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Post by deepextracover on Dec 10, 2014 10:06:25 GMT
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Dec 10, 2014 10:35:36 GMT
Let us look at this piece of heartening news uncovered by the poster above. 'Sussex expect to announce operating profit for financial year'
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/30397523Not being an accountant, I cannot pretend to understand the vagaries of such a practice but the club intent and ambition is there for all to see by drafting in two new top seamers for the 2015 season. On top of that the squad has grown and been strengthened with existing players re-signing contracts. No player has left except Jon Lewis who has now moved up the ladder to seamer coach. All this requires additional money. Our chairman states, "We've got auditors in at the moment so I can't nail down the exact result for 2014, but I do know we will record an operating profit." Adding, "It's a better performance than the prior year. We're really serious about developing our income." The club recorded an operating profit last season too but ended up £630k in deficit, primarily due to asset depreciation. Also, a similar fate occurred the previous year to that. In last year's accounts, the cracks were papered over by The Australian touring game which brought in around £230k. We know that off-field revenue increased by 20%; we also know income from the T20 was up, due to a larger number of matches. But no QFs in either OD tournament must have hurt and the Championship Sunday starts didn't benefit Sussex unlike certain other counties. As for the 50 over format, that has a way yet to build a consistent audience. But the T20 match against Sri Lanka attracted around 5,000 people which would have brought in much needed additional revenue and the home games against Somerset and Lancashire drew above average Championship attendances. Also, it is unclear whether the ECB £1m given to each of the 18 counties during 2013/2014 will benefit their accounts. If so, then the vast majority should herald better news after a disconcerting number of years, where various clubs were teetering on bankruptcy. And fortunately, Sussex have no debts, unlike the majority of TMGs, thanks to the £12m Spen Cama legacy. The important thing is, Sussex have not lost their ambition and move into the 2015 season as potential contenders for the Championship Trophy. As for their recent malaise in the OD tournaments, it is unclear how this can be turned around. Two new seamers may help, especially if they can bowl at the death with control and confidence. It is a heartening time as the county seek to emulate their recent glorious past. They go into the new season with the strongest squad since the days of Adams and Mushy. Coach Mark Robinson is happy as there is more money available now for new players, although question marks remain around the health of Matt Prior and the rumours surrounding RHB, as well as the lack of a top class spinner.
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Post by flashblade on Dec 10, 2014 10:47:37 GMT
As an accountant, I shall wait to see the final detailed figures before attempting any response to this. It is too easy to announce 'headline' numbers that do not provided a balanced, objective view of the results.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Dec 11, 2014 11:04:31 GMT
The financial dramas at Kent CCC never cease to amaze. After CEO Jamie Clifford’s plans to develop a 130 bed hotel at the St Lawrence ground failed to materialise, plan B was set in motion to build 60 retirement homes (52 two bedroom/8 three bedroom flats), constructed by ‘McCarthy & Stone’ as a bespoke retirement scheme for the over 55s. This was considered a done deal. Meanwhile, Canterbury City Council leader, John Gilbey, had given the club an additional £1.5m loan several years ago on the sole agreement that this money would be paid off when either the hotel or later the retirement homes had been built. To the shock of everyone, planning permission was refused this week on the grounds that 'McCarthy & Stone' had not allocated any properties for “affordable housing”. Even more surprising, the planning committee overruled the express desire of their senior man, Steve Davies, to go ahead with the plan. The Man Who Requires to Eat Humble Pie?So, where does this leave Kent CCC? One presumes the only way forward now is for John Gilbey to eat humble pie and roll the two past loans into one, unless of course, a hotel developer is found. That, ironically, “has” passed the planning permission stage! (John Gilbey was unavailable for comment)wearekent.org.uk/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=2718&start=90democracy.canterbury.gov.uk/moderngov/documents/s67175/CA1400729FUL.pdf
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2014 20:38:18 GMT
Also, it is unclear whether the ECB £1m given to each of the 18 counties during 2013/2014 will benefit their accounts. I believe it has a positive effect on the accounts in year one and a negative impact in years two, three and four when the loan is clawed back from the annual ECB stipend. At least, that was what the treasurer of another county reported. Sounds like a much improved performance on last year, although as fb sagely says, everyone should wait until the accounts are published and the full picture becomes clear before cracking open the champagne.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2014 21:12:18 GMT
The financial dramas at Kent CCC never cease to amaze. After CEO Jamie Clifford’s plans to develop a 130 bed hotel at the St Lawrence ground failed to materialise, plan B was set in motion to build 60 retirement homes (52 two bedroom/8 three bedroom flats), constructed by ‘McCarthy & Stone’ as a bespoke retirement scheme for the over 55s. This was considered a done deal. So, where does this leave Kent CCC? It will be welcomed by the vast majority of Kent supporters, if it means that the green and pleasant aspect of one of the most attractive grounds in the country is preserved. The plans submitted by Kent CCC/McCarthy & Stone were almost as ugly as the H blocks of Long Kesh or the 1960s block of flats at the Sea End at Hove (and very much closer and more intrusive to the playing area) and would have destroyed the character and loveliness of the Canterbury ground forever, in return for what in the long-term is a relatively small amount of money. But it leaves the club's hierarchy rocking ; the plans seem to have been turned down due to a combination of : (i) a perception by councillors of arrogance on the part of the club (ii) the refusal of McCarthy & Stone to pay the required sums for affordable housing and other community obligations. This sum was originally estimated by the District Valuers Service at £1.5 million and then revised down to £831k. McCarthy & Stone contested the figures and eventually got it further reduced to £650k. But they continued to argue with the city council and offered £350k, which was taking the pee. No real surprise that the planning committee found this to be a derisory and inadequate offer. According to Lib Dem Councillor and former Canterbury mayor Nick Eden-Green: "The development was refused on the grounds of scale, design and inadequate contribution to affordable housing. When the council gave a significant loan to the cricket club, we were promised things like a hotel, leisure facilities and a cricket museum and all we have so far is a bunch of houses, an ugly supermarket and now plans for more houses. This block of flats is not in keeping with the area and the contribution to affordable housing much reduced. The club said it couldn't get a hotel built and yet a Premier Inn has opened nearby whilst all this has been going on." Ouch. It is a particularly sweet victory for Eden-Green who has been in a long-running battle with council leader John Gilbey over various unsuitable housing developments in the Canterbury area that has grown increasingly personalised and nasty. At a council meeting in August Eden-Green accused Gilbey of running "a personal vendetta" against him. He also made a formal complaint to the council’s Chief Executive, Colin Carmichael, about an alleged personal attack on him by Councillor Gilbey at a meetng of the Local Plan Steering Group, from which Eden-Green then resigned in disgust at the council leader's behaviour. Earlier this year Cllr Gilbey was found guilty of divulging confidential information to a third party over a sensitive planning issue. The leader of the opposition on the Canterbury City Council, Alex Perkins said at the time : ""There is no other example that I can remember in my 28 years in local government of any other member of the city council being found guilty of this charge. What is more - as leader of the council - his actions are surely indefensible." Despite the disgrace, which resulted in the indignity of him being ordered to undergo retraining in his obligations as a councillor, he has somehow managed to cling on as council leader - but for how much longer, one wonders? Congratulations are due to the Kent members who bravely fought the plans and played their part in getting the monstrous development thrown out by lodging formal objections with Canterbury City Council during the public consultation process. If the club's hierarchy and Cllr Gilbey cannot get this decision of the planning committee overturned in full council, then heads will have to roll at both council and cricket club, one feels.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Dec 11, 2014 23:06:00 GMT
bm, I did not know about the rancour between John Gilbey and Eden-Green. I am saddened. I have spoken to Gilbey around half a dozen times over the last few years and always found him to be the perfect gentleman. He reminds one of the idyllic Englishman wearing a white suit from the former colonies. He spent his younger days working for the oil industry.One presumes this rancour is partly why Gilbey is not standing for re-election. www.kentonline.co.uk/canterbury/news/city-council-leader-john-gilbey-26994/www.johngilbey.com/index.htmlHis wife, Carol, is delightful too and we had a lovely chat once about her excitement discovering SKYPE and being able to chat with her grandchildren who now live overseas. Gilbey has always been sympathetic towards Kent CCC and why he has bailed them out twice from almost certain bankruptcy. He loves cricket and was a good player in the past. One wonders whether his successor will be so understanding.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Dec 13, 2014 9:59:53 GMT
Somerset are first out of the traps - as usual - with their 2014 accounts. Their consistency and solidity is the envy of other counties and this year is no different. (Pre-tax profit)2012: £466,791 2013: 468,703 But wait... 2014: £239,943 Close to half the profit of the previous two years. Even so, most counties would give their county Membership away for such a number and Somerset CEO, Guy Lavender, explains this lower figure is down to less income, partly due to no Australian touring match which bolstered the profit in 2013 and lower attendances for their OD games. So, what can other counties learn from Somerset's solid accounting? : Have a consistent financial base eg. Every year £300,000 is accrued from parking and property rental. That does not change. : Have the largest catchment area of any county. : Have a young, vital and ambitious Chief Executive. : Have a consistent performing side in Division 1. Somerset are using their ECB £1m to transform the Taunton ground into a category B status which allows them to hold international matches. Their aim is to compete with Glamorgan for the West country's most prestigious cricket venue. Since Guy Lavender joined the club in 2011, it is no surprise that Somerset's fortunes have improved with "consistency" being the club watchword. As Chairman Andy Nash said at the time of his appointment, "Guy is a very rare and special talent. We are very fortunate to have attracted him to Somerset." www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/30452405
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Post by jim on Dec 14, 2014 10:33:36 GMT
S&F Somerset are an excellent county but they do not depreciate their fixed assets. Indeed their auditors have once again qualified their accounts in this regard. At Sussex we depreciate our assets and this amounts to over £500k per annum. We will post an operating profit this year and our trading performance is very good. However the headline will be an overall loss due to our prudent accounting policies www.somersetcountycc.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Annual-Accounts.pdf
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Post by flashblade on Dec 14, 2014 10:45:16 GMT
S&F Somerset are an excellent county but they do not depreciate their fixed assets. Indeed their auditors have once again qualified their accounts in this regard. At Sussex we depreciate our assets and this amounts to over £500k per annum. We will post an operating profit this year and our trading performance is very good. However the headline will be an overall loss due to our prudent accounting policieswww.somersetcountycc.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Annual-Accounts.pdf Good point about depreciation, Jim. Does 'prudent' mean more prudent than normal accounting policies require, or just more prudent than Somerset?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2014 11:25:51 GMT
Never been too worried about depreciation, which is a paper exercise and isn't really part of the equation when calculating fair market value. And of course, there are several different methods of calculating depreciation, which reinforces the view that it is a somewhat artificial concept. Operating p/l and trading performance are what really matters.
Of course, one day the Herbal Life stand and the Boundary Rooms will wear out and will require replacing.But to beat ourselves up about that 40 years in advance of the event and to allow it turn a genuine operating profit into an on-paper loss is pretty masochistic, in my view (unless, of course, it brings tax advantages with it!!!)
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Dec 14, 2014 12:05:40 GMT
Jim, I must echo BMs view and ask why Sussex decided on 'depreciating their fixed assets' within the annual accounts when other counties, as you suggest, do not? Is this a fair reflection on the club's financial situation when most people only read the media headline stating either a profit or loss and rarely question whether 'depreciation' is a factor. So, in the spirit of Christmas quizzes, is it possible for the club treasurer to explain what the recent club accounts would have actually been 'without' depreciation included? Perhaps, then, Members can gain a far better view on how Sussex CCC are fairing financially. 2010: -£171,000 2011: -£124,000 2012: -£325,000 2013: -£630,000Meanwhile, below is a link explaining the recent ground developments at Taunton and the money spent. If depreciation had been included at a similar level to Sussex, one wonders how their recent accounts would have faired? It makes little sense that counties would detrimentally want to make their accounts appear far worse unless there are financial advantages eg. tax? As you state, "However the headline will be an overall loss due to our prudent accounting policies." www.somersetcountycc.co.uk/appeal-year/development/
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Post by coverpoint on Dec 14, 2014 16:19:43 GMT
Whatever you charge in terms of depreciation you should be setting aside cash to fund the future replacement of the Herbal Life and Boundary Rooms in 40 years time when they will need to be replaced. Are Somerset setting cash aside for their future replacement? If not they will be screwed as they have a lot of new stands that will require future replacement.
If you depreciate on a reducing balance basis the hit on the profit and loss will be more in early years whereas if you do it on a straight line basis it will be the same. However, the former option more reflects the actual depreciation in market value over time.
Somerset's accounts are fundamentally incorrect and materially misleading. If I were a shareholder of Somerset I would be ordering them to restate their accounts with depreciation in to avoid the accounts being qualified every year in respect of depreciation. The auditors should be resigning.
There are no tax advantages to Somerset's treatment of depreciation, which is only an accounting estimate, rather than an accounting policy.
I have no problem with Sussex including depreciation but stating the operating profit before depreciation.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2014 16:25:33 GMT
Since I assisted former Wisden editor Graeme Wright on his 2010 book about county cricket's finances and administration, Behind the Boundary - Cricket at a Crossroads, I've kept a close watch on these matters. I am sure Jim will correct my figures if I have got any of this wrong, but I think this is accurate:-
2013 was the only year when there was an operating loss , recorded as £65,000. But losses were announced as £630,000 after depreciation and amortization.
2012 there was an operating profit of £227,000.
2011 there was an operating profit of £279,000.
2010 there was an operating profit of £62,000.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2014 17:52:01 GMT
Whatever you charge in terms of depreciation you should be setting aside cash to fund the future replacement of the Herbal Life and Boundary Rooms in 40 years time when they will need to be replaced. Why would anyone in 2014 want to set aside cash to spend in 40 years time? Surely with interest rates over the last half dozen years running way behind inflation (and likely to stay that way for a long time to come), any pennies so 'prudently' stuffed in the piggy bank today are likely to be worth only a fraction of current values come 2055 when the needs arises for those pennies to be spent? Much more 'prudent' to spend the money on signing Mills and Shahzad and planning for the future by building a winning team, which will generate increased year-on-year revenue by attracting new members, more spectators and additional sponsors via success on the field! ps on edit: was the recent multi-million pound redevelopment of the Hove ground funded by cash set aside in the 1960s and 1970s for such purposes? Surely it was funded by the Spen Cama bequest?
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