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Post by freddy838 on Jul 21, 2015 17:55:16 GMT
Not sure what openers will be available, which is why I'd hope Joyce could fill the role for a couple of years without the burden of captaincy and no other commitments.
Joyce, Wells, Machan, Nash, Wright*, Dawson, Brown+, Jordan, Shahzad/Maggofin, Robinson, Herath
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Post by coverpoint on Jul 21, 2015 17:57:19 GMT
Not sure what openers will be available, which is why I'd hope Joyce could fill the role for a couple of years without the burden of captaincy and no other commitments. Joyce, Wells, Machan, Nash, Wright*, Dawson, Brown+, Jordan, Shahzad/Maggofin, Robinson, Herath Is it the burden of captaincy or have his eye gone? Wasn't Adams about the same age when his eyes went? |
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Post by 2015t20everpresent on Jul 21, 2015 18:08:45 GMT
Its a shame for Horsham CC as I am sure they would have liked another County Championships days play tomorrow at their splendid ground. They now look forward to welcoming Lancashire on Sunday in the 50 over cup opener.
Hopefully the club can use the extra day to their advantage. Rest up and then get fired up for our huge t20 Blast game at the Oval. A win there will bring a huge shot in the arm and carry the whole club on a high going into the one day cup and perhaps going to Lords on 7th August County Champs.
I think Friday is kinda key to the 2015 season.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 19:01:37 GMT
Glad I didn't go to the Horsham horror show, but went to Tunbridge Wells to watch Kent improbably do to Essex what Notts did to Sussex (which shows you always can bounce back as inconsistent Kent followed all out at the Oval for 99 with 633-8 declared).
I guess Sept 1 -4 Worcs v Sussex at Worcester will probably determine who goes down with Hants.
Either way, something has to change.
Farbrace and Bayliss gave us New England. Peter Moores has generated New Notts.Jason Gillespie created New Yorkshire after they were in Div Two only three seasons ago. Ashley Giles has inspired New Lancs, as they bounce back from relegation by running away with Div Two.
Who will give us the New Sussex in the new post Prior/RHB/Yardy and possibly post Joyce era? I don't know. But the current regime has run its course and - as Mick Newell said when he had the good sense to invite Moores to help him rescue the sinking ship at Trent Bridge - it requires someone from outside the bunker with fresh ideas and a new approach.
Chris Adams? Peter Moores? Alan Wells? Matt Prior?
Meanwhile, forget about the CC (Sussex don't play red ball cricket for another 17 days) and, as everpresent says, get behind the beleaguered Mark Robinson and his wounded team at the Oval on Friday night.
Win and Sussex guarantee second place and a home q/f. But it's so tight that if Sussex lose they could crash out of the comp in sixth place.
Season defining moment coming up...
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Post by flashblade on Jul 21, 2015 19:17:53 GMT
Glad I didn't go to the Horsham horror show, but went to Tunbridge Wells to watch Kent improbably do to Essex what Notts did to Sussex (which shows you always can bounce back as inconsistent Kent followed all out at the Oval for 99 with 633-8 declared). I guess Sept 1 -4 Worcs v Sussex at Worcester will probably determine who goes down with Hants. Either way, something has to change. Farbrace and Bayliss gave us New England. Peter Moores has generated New Notts.Jason Gillespie created New Yorkshire after they were in Div Two only three seasons ago. Ashley Giles has inspired New Lancs, as they bounce back from relegation by running away with Div Two. Who will give us the New Sussex in the new post Prior/RHB/Yardy and possibly post Joyce era? I don't know. But the current regime has run its course and - as Mick Newell said when he had the good sense to invite Moores to help him rescue the sinking ship at Trent Bridge - it requires someone from outside the bunker with fresh ideas and a new approach.Chris Adams? Peter Moores? Alan Wells? Matt Prior? Meanwhile, forget about the CC (Sussex don't play red ball cricket for another 17 days) and, as everpresent says, get behind the beleaguered Mark Robinson and his wounded team at the Oval on Friday night. Win and Sussex guarantee second place and a home q/f. But it's so tight that if Sussex lose they could crash out of the comp in sixth place. Season defining moment coming up... Sussex just don't seem to get this. There has been a chronic amount of 'in-breeding' amongst the coaching staff over the last 15-20 years. However, I don't believe the board can be as blinkered as some would suggest - it wouldn't surprise me if the club has realised that it's all gone too far and that plans for change are afoot. . . |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jul 21, 2015 20:13:20 GMT
Bm,
Agree with your sentiment...
First thing this morning our Chairman had a long long chat with Mark Robinson. In the afternoon our Chairman had a
long long chat with Ed Joyce. Perhaps, it's wishful thinking, but something may be afoot but what that foot is, is anyone's
guess.
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Post by hhsussex on Jul 21, 2015 20:42:52 GMT
A few comments on the game as it developed:
Neither side were really first division material. Notts were inept in a different way from Sussex, benefiting from the toss and the ability of Taylor and Read to see what could be reaped from a splendid wicket once your opposition had rested it's key bowlers. When Notts bowled they relied almost entirely on Gurney, who was superb, and was the real England prospect in this team, and Keedy, who showed what a decent, unfashionable English county spinner can do. Their fielding was worse than Sussex, particularly in the second innings when two catches in the slips were shelled and the portly Taylor twice disdained from making an exhibition of himself by running, diving or otherwise exerting himself to take a catch from his very deep, almost hidden, position.
Joyce twice showed that whilst he has lost none of his ability to get in he has forgotten how to develop into a dominant role. The longer he batted the less he looked like his old self and started playing shots he never would against balls that were not up for hitting. That suggests not a loss of form but something more fundamental: timing and balance were all, and increasingly awry.
Matt Hobden might make a really good fast bowler still, but he can't keep going for more than three overs with his current run up and under the constant pressure to perform caused by injury to other bowlers he quickly reverts to overstepping, bowling wide and misjudging the length, It is a great pity for him that he has had to bowl all season, but perhaps it also shows that his confidence has been completely undermined.
Machan will be a very good bat when he learns to discriminate between the ball he would like to attack and the ball that is actually bowled at him. He is on the way up and will be a great striking force for years to come if he can find the right balance. At the moment he is as likely to surrender an advantage as to create one. In this match he surrendered first, then played the good innings in the wrong sequence.
In the early, mostly victorious games Sussex were notable in the field for the amount of audible, as well as visible enthusiasm. Players frequently chirruped and clapped the efforts of the bowlers, called on enthusiastically, urged each other on. A key figure in this was Shahzad. Now there is an air of sullenness even amonst newcomers like Ollie Robinson, going through the motions and waiting for their own turn to put a little more pressure on themselves. It seems obvious that this is a team that feels too keenly the difficulties they labour under, and as a result they turn the screw more tightly on themselves.
Finally, and to reiterate, Notts were not a new, more invigorated team: they really were second division material and despite the lovely setting and enthusiasm of the Horsham Sports Club, this wasn't much of a game. Sussex were poorer than a fairly average team who benefited from winning the toss, seeing off the early moisture, and having a batsman who played an innings very much like that of John Edrich against the New Zealanders in 1965. Taylor played and missed plentifully against Magoffin and Robinson and then scratchily put together an innings that fed upon the woeful bowling of the rest of the team. When they bowled Gurney was head and shoulders above the other bowlers and this afternoon he bowled a very long spell at high pace, troubling everyone. A caveat: I missed the post-tea session again today, but it seems the damage down earlier just took time to work through and sink the superstructure.
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Post by coverpoint on Jul 21, 2015 20:50:36 GMT
Machan will be a very good bat when he learns to discriminate between the ball he would like to attack and the ball that is actually bowled at him. He is on the way up and will be a great striking force for years to come if he can find the right balance. At the moment he is as likely to surrender an advantage as to create one. In this match he surrendered first, then played the good innings in the wrong sequence. Seems to benefit from batting with Joyce and coming in early when Wells is out for single figures. Scored a ton at Taunton when Wells fell early, did the same at Horsham and did the same albeit in the first innings earlier in the season against Worcestershire. That's five tons Machan has scored four of which I have missed. At least I did see his career best 192 last week. |
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Post by flashblade on Jul 22, 2015 7:31:35 GMT
Bm, Agree with your sentiment... First thing this morning our Chairman had a long long chat with Mark Robinson. In the afternoon our Chairman had a long long chat with Ed Joyce. Perhaps, it's wishful thinking, but something may be afoot but what that foot is, is anyone's guess. Maybe he also had a long chat with Peter Moores . . . |
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Post by philh on Jul 22, 2015 8:00:16 GMT
You can feel all parts of the team creaking at the moment. Before our eyes, we can see things get more and more stretched. As for the bowling, without Jordan and Shahzad, not to mention others, a huge burden is being placed on Magoffin and Robinson. Arguably, to win a game, they have to take 15 of the 20 wickets, which is a lot to ask even if the pitch is helpful. As for the batting, I don't know if I was alone yesterday, but as soon as the Machan/Wright partnership was broken, I didn't see us scoring more than 250 (I was wrong by all of 4 runs). And, as for the spin attack, Wells has performed valiantly, but he is not a top class spinner - and, as for the Dockrells and Burgoynes of this world, their combined effort of 0 for 270 says it all.
I don't know where the next win is coming from, but it needs to come fast. Simplistically, the only route to victory seems to be based on Machan and Wells scoring big and Magoffin taking a lot of wickets in one game. Maybe, they will all click in the same game. As for the returnees, let's hope Jordan returns soon - he is needed with bat as well as ball.
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Post by leedsgull on Jul 22, 2015 8:23:31 GMT
hh Your excellent report merely confirms what I have been thinking and witnessing all season. There has been a marked decline in the standard of division one cricket this season. It may be "competitive" but it is often dire to watch. Even Yorkshire are a shadow of the team that won last year yet are on course to win by a far more comprehensive points margin.
I have no idea why the standard has slipped so much but the fact that Bairstow is the only player seriously considered ready for the Test team speaks volumes.
It has been largely a dry summer, so you would imagine that batsman would prosper. Apart from old pros like Hildreth and in div 2 Prince that has not been the case. Where are the young hopefuls this year?
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Post by fraudster on Jul 22, 2015 18:25:06 GMT
Shocking load a s**t. Make Wright captain now, keep Joyce the ledge in, bring in Beer and pick a side that has more than three actual bowlers. Think I'd swap Nash and Joyce back round.
Nash
Wells
Machan
Joyce
Wright
Brown
H-P
Beer
Robinson
Mags
Hobden
In fairness, we really need at least one of Shahzad or CJ - both would make an amazing difference I think and given their batting capabilities, and Beer's, they would seriously open the door for this 'faith' in Beer to be nailed down. Regardless of that, on the evidence of what has gone before, just play him anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2015 20:46:51 GMT
Beer's T20 batting's shocking.
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Post by rsj on Jul 23, 2015 12:00:02 GMT
Nottinghamshire turned in their most complete performance of the County Championship season as they wrapped up a three-day victory over Sussex at Horsham.
The home side were bowled out for 213 in their first innings and then capitulated for 254, after being made to follow-on, as Notts secured 16 wickets in the day to complete victory by the huge margin of an innings and 103 runs.
Harry Gurney followed his first innings haul of five for 75 with three more wickets in the second innings to spearhead the bowling attack, after Nottinghamshire’s batsmen had set the game up with some terrific performances over the opening two days.
All in all, it was a delighted Mick Newell who gave his thoughts to the media.
“Over the course of the three days it’s been a very, very complete performance,” he said. “It was obviously a good toss to win, we piled up a big score and managed to put massive pressure on Sussex. We then managed to deliver with the ball and, for the most part, with our catching.”
Newell praised the performance of Gurney, who at times looked to be bowling very quickly.
“Harry bowled with some serious pace, which was very encouraging,” said the director of cricket. “His first spell was aggressive, left-arm quick bowling. Whether he goes over the wicket or around he has it in him but needs to do it on a consistent basis.”
Backing up Gurney were Luke Wood (4 wickets in the match), Brett Hutton (2 wickets), Samit Patel (one) and Gary Keedy, who returned figures of three for 45 and two for 62 on his first outing of the season.
“We’d prepared Gary for this game for a number of weeks,” said Newell. “He’s been playing in club cricket and played for the seconds at Taunton last week and he’s come in and taken five wickets in the match. I thought he put in a brilliant performance.
Gurney admitted he’d been able to hit his straps with the ball in this match. “I hit some rhythm this week,” he said. “It was quite a bouncy surface; one that if you bend your back you’ll get some response. I’ve really enjoyed bowling here.”
Keedy, now 40, hasn’t featured much over the last three seasons. A bit-part role at Surrey preceded his move to Trent Bridge. Last year he featured in three matches for Notts, all of them ending in defeats.
"It’s been great to be on the winning side again,” he confirmed. “I’ve not won a championship game since winning with Lancashire in 2011. It’s now 2015, so it’s a great feeling to be able to sit on the outfield and relax with the other players. There’s nothing like winning.”
Sussex began the day on 157 for four in their first innings, still 413 runs adrift of Nottinghamshire’s imposing tally.
Luke Wright and Craig Cachopa had stemmed the flow of wickets with an unbroken partnership of 34 on the second evening but they were separated four overs into the new day.
Cachopa hadn’t added to his overnight 13 when he shuffled into a full-pitched ball from Brett Hutton and was given out lbw by umpire Steve Gale.
Ben Brown had an early scare on his arrival in the middle, scrambling back for a second run and just beating the return from Samit Patel as Chris Read whipped off the bails.
It was only a temporary stay of execution. The Sussex 'keeper reached five and flicked a leg side ball from Gurney and Read did the rest.
Gurney’s record against Sussex is impressive. He took a hat-trick against them in 2012 and secured a five-wicket haul in the corresponding match at Trent Bridge earlier this season.
Another five-fer was secured shortly after Wright had reached a combative 50, which included ten boundaries. The former England international pushed hard at Gurney and the edge flew to second slip, where Steven Mullaney held a sharp catch.
Sussex lost their eighth wicket, with two runs still required for a batting point, as Ollie Robinson got a thin tickle behind from a Gary Keedy delivery.
Peter Burgoyne offered some defiance to get the hosts a batting point but he was then castled by Luke Wood for 13.
Keedy finished off the innings, as Matt Hobden presented Read with his fifth catch. There was still time for even more Nottinghamshire success before lunch.
Following-on, the home side lost Luke Wells in the opening over, a wicket maiden to Luke Wood, as the left-hander nicked to Mullaney at second slip.
In the heat of the early afternoon Ed Joyce and Matt Machan provided stubborn resistance to thwart Nottinghamshire’s victory charge. They put on 92 for the second wicket, although Joyce was spilled, on 31, off Gurney.
The bowler had his revenge, claiming his sixth wicket of the match to remove the Sussex skipper. Joyce (32) looked to turn the ball towards leg and was crestfallen as a leading edge flew, instead, to gully, where Alex Hales made no mistake.
Chris Nash (15) also had a life, again off Gurney – but couldn’t capitalise for long with Hutton getting his man, courtesy of an lbw decision.
He had reached his 50 from just 44 deliveries, with six fours and continued to press on, advancing to his third hundred of the summer shortly after tea.
His departure heralded the beginning of the end. Mullaney caught the centurion, off Gurney, for 103 and then two more wickets fell in quick succession.
Cachopa (4) played a rash shot at Samit Patel and Keedy judged the high-swirler well, moving around from square leg to pouch the catch.
Without further addition to the total, Brown (0) played Gurney off his legs but stood dismayed as James Taylor took a sharp reflex catch at short leg.
Luke Wright rattled along to make a run-a-ball score of 67 but his dismissal heralded the end, with Keedy having him caught behind.
Robinson was also caught by Read, clipping Wood down the leg side. Magoffin popped Keedy to Wessels at short leg and Burgoyne fell to Wood for the second time in the day.
The victory, Nottinghamshire’s first at Horsham in eight first class attempts, brought the side 24 points and some valuable breathing space above the sides towards the bottom, including Sussex who now drop into the bottom two.
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