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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2015 17:15:12 GMT
Some interesting tweets from the usually well-informed Nick Hoult: Suspect Whitaker will carry can for Trott selection. Shouldn't George Dobell carry the can?  Seriously, all those responsible will be desperately deep briefing people like Nick Hoult that it was somebody else's decision. Just as when Downton was sacked, the powers-that-be were briefing that his appointment was all down to the now conveniently sidelined Giles Clarke and nobody else still in any position of authority at the ECB had anything to do with it... English cricket's politicians make the scoundrels we're voting for next Thursday seem like an honest and trustworthy bunch in comparison.... |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2015 17:31:25 GMT
And an anguished Dobbers has now tweeted through gritted teeth in reply to criticism of the Trott recall from other journos : <It was a gamble - as all selections are, up to a point - that hasn't worked.>
Funny. I seem to remember him campaigning endlessly that it was a "no brainer" and that it would defy all logic not to recall "England's best batsman". I don't remember the word "gamble" coming into the cheerleading before today. And even now, every other batsman selected for the tour from Ballance to Root, was also apparently a gamble "up to a point".
I suppose Lyth wasn't a gamble but just a patsy to make up the numbers, as there was clearly never any intention of picking him ahead of Trott, who now holds an unwelcome record: he's the only England player ever to make three ducks in a three match series. No doubt we'll soon be hearing the excuse that he's not an opener and he should be given another chance because he's batting out of position.
By the way, Sussex has a connection on both sides in this Test. Jordan , obviously in the England side. But new opening bat Shai Hope in the Windies side was at St Bede's where he was coached by Alan Wells.
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Post by hhsussex on May 1, 2015 18:07:59 GMT
And an anguished Dobbers has now tweeted through gritted teeth in reply to criticism of the Trott recall from other journos : <It was a gamble - as all selections are, up to a point - that hasn't worked.> Funny. I seem to remember him campaigning endlessly that it was a "no brainer" and that it would defy all logic not to recall "England's best batsman". I don't remember the word "gamble" coming into the cheerleading before today. And even now, every other batsman selected for the tour from Ballance to Root, was also apparently a gamble "up to a point". I suppose Lyth wasn't a gamble but just a patsy to make up the numbers, as there was clearly never any intention of picking him ahead of Trott, who now holds an unwelcome record: he's the only England player ever to make three ducks in a three match series. No doubt we'll soon be hearing the excuse that he's not an opener and he should be given another chance because he's batting out of position. By the way, Sussex has a connection on both sides in this Test. Jordan , obviously in the England side. But new opening bat Shai Hope in the Windies side was at St Bede's where he was coached by Alan Wells.Just for clarification, and because the back story is fun, Bede's is in Sussex, in Upper Dicker, and the senior school is comparatively recent, established in 1979. St Bede's is a very worthy comprehensive in Redhill, Surrey. The grounds in which Bede's is established is the estate of Horatio Bottomley, the notorious swindler, MP and founder of the Financial Times. The local railway station, Berwick, was only established by Act of Parliament after Bottomley used his influence. The school website is, in Michelin parlance, well worth a visit.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2015 18:20:50 GMT
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Post by mrsdoyle on May 1, 2015 22:05:19 GMT
Well done Cook, pleased for the man, think he was moved to tears which was quite sweet.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on May 2, 2015 7:45:22 GMT
Great day for Cook - a sad one for Trott. If Trott had scored a century like Cook everyone would have been patting the selectors and pro-journos on the back. But that's risk-taking for you. No surprise Mr Boycott is vocal about the Trott decision to make him an opener. Why did the selectors take two gambles when only one was required? Boycott says with his razor-sharp critical precision: "He is a tough cookie and he has had a terrific Test record. But it's a different ball game psychologically up front. It's not like being
down the order and you have plenty of runs on the board and the bowlers are tired. Every time you go in it's the new ball and you
have got fresh bowlers. It is nerve-wracking. He can't play like that against quick bowling. I would be frightened watching him when
Australia come [for the Ashes series this summer] with Mitchell Starc and Mitchell Johnson."www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/32558929 |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2015 8:05:00 GMT
Reading the press reports this morning, I could not find one commentator who does not believe that Trott's recall was utter folly, apart from the cricinfo correspondent who also seems to double as his press officer and orchestrated the campaign for his recall.
Mikle Selvey is particularly good in The Guardian and argues that Trott's failure is a relief for all concerned, not least the player himself as it spares him further misery - and perhaps even more serious concequences:
"In time, when Trott loses some of the hurt that he must inevitably feel, he may come to realise that Gabriel, in administering that dismissal in the manner that he did, has done him a kindness, his guardian archangel. For what may have happened in the future is too horrible to contemplate."
Contrast with this drivel on cricinfo, which appears to have been borrowed from Jonathan Livingston Seagull and filtered via the wartime speeches of Winston Churchill:
"As a cricketer this will be his lowest moment...But as a man? To suffer situational anxiety and still willingly enter that situation, to fear failure but go into a position where it was possible, to face fears, confront demons and take risks. There is something heroic in that. Maybe, just maybe, as a man, this has been his finest moment."
I am, for once, totally speechless!
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Post by hhsussex on May 2, 2015 8:56:35 GMT
Reading the press reports this morning, I could not find one commentator who does not believe that Trott's recall was utter folly, apart from the cricinfo correspondent who also seems to double as his press officer and orchestrated the campaign for his recall. Mikle Selvey is particularly good in The Guardian and argues that Trott's failure is a relief for all concerned, not least the player himself as it spares him further misery - and perhaps even more serious concequences:
"In time, when Trott loses some of the hurt that he must inevitably feel, he may come to realise that Gabriel, in administering that dismissal in the manner that he did, has done him a kindness, his guardian archangel. For what may have happened in the future is too horrible to contemplate."Contrast with this drivel on cricinfo, which appears to have been borrowed from Jonathan Livingston Seagull and filtered via the wartime speeches of Winston Churchill:
"As a cricketer this will be his lowest moment...But as a man? To suffer situational anxiety and still willingly enter that situation, to fear failure but go into a position where it was possible, to face fears, confront demons and take risks. There is something heroic in that. Maybe, just maybe, as a man, this has been his finest moment."
I am, for once, totally speechless!
My reaction too. "To boldly go", "To stare into that abyss", "To trip oneself up with mindless, pompous and hypocritical cliches" Go for it George, your public expects nothing less of you, for you have set the lowest standard! |
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Post by flashblade on May 2, 2015 9:18:20 GMT
Reading the press reports this morning, I could not find one commentator who does not believe that Trott's recall was utter folly, apart from the cricinfo correspondent who also seems to double as his press officer and orchestrated the campaign for his recall. Mikle Selvey is particularly good in The Guardian and argues that Trott's failure is a relief for all concerned, not least the player himself as it spares him further misery - and perhaps even more serious concequences:
"In time, when Trott loses some of the hurt that he must inevitably feel, he may come to realise that Gabriel, in administering that dismissal in the manner that he did, has done him a kindness, his guardian archangel. For what may have happened in the future is too horrible to contemplate."Contrast with this drivel on cricinfo, which appears to have been borrowed from Jonathan Livingston Seagull and filtered via the wartime speeches of Winston Churchill:
"As a cricketer this will be his lowest moment...But as a man? To suffer situational anxiety and still willingly enter that situation, to fear failure but go into a position where it was possible, to face fears, confront demons and take risks. There is something heroic in that. Maybe, just maybe, as a man, this has been his finest moment."
I am, for once, totally speechless!
My reaction too. "To boldly go", "To stare into that abyss", "To trip oneself up with mindless, pompous and hypocritical cliches" Go for it George, your public expects nothing less of you, for you have set the lowest standard! Wondering if you've been tainted by BM's vendetta against GB? I'm not here to support GB, but there's virtually no critical comment about any other cricket journos on this board, let alone the enthusiastic forensic analysis of GB's prose and opinions that I keep reading. I admire much of what you write, HHS, but you appear to be getting dragged into your friend's obsessive dislike of a fellow journo. |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2015 9:35:05 GMT
The names of Nick Hoult, Tom Collomosse and Steve Hollis have probably appeared on the board at least as often as Dobell's name in recent weeks.
If there is more praise than criticism of the first three it is because they are sensible and balanced reporters whom we have learnt to trust. Can you honestly say the same is true of the cliched hyperbole and blatant contradictions of the last named, fb?
Selvey is a high class writer, too, and the contrast between his sensible take on Trott quoted above with the emotional spasm on cricinfo is instructive.
The writings of Vaughan and Agnew and Pringle have come in for their fair share of oftern fierce criticism on here, too. But as hh says, Dobell really is in a class of his own as a peddler of utter tripe and pomposity!
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Post by flashblade on May 2, 2015 9:50:42 GMT
The names of Nick Hoult, Tom Collomosse and Steve Hollis have probably appeared on the board at least as mcuh as Dobell's name in recent weeks. If there is less criticism of the first three it is because they are sensible and balanced reporters whom we have learnt to trust. Can you honestly say the same is true of the cliched hyperbole and blatant contradictions of the third named, fb? The writings of Vaughan and Agnew and Pringle have come in for the fair share of oftern fierce criticism on here, too. But as hh says, Dobell really is in a class of his own as a peddler of utter tripe and pomposity! I hear what you say, BM, but you once declared that you had personal reasons for disliking GD. I can't remember what they were, but you could perhaps remind us? Your comments about him have become vitriolic of late - not merely critical. If he's such a useless journo, why not just ignore him? I know this MB is all about discussion and the sharing of opinions, but I think you're going a bit overboard. It's because I fear that your dislike of GB has origins in your past history, that I find it difficult to accept that your motives, and the comments themselves, are balanced and objective. Other MBs may not agree with me, but I thought it had to be said. Anyway, what exactly is this historical issue between you and Uncle George? Do tell. |
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Post by joe on May 2, 2015 11:56:39 GMT
Going slightly off topic here chaps!
I understand, and am interested in, the debate as to whether Trott should have been selected or not, but I'm not really interested in who likes which journalist, or not!
Start a new thread.
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Post by hhsussex on May 2, 2015 13:24:45 GMT
Going slightly off topic here chaps! I understand, and am interested in, the debate as to whether Trott should have been selected or not, but I'm not really interested in who likes which journalist, or not! Start a new thread. Agreed joe. I'll reply to flashblade by pm about the points he's raised. Meanwhile we have for the first time in this series a pitch that has a little more in it for the bowlers, and surprise, surprise, we have a match that now provides a little more interest than the inevitabilities of batsmen who can make runs making them, and batsmen who are out of form or misplaced not making runs. Looking forward to seeing how England go on from this point, and whether West Indies can do as well with the bat. |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2015 13:26:49 GMT
The names of Nick Hoult, Tom Collomosse and Steve Hollis have probably appeared on the board at least as mcuh as Dobell's name in recent weeks. If there is less criticism of the first three it is because they are sensible and balanced reporters whom we have learnt to trust. Can you honestly say the same is true of the cliched hyperbole and blatant contradictions of the third named, fb? The writings of Vaughan and Agnew and Pringle have come in for the fair share of oftern fierce criticism on here, too. But as hh says, Dobell really is in a class of his own as a peddler of utter tripe and pomposity! I hear what you say, BM, but you once declared that you had personal reasons for disliking GD. I can't remember what they were, but you could perhaps remind us? Your comments about him have become vitriolic of late - not merely critical. Not personal at all but professional - and actually started when I think hh rather than me caught him out peddling vicious rumours about Monty Panesar for which he could provide no evidence. When challenged to do so and reminded of the ethical code of journalists, he turned very obnoxious. But that's fine and not the point, which is that so much of what he writes is hyped-up drivel. And there is really nothing "vitriolic" about saying his pompous little homilies abuout Trott appear "to have been borrowed from Jonathan Livingston Seagull and filtered via the wartime speeches of Winston Churchill". It's perfectly fair literary criticism in my book. (Shameless plug: the latest of which, The Straight Ahead Guide To Bob Dylan, was published lasst month and is available for £14.99 via Amazon and all good bookshops, assuming there are any good bookshops left...) For vitriol about a fellow journo, look up the volleys of abuse Dobell fired at Michael Vaughan last year when MV accused Trott of doubletalk! |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2015 14:47:18 GMT
With Jerome Taylor finishing off the England innings in two balls, he's going to have a great chance of a hat-trick if his first ball in the second innings is againast Trott!
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