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Post by hhsussex on May 21, 2015 19:12:22 GMT
Moses, Sakande and Whittingham
Cammish, Garton and Salt
You obviously study young players much more closely than most of us do. Which do you think is best suited to a professional career?
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Post by coverpoint on May 21, 2015 19:40:38 GMT
Moses, Sakande and Whittingham
Cammish, Garton and Salt
You obviously study young players much more closely than most of us do. Which do you think is best suited to a professional career? If I could only pick three out of those I would opt for Cammish, Garton and Salt. All three showed a big improvement last season and could make it as a professional. Moses, Whittingham and Sakande have had 2/3 years to stake their claim for a contract and for whatever reason have failed to show any real sign of improvement. |
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Post by hhsussex on May 21, 2015 20:10:28 GMT
Moses, Sakande and Whittingham
Cammish, Garton and Salt
You obviously study young players much more closely than most of us do. Which do you think is best suited to a professional career? If I could only pick three out of those I would opt for Cammish, Garton and Salt. All three showed a big improvement last season and could make it as a professional. Moses, Whittingham and Sakande have had 2/3 years to stake their claim for a contract and for whatever reason have failed to show any real sign of improvement. So the point you first made "I am pleased to see Moses, Sakande and Whittingham playing for the seconds as a decision needs to be made at the end of the season as to whether to offer them contracts or release them" answers itself - they haven't shown any real signs of improvement in 2/3 years, and therefore there is no purpose in offering them contracts. I know that sounds brutal but the game is very tightly strung nowadays - either you make it or you don't. There isn't any room for the borderline player who could have a career in the professional game but then could also slot back in to the club game. This is one of the issues that confronts all cricket nowadays - what to do when the player ascending up the ladders of Under - XYZ cricket can't progress to the final rung? We need to do something to keep that interest in the game, perhaps at a different level than was hoped for, and provide enough of the spark and dynamism of that progressive framework to keep that talent alive to the benefit of its owner, and to the enjoyment and encouragement of the next generation to ascend. |
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Post by coverpoint on May 22, 2015 3:59:24 GMT
If I could only pick three out of those I would opt for Cammish, Garton and Salt. All three showed a big improvement last season and could make it as a professional. Moses, Whittingham and Sakande have had 2/3 years to stake their claim for a contract and for whatever reason have failed to show any real sign of improvement. So the point you first made "I am pleased to see Moses, Sakande and Whittingham playing for the seconds as a decision needs to be made at the end of the season as to whether to offer them contracts or release them" answers itself - they haven't shown any real signs of improvement in 2/3 years, and therefore there is no purpose in offering them contracts. I know that sounds brutal but the game is very tightly strung nowadays - either you make it or you don't. There isn't any room for the borderline player who could have a career in the professional game but then could also slot back in to the club game. This is one of the issues that confronts all cricket nowadays - what to do when the player ascending up the ladders of Under - XYZ cricket can't progress to the final rung? We need to do something to keep that interest in the game, perhaps at a different level than was hoped for, and provide enough of the spark and dynamism of that progressive framework to keep that talent alive to the benefit of its owner, and to the enjoyment and encouragement of the next generation to ascend. The Sussex coaches have been giving the three seam bowlers mixed messages. On the one hand they shown faith in them by continuing to pick them as Academy Plus Players but on the other hand don't think they are good enough to play for the seconds. If they are good enough for Academy Plus contracts they should be good enough to play for the seconds. If they aren't good enough to play for the seconds on a regular basis why are they on Academy Plus contracts? Sakande has played 26 2XI games in 5 years taking 39 wickets which isn't enough. However 5-19 in the first innings of this game and 5-45 in 2014 suggests there is something there but to date he hasn't performed on a consistent basis for the seconds but then he hasn't been selected on a consistent basis either. Grant has played 25 games in 3 years but none so far in 2015. Moses has played 12 2XI games in 4 years and Whittingham 3 games in 3 years. That's 66 games in 15 years. The time has come to either play them on a more regular basis or to release them. Personally I would keep only one of Grant, Moses, Sakande and Whittingham next year and that would be the player who I think has the best chance of making it. Cammish, Garton and Salt would be my other three Academy Plus players for 2016. I see Harry Finch scored 148* and Wells 73 for the seconds to pull off an unlikely four wicket win chasing a victory target of 422. |
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Post by hhsussex on May 22, 2015 6:20:13 GMT
Some good news from those actually playing for the Seconds: what looks like a remarkable result at Blackstone yesterday against Somerset, chasing down 420 to win. Finch top-scored with 148 not out, and Wells scored 73. Good to see Wells back in form and pressing for a First team place, and Finch too. Anyon bowled a few overs and took a wicket and Sakande took 5 in the fist innings, but none of the triallists got particularly memorable figures on what appears to be one of those wickets that played smoother as the match progressed. Looking at the scores it seems that J Overton, who scored 54 and took 5 wickets in the first innings, and Davey, must have been recalled to Taunton and their places taken by others, but that doesn't diminish the run-chase. cricketarchive.com/Archive/Scorecards/786/786331.html |
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Post by howardh on May 22, 2015 18:19:54 GMT
Some interesting thoughts along the way....
Abi Sakande is at Oxford University and presumably doing his "finals".
Stu Whittingham is at Loughborough and is doing the same.
They both get selected to play in a three-day game against Somerset 2nds.
Both give up three crucial days in their lives and both do well.
Combined figures for the two Somerset innings :
Abi 14.2 ov. 5 maidens 40 runs 5 wickets dismissing all 5 in the first innings (nos. 4,6,7,10 and 11)
Stu 16 ov. 5 maidens 36 runs 3 wickets dismissing 1 in the 1st and 2 in the 2nd (no.1 in the 1st and nos.2 and 3 in the 2nd)
So they achieved combined figures of 30.2 - 10 - 76 - 8
Given that in 129 overs we conceded 471 runs from the bat in taking 16 wickets, I would say that the two young fast bowlers had done all that could be asked of them in the circumstances.
Exciting times.
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Post by fraudster on May 22, 2015 22:27:57 GMT
Good points well made Howard but I see CP's point too - they really haven't played much, even considering other commitments. Late developers maybe? They're playing now, taking wickets now, so long may it continue. Choices can be made on them come September.
A cracking win, Finch da man.
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Post by coverpoint on May 23, 2015 10:09:53 GMT
Some interesting thoughts along the way.... Abi Sakande is at Oxford University and presumably doing his "finals". Stu Whittingham is at Loughborough and is doing the same. They both get selected to play in a three-day game against Somerset 2nds. Both give up three crucial days in their lives and both do well. Combined figures for the two Somerset innings : Abi 14.2 ov. 5 maidens 40 runs 5 wickets dismissing all 5 in the first innings (nos. 4,6,7,10 and 11) Stu 16 ov. 5 maidens 36 runs 3 wickets dismissing 1 in the 1st and 2 in the 2nd (no.1 in the 1st and nos.2 and 3 in the 2nd) So they achieved combined figures of 30.2 - 10 - 76 - 8 Given that in 129 overs we conceded 471 runs from the bat in taking 16 wickets, I would say that the two young fast bowlers had done all that could be asked of them in the circumstances. Exciting times. Presumably they have completed their exams now as University exams normally finish in the third week of May and therefore they should be available for the rest of the summer as they were for the previous two years in Whittingham's case and one year in Sakande's case. I believe Sakande is in the second year of three at Oxford. They would also have been available for selection after finishing their A levels. I would play them in every match or certainly as many matches as possible between now and the end of the season so a decision can be made as to whether or not to keep them. |
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Post by howardh on May 23, 2015 14:03:05 GMT
Think you are accurate again, Coverpoint, with regard to Abi Sakande, but I know that Stu has not finished all of his papers. Robbo must have seen something as Stu is gaining experience by fulfilling 12thers duties tomorrow.
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Post by fraudster on Jun 2, 2015 7:51:04 GMT
And in the squad for this game. Get them in. Whittingham and Sakande, and Garton a bit later, get 'em in. A Junior pro contract's much cheaper than a pro one, presumably, but we don't mind chucking them about to 30 year old journeymen - Get them in and give them a chance. Stop wasting wages on tried and tested flops and give these Sussex boys a go.
Ah, that takes me back. We have another good band of youth coming through according to my source, HP, so use it on your bread, or whatever.
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Post by coverpoint on Jun 3, 2015 5:28:56 GMT
And in the squad for this game. Get them in. Whittingham and Sakande, and Garton a bit later, get 'em in. A Junior pro contract's much cheaper than a pro one, presumably, but we don't mind chucking them about to 30 year old journeymen - Get them in and give them a chance. Stop wasting wages on tried and tested flops and give these Sussex boys a go. Ah, that takes me back. We have another good band of youth coming through according to my source, HP, so use it on your bread, or whatever. I would give Garton a contract as by taking 77 wickets at 22 and scoring 738 runs at 31 in age group cricket he has proven his worth over the last three seasons. If it is a choice between these three or Piolet and Liddle I would opt for these three as there is at least the potential they might get better. |
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Post by jonboy on Jun 3, 2015 5:43:46 GMT
There will be changes at the end of the season, that's for sure, with perhaps five or six of the squad likely to leave. We won't be able to find six ready made players, so there will be opportunities for youngsters, I'm certain.
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Post by joe on Jun 3, 2015 10:48:59 GMT
There will be changes at the end of the season, that's for sure, with perhaps five or six of the squad likely to leave. We won't be able to find six ready made players, so there will be opportunities for youngsters, I'm certain. Which 5 or 6 do you see going Jonboy? Priors' retirement is imminent. Who is out of contract at the end of the season? |
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Post by coverpoint on Jun 3, 2015 16:51:10 GMT
There will be changes at the end of the season, that's for sure, with perhaps five or six of the squad likely to leave. We won't be able to find six ready made players, so there will be opportunities for youngsters, I'm certain. Which 5 or 6 do you see going Jonboy? Priors' retirement is imminent. Who is out of contract at the end of the season? 2015 Anyon 2015 Beer 2015 Hudson-Prentice 2015 Jackson 2015 Liddle 2015 Machan 2015 Piolet 2015 Prior 2015 Robinson 2015 Yardy 2015 Zaidi I could see four being released in addition to Prior. We will struggle to find more than two or three players from other counties. |
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Post by jonboy on Jun 3, 2015 19:01:10 GMT
We could run with a leaner fitter squad. In addition to those you mention, we will probably have to re-negotiate a contract for Mills if he only intends to play T20. As things stand, our priorities are, a top notch overseas seam bowling all rounder, a spinner and probably another seasoned batsman. There should be enough budget freed up to recruit those three, and perhaps promote someone from the seconds. As of now, I would imagine we'd be looking at Salt following his good start to the season.
Hopefully, we can find a way of recruiting at least one of those before the summers out.
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