|
|
Post by hhsussex on Apr 30, 2015 12:00:11 GMT
God dammit they really aren't Worcs, can't believe I was right. I thought we didn't have enough, that second innings collapse did for us I think. What is the "home roller advantage"? According to what I've read, the batting side chooses if and when to roll. Presumably we did it before our second innings, right? Sussex opted not to use the heavy roller before their 2nd innings as with Durham expected to us it after before their 2nd dig Joyce was concerned it would flatten the pitch out completely and make chasing down any total easy. Fine balancing act I suppose That makes sense Steve, and thanks for the information.  |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2015 12:44:55 GMT
One also now begins to understand how Sussex lost six wkts in 13 overs against a ball that was 60 overs old. It wasn't reverse swing; it was because the pitch hadn't been rolled!
As Steve Hollis says a fine balancing act. If we'd rolled the pitch, we might have set them 350, which they might not have been able to chase. Or...it could have gone the way it did!
As a layman, though, I'd ask if 7.5 mins rolling mid-afternoon on day two before Sussex's second innings was really likely to "flatten the pitch out completely" for day four? I'm not a qualfied groundsman so I don't know the answer. But it seems a little hard to believe.
|
|
|
|
Post by fraudster on Apr 30, 2015 20:38:14 GMT
Sussex opted not to use the heavy roller before their 2nd innings as with Durham expected to us it after before their 2nd dig Joyce was concerned it would flatten the pitch out completely and make chasing down any total easy. Fine balancing act I suppose That makes sense Steve, and thanks for the information. Not to me it doesn't, and neither does Jon or S&F's comments about home roller advantage. There is no home roller advantage. What if we'd have won the toss and went in with the same game plan? What would Durham have done with their 'home roller advantage' then? My guess is that they would have pinned a lot on scoring more in their first innings than we could manage, on a deteriorating pitch by the time we got on it, then heavy rolled it and hopefully bat us out the game and put us under scoreboard pressure on the final day, on what would be a decent batting track thanks to some big arse roller, despite it being the last day. If the roles were reversed exactly after first innings I think they would have been fools not to use the heavy roller before their second innings - essentially, the scores are even, we'll bat on a track that ain't been rolled and you bat on one that has and we'll see who wins. Talk about maximising your chances of losing. We got that badly wrong I think. Draw would have been nice enough. First time I've heard anyone bring up a roller as home advantage. The toss on the other hand... Edit: Or an advantage, rather. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 1, 2015 6:37:08 GMT
Can't diasgree too much with that, fraudster.
As you point out, scores to all intent were level at the half way stage, so think of the second half of the game as a single innings match. Sussex chose to bat on an unrolled pitch, while Durham batted on a rolled pitch.
Perhaps I am missing all kinds of subtleties and nuances, but to me that does rather look like a self-imposed handicap rather than home roller advantage.
I wonder if pro sportsmen - and I'm talking in general, not just about county cricket captains and coaches - can sometimes over-think and try to be too clever in their double-guessing of a game that is possibly more simple and straightforward than they allow ?
|
|
