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Post by lovelyboy on Oct 2, 2014 9:29:56 GMT
There is certainly a great deal of logic to that BM. Would be a real shame to lose Wellsy but like you say we need to find the money for these new seamers some how
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Post by jonboy on Oct 2, 2014 10:34:47 GMT
As I said though, there's no other obvious opener without moving Joyce from his favoured position. I'd really like to see Tredwell here, but not at the expense of Wells. Anyway if money is tight, wouldn't it be too much of a luxury to have both Tredwell and Zaidi competing for the same role?
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Post by hhsussex on Oct 2, 2014 11:16:34 GMT
Sort of thinking aloud here, but I wonder if Sussex are actually prepared to let Wells go? I'm sure it would be done with a heavy heart, but Robinsion has told us that the Prior situation is making it very difficult to balance the budget and we know we need to bring in one and possibly two bowlers (Mills and Tredwell?) So something has to give. And as we potentially now have ten basmen comepeting for six places (Nash/Wells/Joyce/Cachopa/Wright/Prior/Yardy/Hamilton-Brown/Machan/Finch), one of them is sadly surplus to requirements - and that one might be the chap who doesn't do white ball cricket and has a list A avge of 8 and a T20 avge of 3 ?Might it not also be the chap who averaged 20.38 in first-class games this year, and played 10 innings in the T20 without reaching 50? It's difficult to look at the impact that Cachopa has made on the team as a stroke-playing middle-order batsman without feeling a sense of "yes, that's what we needed all along".
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 11:22:33 GMT
Might it not also be the chap who averaged 20.38 in first-class games this year, and played 10 innings in the T20 without reaching 50? It's difficult to look at the impact that Cachopa has made on the team as a stroke-playing middle-order batsman without feeling a sense of "yes, that's what we needed all along". The problem is that he's not out of contract!
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Post by hhsussex on Oct 2, 2014 11:38:56 GMT
Might it not also be the chap who averaged 20.38 in first-class games this year, and played 10 innings in the T20 without reaching 50? It's difficult to look at the impact that Cachopa has made on the team as a stroke-playing middle-order batsman without feeling a sense of "yes, that's what we needed all along". The problem is that he's not out of contract! I'm sure that could be resolved if another county were to make him a decent offer, although it would probably be a Second Division county. Still, it would be somewhere away from the high life and temptations of the metropolis, which is what he said he wanted to avoid when he came back to Sussex. I wonder what the pizzahouses in Northampton are like?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2014 7:45:24 GMT
Unsurprisingly apart from Flower, it is Matt Prior who apparently bears the brunt of KP's rage in the infamous book:
"Prior shouldn’t be in that side because he’s a bad influence, a negative influence. He picks on players. He’s back-stabbing, he’s horrendous, he’s bad for the environment. He’s one bloke that quite a few have said: ‘Please can you tell the world what that guy’s like.’
It’s only Prior that I’d seriously have real issues with, because of how he was portrayed as a team man, the heart and soul of the dressing room, when he was getting up to the stuff he was getting up to. He wanted to start a media campaign to stop me getting the vice-captaincy. That’s what I took him up on in January when I got sacked. Is that seriously the heart and soul of the dressing room? This big team player?”
But nine or ten months on, it already seems yesterday's news, doesn't it? KP has gone , Prior has gone, Flower has gone, and next year's Ashes will be fought for by an almost completely different England team. It feels a bit like rehashing the Blair/Brown/Mandelson feuds when the present reality is Cameron/Clegg and we're only seven months away from the next general election.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2014 15:52:06 GMT
Oh dear. Matt Prior on Twitter: <Obvs sad to see the accusations against me this am and I WILL have my right of reply!>
I do hope that Sussex and the ECB will advise him to button it rather than to fan the flames.
Nobody cares, Matt. It's all old news. Just get on with the rehab and answer the accusations not with a tit-for-tat exchange of insults but by showing the world what a good team man/heart and soul of the dressing room you can be in a Sussex shirt next season.
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Post by imranswife1 on Oct 7, 2014 4:32:09 GMT
Boring ...................
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Post by jaws on Oct 16, 2014 8:37:39 GMT
Interesing how much better England played this summer once Prior was "dropped" and also makes me wonder why not one single England player past or present has stepped in and stuck up for Prior ?? Says a lot to me about the man. Do Sussex really want him back? Never done it for Sussex for several seasons now.
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Post by hhsussex on Oct 16, 2014 9:26:18 GMT
Interesing how much better England played this summer once Prior was "dropped" and also makes me wonder why not one single England player past or present has stepped in and stuck up for Prior ?? Says a lot to me about the man. Do Sussex really want him back? Never done it for Sussex for several seasons now. That's rather harsh. Yardy, Bresnan and Swann have all completely denounced the accusations. As far as Sussex performances go, do you recall Hove in April when he hit a 100 in the first game of the season to beat Middlesex? His appearances have necessarily been limited and chequered, particularly with theinjury problems in the past two years but it simply isn't true to say that he "never done it". Bresnan took to Twitter to say: 'I was in that TEAM meeting and @mattprior13 said nothing wrong. And only ever has the TEAMs best interests at heart. Undeserved criticism'.
Yardy, speaking on Sky Sports, said: “I’ve know Matt since the age of 13 and I’ve always seen him as a loyal, team man so I don’t agree with those comments.
“Matt wants the best for the team. No one can argue that in a dressing room things do get heated but you hope that everyone has the right intentions and I certainly know that is the case with Matt.
“I have played enough with Matt to vouch for the way he goes about things with both Sussex and England. He will voice his opinions and sometimes with that you get labelled but Matt is 100% a team man.
“I don’t think anyone would like to be labelled a bully. I have known Matt for years and years and I have never seen that side of him.”
“I expected it to be the biggest work of fiction since Jules Verne and that seems to have happened. The one thing I will say is that I immediately realised it was codswallop when I read the character assassination of Matt Prior,” Swann said.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2014 9:35:23 GMT
Troll alert! Possibly a 'friend' of 'sheffield park' ?
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Oct 16, 2014 12:58:07 GMT
jaws,
Welcome to the Forum.
Matt Prior was at Hove this week as he begins his tough and difficult rehabilitation process. For someone with a young family and a quality lifestyle, these next months ahead must fill him with dread. Will he actually recover from his serious achilles injury? In 8 months time could he be playing for England in the Ashes; or scoring runs for Sussex in the T20; or retired from cricket altogether?
It must be an anxious and uncertain time for him. As a Sussex supporter, one hopes for the second scenario.
His inconsistent form since his exploits against New Zealand may well have been exacerbated by injury. An injury which he nobly played through until the final humiliation of Lords. A question: Why didn't the England physios pick up on his problem earlier? or was Prior fully honest with his condition? Perhaps, he has a high pain threshold?
I find it surprising that given the seriousness of the injury, Prior could play cricket at all - let alone cycle hundreds of miles in South Africa during the early part of this year.
Even so, he now faces the greatest challenge of his sporting career. He has the full support of Mark Robinson and hopefully the club who may need to dip into the final Spen Cama £1m to keep him at Hove. For, it is unclear where the money will be found. It is unlikely Jordan was on a high salary before his central contract.
I am sure every Sussex supporter would like to see Prior blasting runs all over the park for the Club again. So, the very best of luck with your rehabilitation.
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Post by hhsussex on Oct 16, 2014 13:28:33 GMT
jaws, Welcome to the Forum. Matt Prior was at Hove this week as he begins his tough and difficult rehabilitation process. For someone with a young family and a quality lifestyle, these next months ahead must fill him with dread. Will he actually recover from his serious achilles injury? In 8 months time could he be playing for England in the Ashes; or scoring runs for Sussex in the T20; or retired from cricket altogether? It must be an anxious and uncertain time for him. As a Sussex supporter, one hopes for the second scenario. His inconsistent form since his exploits against New Zealand may well have been exacerbated by injury. An injury which he nobly played through until the final humiliation of Lords. A question: Why didn't the England physios pick up on his problem earlier? or was Prior fully honest with his condition? Perhaps, he has a high pain threshold? I find it surprising that given the seriousness of the injury, Prior could play cricket at all - let alone cycle hundreds of miles in South Africa during the early part of this year. Even so, he now faces the greatest challenge of his sporting career. He has the full support of Mark Robinson and hopefully the club who may need to dip into the final Spen Cama £1m to keep him at Hove. For, it is unclear where the money will be found. It is unlikely Jordan was on a high salary before his central contract. I am sure every Sussex supporter would like to see Prior blasting runs all over the park for the Club again. So, the very best of luck with your rehabilitation. s and f I think you raise some rather interesting points about Matt Prior's fitness and aspirations that really deserve to be answered before we make decisions about contracts, let alone dipping into reserve funds. Why didn't the England physios pick up on his problem earlier? or was Prior fully honest with his condition?
I think its entirely reasonable in the framework of central contracts that the original employer (Sussex) should be able to have full confidence in the medical staff employed by ECB to ensure that he's returned in the same condition, as near as possible, as when he left the Hove shop. It should also follow that the player has a responsibility to both parties to own up to unusual pains and strains - although in all walks of life there's a tendency not to want to admit to something that could halt or hinder one's career. ...surprising that given the seriousness of the injury, Prior could play cricket at all - let alone cycle hundreds of miles in South Africa during the early part of this year.
Good point, and when it was raised on another board I can remember saying that it might be that cycling pulls on the thigh muscles rather than on achilles, although from a perspective of overall fitness and the need to avoid undue strain the cycling does sound quite risky. I think that a bigger issue than whether he shipped out his bike to join him on tour or rented one locally is whether the physios were aware of how much hard cycling he was doing and whether they advised for or against it. Will he actually recover from his serious achilles injury? In 8 months time could he be playing for England in the Ashes;or scoring runs for Sussex in the T20; or retired from cricket altogether?
If Sussex are going to pay him even 1/4 of his England earnings we need to know that he is going to be fit from the word go, fit for all competitions in which we want him to play. He has given a lot to Sussex, he has been an inspirational figure, and I'm sure everyone wishes him well - but we shouldn't be thinking of paying out a 6 figure salary to someone who might turn out once or twice, limp around, and then make a tearful returement speech in August.
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Post by jim on Oct 16, 2014 15:00:19 GMT
Really good to see Graham Gooch speak up for MP in yesterdays D Tel.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Oct 16, 2014 17:08:03 GMT
hhs, Yep, I agree with your sentiment. The problem is, at this early stage, no-one knows including the physios what state Matt will be in come 6 months from now. As Flintoff discovered even the experts can be wrong having told him he would never play cricket again. Come June, all parties concerned should have a clearer picture. Let us hope it is a positive one. As to the Club paying him a salary meanwhile, that really is a tricky one. Allow him to use all the club facilities for his rehabilitation. Absolutely, but then what? Jim, Here is that article. It is interesting that while some commentators/players have agreed with KPs view on the seamer bullying and the poisonous dressing-room attitude, no-one has come out and agreed with KPs remarks about Prior. It appears deeply personal. www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/england/11161670/Graham-Gooch-Why-Kevin-Pietersen-is-wrong-about-Matt-Prior-Andy-Flower-and-a-bullying-culture.html
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