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Post by joe on May 2, 2015 19:23:08 GMT
Jimmy, Jimmy Jimmy Jimmy Anderson!
His first Caribbean 5fer.
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Post by joe on May 2, 2015 20:10:39 GMT
Trotts misery continues. I was always taught not to play across the line!
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Post by coverpoint on May 2, 2015 20:11:50 GMT
Haven't wasted the whole fing series playing Trott can we please now drop him FFS!
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2015 20:47:19 GMT
Haven't wasted the whole fing series playing Trott can we please now drop him FFS! Moore and Cook have now set Lyth up to fail: due to to the irresposnible decision to pick and stick with Trott and not blood England's next opener in the Caribbean, he has only an LVCC match for Yorks v Hants before he will walk out in his Test debut on May 21. He will have to face Boult and Southee having played just that one game in the eight weeks since he got a hundred in Abu Dhabi for Yorks v MCC. Fantastic planning, guys. I hope the Gravedigger buries the lot of you. Bell should be interred, too. Not because he got a pair in this match, but for reviewing an lbw that was hitting half-way up the middle stump. When you are on a pair, you probably clutch at any straw. But that was the stupidest, most brainless and selfish review since DRS was introduced in 2009. Compelling Test cricket, though. Already 16 wickets in the day. That would have supporters at a few bedwetting counties I can think of calling for pitch inspectors and the docking of points. Back in the real world, giving the bowlers something to work with - as at Chelmsford and Durham in the LVCC this season, for example, and in this Test match - is the way to create cricket at its most exciting and watchable. |
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Post by coverpoint on May 2, 2015 20:52:05 GMT
Compelling Test cricket, though. Already 16 wickets in the day. That would have supporters at a few bedwetting counties I can think of calling for pitch inspectors and the docking of points. Back in the real world, giving the bowlers something to work with - as at Chelmsford and Durham in the LVCC this season, for example, and in this Test match - is the way to create cricket at its most exciting and watchable. The only way Essex can win matches these days is by doctoring the wicket. |
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Post by coverpoint on May 2, 2015 21:10:51 GMT
As one commentator once said on the previous messageboard, I can piss for longer than he can bat (I have to laugh as next time Cottey went on to score 188)! On this occasion it applies to the whole England batting line up! 39-5 is extremely poor. We are going to get thrashed by Australia and New Zealand. If we can't beat this load of rubbish our players deserve to get shot!
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Post by hhsussex on May 2, 2015 21:22:35 GMT
Haven't wasted the whole fing series playing Trott can we please now drop him FFS! Moore and Cook have now set Lyth up to fail: due to to the irresposnible decision to pick and stick with Trott and not blood England's next opener in the Caribbean, he has only an LVCC match for Yorks v Hants before he will walk out in his Test debut on May 21. He will have to face Boult and Southee having played just that one game in the eight weeks since he got a hundred in Abu Dhabi for Yorks v MCC. Fantastic planning, guys. I hope the Gravedigger buries the lot of you. Bell should be interred, too. Not because he got a pair in this match, but for reviewing an lbw that was hitting half-way up the middle stump. When you are on a pair, you probably clutch at any straw. But that was the stupidest, most brainless and selfish review since DRS was introduced in 2009. Compelling Test cricket, though. Already 16 wickets in the day. That would have supporters at a few bedwetting counties I can think of calling for pitch inspectors and the docking of points. Back in the real world, giving the bowlers something to work with - as at Chelmsford and Durham in the LVCC this season, for example, and in this Test match - is the way to create cricket at its most exciting and watchable. Its certainly a lot more fun than innings of 500 for odd declared, followed by 600 for odder, and 122-0 at the close, which inflate batsmen's averages and set them up for failures when they do play on a more taxing wicket. What it does to bowlers is even worse: negative bowling outside off-stump to avoid being hit, giving away legside wides in attempting to bowl yorkers on deadly slow pitches and straying to avoid the full toss. These are some of the evils of the game now, and the near-disappearance of spinners is another symptom of the problem, as they are only really trusted to bowl 4 overs with everyone out on the ring and a miracle ball expected from every delivery. This isn't the true but sporting pitch it seemed at first, and its going to get much worse as the game winds up, probably somewghere around tomorrow night but it has doen a great service in showing up both the bowler's side of the story, and simultaneously how ill-equipped many Test match bowlers are to take advanatge of an attacking pitch. As for the batsmen........ 10 overs still to get through to the close, and if no more mortal blows are received by England tonight, then the pre-lunch session will determine the result. I'd quite like it to be West Indies, but only if they promise to match shots played to the deliveries received. On update: Ali just gone and England need at least 50 runs to feel comfortable that a Blackwood or Brathwaite blitz wouldn't carry the game away from them., despite falling wickets at the other end. |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2015 22:01:51 GMT
One of the most engrossing day's cricket I can recall in a long time.
18 wkts in a day makes for great entertainment - unless you've got tkts for days four and five, of course!
The West Indies quicks bowled brilliantly today, both in the first and last sessions. And Permaul, who was horrendous in the first innings, bowled like an absolute demon tonight; no idea how Ballance is still there and it isn't six down, because Permaul completely bamboozled him.
One final thought: when Lyth replaces Trott in the next Test, England will have five left-handers in the top seven. Assuming Moeen keeps his place, that is. I'm still far from convinced by him; his half century in the first innings was only his second innings of over 50 in his nine tests and his batting avge is only in the high 20s. I think that century in only his second Test v Sri Lanka led to people getting a bit carried away. He looks some way short of being a genuine Test batsman to me.
He bowled very poorly today on a helfpful pitch, too.
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Post by hhsussex on May 3, 2015 6:36:54 GMT
One of the most engrossing day's cricket I can recall in a long time. 18 wkts in a day makes for great entertainment - unless you've got tkts for days four and five, of course! The West Indies quicks bowled brilliantly today, both in the first and last sessions. And Permaul, who was horrendous in the first innings, bowled like an absolute demon tonight; no idea how Ballance is still there and it isn't six down, because Permaul completely bamboozled him. One final thought: when Lyth replaces Trott in the next Test, England will have five left-handers in the top seven. Assuming Moeen keeps his place, that is. I'm still far from convinced by him; his half century in the first innings was only his second innings of over 50 in his nine tests and his batting avge is only in the high 20s. I think that century in only his second Test v Sri Lanka led to people getting a bit carried away. He looks some way short of being a genuine Test batsman to me.
He bowled very poorly today on a helfpful pitch, too. Probably right, but it is interesting to look at the returns of two all-rounders who have played in 9 Tests and achieved early success that inspired hopes before revealing weaknesses: Ali 9 13 1 352 28.33 1 1 6. 223.2 32 772 27 28.59 1 0 Stokes 9 16 1 423 28.20 1 1 3. 263.4 40 955 24 39.79 1 0 Meanwhile Jordan after 8 games still strives after a 5 wicket innings and has made useful runs at Nos 8 and 9 without suggesting the likelihood of anything really big. His catching would be missed though. |
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Post by flashblade on May 3, 2015 7:11:02 GMT
Going slightly off topic here chaps! I understand, and am interested in, the debate as to whether Trott should have been selected or not, but I'm not really interested in who likes which journalist, or not!Start a new thread. Agreed, Joe - nor am I. That's why I think we should stop discussing Dobell. I think the subject has been flogged to death - but only metaphorically, I'm afraid, BM! |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2015 8:26:22 GMT
Dobell has penned a very sensible argument against flat pitches today. When he's not getting axe-grindingly personal or mawkishly sentimental - whether it's banging the drum for Trott's recall or calling for "over the hill" Anderson to be dropped - he is capable of writing an objective piece. What a shame that we're not allowed to mention it!  www.espncricinfo.com/west-indies-v-england-2015/content/story/869773.html |
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Post by coverpoint on May 3, 2015 15:48:26 GMT
Why is Buttler batting at 8?
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Post by hhsussex on May 3, 2015 17:40:47 GMT
It's all Jordan. Graham Swann describes him as a wonderful catcher with a poor technique, but we'd be lost without him.
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Post by coverpoint on May 3, 2015 19:56:55 GMT
Sacked in the morning, oh he'll be sacked in the morning, sacked in the morning, oh he'll be sacked in the morning!
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2015 21:12:53 GMT
Very compassionate of Stuart Broad not to leave Trott with the unwelcome record of being the only England player ever to have scored three ducks in a three match series!
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