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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 8:24:27 GMT
KP supporters will suggest Root should be opening. Oh yes, let's just disrupt the team if it means we can accommodate the messiah. Seriously, who would dare move Root out of his current, highly successful position? You might suggest that KP will have to open if he's got to be shoe-horned into the side.It's a better idea than Trott! But I think Lyth has to be given a chance; he's 28 at the end of the season so it's now or never. England surely have to start to find out about him in the third Test in Barbados? Wouldn't bank on it, though...
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Post by hhsussex on Apr 26, 2015 8:28:33 GMT
Oh yes, let's just disrupt the team if it means we can accommodate the messiah. Seriously, who would dare move Root out of his current, highly successful position? You might suggest that KP will have to open if he's got to be shoe-horned into the side.It's a better idea than Trott! But I think Lyth has to be given a chance; he's 28 at the end of the season so it's now or never. England surely have to start to find out about him in the third Test in Barbados? Wouldn't bank on it, though... I'd like to hope so, too. Even if they explain it away as "Keeping Trott fresh for New Zealand/The Ashes". But the reality is Trott will play and will flop again and perhaps have to have time away from county cricket because of the experience.
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Post by flashblade on Apr 26, 2015 9:03:29 GMT
It's a better idea than Trott! But I think Lyth has to be given a chance; he's 28 at the end of the season so it's now or never. England surely have to start to find out about him in the third Test in Barbados? Wouldn't bank on it, though... I'd like to hope so, too. Even if they explain it away as "Keeping Trott fresh for New Zealand/The Ashes". But the reality is Trott will play and will flop again and perhaps have to have time away from county cricket because of the experience. I fear you're right - but hope you're wrong, HHS.
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Post by fraudster on Apr 26, 2015 14:12:07 GMT
A decent win against a piss-poor side in a country that's trying to kill Test cricket. It should be 2-0. They're idiots for bringing back Trott who for one, isn't an opener. There's one or two even bigger reasons as well. Lyth, Stoneman, Hales and even Robson or Compton should be ahead of Trott right now.
Anyway, enough Trott bashing. Apparently Cook didn't think Anderson had a spritely run out and two catches in him. What's he been watching for the last ten years?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 15:57:04 GMT
And where exactly is KP supposed to bat? Perhaps his supporters can answer that? He is yesterdays news. Unfortunately for KP, there are no middle order slots up for grabs. And that is probably the best way to achieve closure on this whole sorry saga. Some might think Lord Graves only made his initial public 'invitation' to KP, as a means of galvanising the existing encumbents. And Alex Hales has surely jumped ahead of KP as the next cab off the rank. Another century today v Hants and he now has 511 f/c runs for the season. And it's only April 26, which gives him another 35 days to score a further 489 for 1000 runs before the end of May. His decision to pull out of the IPL may have been a smarter move than Kev's...
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Post by mrsdoyle on Apr 26, 2015 17:41:25 GMT
Please let's never again say Root to open, he was doing fine last time until the Yorkshire press contingent said he was an opener which was one of many reasons why we imploded. Leave the poor man be, he's not exactly struggling in his present position.
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Post by coverpoint on Apr 26, 2015 18:31:23 GMT
Unfortunately for KP, there are no middle order slots up for grabs. And that is probably the best way to achieve closure on this whole sorry saga. Some might think Lord Graves only made his initial public 'invitation' to KP, as a means of galvanising the existing encumbents. And Alex Hales has surely jumped ahead of KP as the next cab off the rank. Another century today v Hants and he now has 511 f/c runs for the season. And it's only April 26, which gives him another 35 days to score a further 489 for 1000 runs before the end of May. His decision to pull out of the IPL may have been a smarter move than Kev's... I agree Borderman. If any batsman in county cricket deserves an England call on current form it's Alex Hales.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 18:54:59 GMT
Peter Moores adding dishonesty to incompetence over his refusal to release Rashid back to Yorkshire : "Adil has worked hard to get his chance in the squad. I really feel that by keeping him here he's got a chance of playing in Barbados."
The only chance he's got is no chance. Or may be if Moeen, Ali and Tredwell all get bubonic plague on the eve of the match.
He didn't say Lyth has a chance of playing. Indeed he appeared to rule it out when he claimed against all the evidence to the contrary that Cook and Trott are "a really good partnership".
Sounds like he intends them to be the openng pair against Australia, come hell or high water (and if he's still in a job). So perhaps Yorks should ask if they can have Lyth back early?
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Post by hhsussex on May 1, 2015 6:58:51 GMT
Getting the strong impression that this forum's favourite cricketing journalist has been, shall we say, successfully acclimatised into the ECB culture. www.espncricinfo.com/west-indies-v-england-2015/content/story/868753.htmlHow else to explain glittering pearls such as "England have now embraced a continuity of selection policy that has allowed players more opportunity to settle into the team and created a more stable environment" and the related quote from Gary Ballance that "everyone is focused on trying to win the game; not how they stay in the side". That seems to echo Cook's latest refusal to consider anyone but Trott opening and his lack of inventiveness in persisting with 4 medium-fast right armers and an offspinner on these supine wickets. "The normal inclination is to go with the same team because you like to give people the confidence that they are not always playing for their place"
There's an even better piece of jaw-dropping sycophancy later in the piece, though. This really has to be shown in full to savour it's magnificent, cyncial hypocrisy: "There may be a downside to continuity. It can prevent the progression of new players and it could create complacency among the well-established. But with a critical press pack and ever-vigilant social media, it seems unlikely any modern player could really be allowed to coast."
So where is this critical press-pack ,unless the "press-pack" is a reference to an assembly of exclusive interviews/dressing-room hints direct from the laptop of Moores/contacts with even more drooling celebrity sports lickspittles, and has GD actually noticed that the ever-vigilant social media has no interest whatsoever in this dreary series enacted for the benefit of a few tourists and hangers-on? How unlikely is it that Trott has coasted through this series and will probably coast on until he reaches Antarctica unless there is managerial intervention? Wonderful that he thinks Adam Lyth's chance (" if it comes") will be for a series or more, and that Adil Rashid has benefited " from bowling at international batsmen every day". I wonder if he would have benefited more if he had been rewarded, as were players given the sole role years ago, by placing a sovereign on the stumps by the patrician members of the more stable environment? Meanwhile in this disruptive and changeable environment back home we've has some superb examples of players excelling by playing for their place: Robinson, Machan and Shahzad here in Sussex, Daniel Lawrence at Essex, Rushworth at Durham, Nick Gubbins at Middlesex, and many others. The most vital and contested start to a Championship season for years has brought the very best out of players untouched by complacency and the feeling that they just want to play Mr Nice Guy and keep their mates on board for another few rides on the old gravy train.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2015 7:17:16 GMT
Well said. But it won't last. All this "golden years, gilded youth, England have won four of their last five Tests, crisis what crisis" malarkey will shortly be blown out of the water by Brendan McCullum's bully boys and Michael Clarke's thugs.
I particularly enjoyed the gushing about the "engaging innocence" that this side apparently "has at its core". Who does he mean? Can't be the old lags Cook, Trott, Bell, Anderson and Broad. Perhaps he's refering to Ben Stokes, although I suspect even Ben's mum would be surprised at such a description of her street-fighting lad!
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2015 14:16:43 GMT
How many ducks does Trott have to score before he is dropped? That's three in five innings now. And what a terrible, terrible shot.
Never should have been brought back and Moores and the selectors deserve sacking for that decision alone. Everybody but them and Dobell knew it was never going to work. Certainly everyone on this forum knew it was a bad idea.
And what an utter waste of Adam Lyth's promise. No game on the entire tour when we should have been finding out what he can do ahead of NZ and the Ashes. Instead he's now going to be thrown straight in at the deep end v Boult and Southee and then Starc and Johnson.
Stupid, stupid decision. Irresponsible ,too, because it would be no surprise if Trott's mental health problems return as a result of the unecessary pressure he's been put under in the Caribbean and he won't now be in a fit mental state even to play county cricket this season.
Crackers. But above all it's the lack of duty of care shown by Moores and the selectors to the poor bloke that has been so wrong.
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Post by hhsussex on May 1, 2015 14:16:53 GMT
Good job Trott wasn't under any pressure to play for his place and that he's feeling so relaxed and part of a new emerging side, with engaging innocence etc etc etc
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Post by hhsussex on May 1, 2015 14:20:56 GMT
How many ducks does Trott have to score before he is dropped? That's three in five innings now. And what a terrible, terrible shot. Never should have been brought back and Moores and the selectors deserve sacking for that decision alone. Everybody but them and Dobell knew it was never going to work. Certainly everyone on this forum knew it was a bad idea. And what an utter waste of Adam Lyth's promise. No game on the entire tour when we should have been finding out what he can do ahead of NZ and the Ashes. Instead he's now going to be thrown straight in at the deep end v Boult and Southee and then Starc and Johnson. Stupid, stupid decision. I rresponsible ,too, because it would be no surprise if Trott's mental health problems return as a result of the unecessary pressure he's been put under in the Caribbean and he won't now be in a fit mental state even to play county cricket this season.
Crackers. But above all it's the lack of duty of care shown by Moores and the selectors to the poor bloke that has been so wrong. I agree. On another forum there has been a good argument put forward that it should not have been up to Trott to determine when he was "fit" to resume Test cricket; it should have been the responsibility of the ECB medical advisers - there must be about 150 of them - to say whether he was equipped to deal with the stress of playing fast bowling and if he had the necessary concentration to deal with it, in much the same way as a Rugby player suffering from concussion would not be considered for selection unless a doctor had examined him thoroughly.
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Post by mrsdoyle on May 1, 2015 15:38:29 GMT
Agree with all of the above re Trott, sort of wanted him to get out early on so we can put this all to bed, rather than have the experiment extended to NZ and heaven forbid the Aussies. I just dont think he's well enough and it's sad. On another note I suspect the powers that be at Yorkshire are as mad as hell re the selections for this test. That county has produced some fine players for England lately, I cannot see the sense in winding them up like this. Surely, you need the counties on side?
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Post by hhsussex on May 1, 2015 16:49:54 GMT
Some interesting tweets from the usually well-informed Nick Hoult:
Suspect Whitaker will carry can for Trott selection. Clinging on to his job before this tour
Mind you, not sure it is his fault
Although word is Whitaker wanted Lyth but sense he is the likeliest scapegoat
So the implication is that the rest of the Tour selection committee - principally Moores backed up by Cook - overruled him and ignored his selection committee's recommendations for the tour party by insisting on the "continuity" programme for Trott and against any experimentation with the bowling. In which case what was the point of Whitaker's Tour Selection committee and it's mass-reward for Yorkies programme if it wasn't going to be listened to?
This seems to be another area where boundaries have become so eroded as to be meaningless. Any serious overhaul of the system that introduces a Director of Cricket must be clear about not only the responsibility for selection but then the wider responsibilities for applying that squad selection to the tactical game-by-game implementation. If a Coach is part of the selection process then he must accept the broad strategy of that process and introduce players according to the consensus and not according to his own preferences, unless there is a very sound tactical reason, such as finding that the pitches are unsuited to a particular type of bowling, or that a key player has become unfit.
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