remind you again of your original view on the signing of the latter? We can even include Finn if you like, look at the comment earlier in this thread around what he has contributed this season. The injured player's card is just too easy and convenient to play. Injuries are part and parcel of the game. Just look at the respective squads of both Middlesex and our current opposition ahead of our last two fixtures. The players they leave out and don't make the final eleven not only provide adequate cover for absentees, but would most probably get in our side. Brett Hutton, Martin Andersson, Ethan Bamber anyone? ...and Notts have just gone and strengthened further by signing Olly Stone!! You reckon you get a hard time on this messageboard, but it is exactly this type of myopic defence without possible consideration that those running the Club could have got it wrong, are beyond reproach or could be doing better. I do actually have a small element of admiration for you adopting a more supportive stance given some of the over the top critcism that sometimes appears in some of the posts. But your constant desire to take a contra position and find implausible excuses loses you any credibility and as a consequence the desire for anyone to enter into meaningful dialogue with you or take you seriously. With regard to this match, we have to be realistic. There is a considerable gulf in quality between the two sides irrespective of injuries. One of the key differences is their ability as they did this morning when they are on top to hammer home the advantage. 23 runs for the last five wickets. Something we have consistently failed to do over the past few seasons. This match is a benchmark, but one we can learn from in terms of squad building, mentality and planning. Do you really reckon they didn't analyse the opposition before preparing that wicket? They have been caught out by the surprise return of Robinson, but in Pattinson, Patterson and Fletcher barring something quite extraordinary they still have more than enough to win this comfortably. |
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Post by joe on Jul 27, 2022 13:10:10 GMT
Good post Devon.
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Post by therealab1 on Jul 27, 2022 14:00:28 GMT
When youi talk about the gap in quality, i dont disagree but you dont factor in the 8 players we have unavailable for a variety of reasons. Everyone always says Archer wouldnt be available anyway but it's still a high quality performer we are without. Please read my post again on the Middlesex thread. I know you read it once as you commented on it. If a player wouldn't be available irrespective of whether he is fit, then it is irrelevant. Notts could apply the same argument to Stuart Broad and Jake Ball. It comes back to squad depth and planning. We knew at the start of the season we would see little of Robinson and nothing of Archer. Garton has now played in just four of the last twenty two Championship matches. That in itself should ring alarm bells. Carson was at best going to be missing the first block of six Championship matches. Crocombe and Atkins are hardly match winners and are they really any better or even that much better than the two trialists? Haines and Alsop would make some difference, but the former has struggled for form recently and need I remind you again of your original view on the signing of the latter? We can even include Finn if you like, look at the comment earlier in this thread around what he has contributed this season. The injured player's card is just too easy and convenient to play. Injuries are part and parcel of the game. Just look at the respective squads of both Middlesex and our current opposition ahead of our last two fixtures. The players they leave out and don't make the final eleven not only provide adequate cover for absentees, but would most probably get in our side. Brett Hutton, Martin Andersson, Ethan Bamber anyone? ...and Notts have just gone and strengthened further by signing Olly Stone!! You reckon you get a hard time on this messageboard, but it is exactly this type of myopic defence without possible consideration that those running the Club could have got it wrong, are beyond reproach or could be doing better. I do actually have a small element of admiration for you adopting a more supportive stance given some of the over the top critcism that sometimes appears in some of the posts. But your constant desire to take a contra position and find implausible excuses loses you any credibility and as a consequence the desire for anyone to enter into meaningful dialogue with you or take you seriously. With regard to this match, we have to be realistic. There is a considerable gulf in quality between the two sides irrespective of injuries. One of the key differences is their ability as they did this morning when they are on top to hammer home the advantage. 23 runs for the last five wickets. Something we have consistently failed to do over the past few seasons. This match is a benchmark, but one we can learn from in terms of squad building, mentality and planning. Do you really reckon they didn't analyse the opposition before preparing that wicket? They have been caught out by the surprise return of Robinson, but in Pattinson, Patterson and Fletcher barring something quite extraordinary they still have more than enough to win this comfortably. You cant dismiss the injury list because it doesnt fit in with your argument. If you think missing Haines, Garton, Alsop, Archer, Atkins, Caron, Crocombe and Finn has't hampered a small squad I'm not sure your argument holds up either. I dont necessarily adopt a more supportive stance I just dont believe the constant attack on management and the team helps. All the attacks are based on gossip and opinion rather than actual fact. During one of my more boring work days recently i took a look at the steady decline in the squad and whether people like to admit it or not the rot set in at the end of Robinsons reign and hammered home by Mark Davis. The CEO's and Chairmen and those times in my opinion have a lot to answer for in how perilous they left the clubs finances. Grubbys biggest mistake for me was employing a part time head coach in Jason Gillespie. But i do massively support this process as i believe in Sussex Cricket from grass roots to the top and there is nothing greater to watch than homegrown talent performing for the martlets. |
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