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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2014 16:06:33 GMT
If Somerset get closer to a 100 lead it's going to take an even bigger ton by Joyce second time around to keep us in the game.
While one applauds the performances of two outstanding individual cricketers, what about the other nine? The Sussex team used to pride itself on being a well-oiled machine of cricketers who played for each other. But we no longer seem to bat or bowl as a unit and rely on just a couple of players.
I haven't had the commentary at all today ,until just now when I turned it on to hear the commentators describe a delivery from Will Beer that "almost bounced twice". What on earth is going on?
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Post by ketmandid on Jun 9, 2014 16:08:03 GMT
just to go a bit more, the Somerset commentators were hoping for one batting point and now they are looking at 5. It does sound that Overton has batted sensibly.
All I hope is that when we bat again, some time tomorrow, that we can put in a bit more of a performance. if it all goes pear shaped what options are there for the next game? Batting and bowling?
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jun 9, 2014 16:15:59 GMT
Sussex had Somerset on the ropes and like Frazier with Ali, it's turned around in the blink of an eye. The side must dig deep to get themselves out of this hole but are they capable of doing it? Are the match-fixing allegations affecting the players or is this surrender from such a position of strength, a negative trait of the side? This is not the first time the team have shown such little ruthlessness when their opposition are struggling. Or should we heap praise on Somerset for their character and resolve?
It is time for one of the top tier batters to step up to the plate in the second innings. ie. Nash who is now required to score his first 100 of the season. Joyce cannot score the runs single-handedly. It is the responsibility of the other senior batsmen to battle and regain the lost momentum.
PS: A personal view. If the Club are looking for a part-time spinner, I would focus on RHB. He has the 'X' factor when it's rediscovered through all his recent problems. I am not surprised he took the last two wickets after the other bowlers were floundering. As for Beer, while his later overs were better, the faith shown in him by Robbo was close to zero.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jun 9, 2014 16:28:46 GMT
lm,
This may seem strange but I don't view RHB as one of the senior players.
On reflection, this criticism of Sussex will be ridiculed by some, so I will heartily congratulate Somerset for turning the match on its head and taking a lead of 75 runs. They showed amazing character and will-power; are championship contenders and each player fights to their last breath. It is no surprise then their championship attendances are the largest of the non-TMGs whilst their Membership is steadily increasing. A county I would support if I lived West of Southampton.
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Post by ketmandid on Jun 9, 2014 16:37:35 GMT
Not the best start with Anyon opening the batting. I know he has done it before but it is not a good sign.
Nash has the habit of scoring 30 or 40 and then getting out, don't get me wrong I really like the nasher, I hope he can score bigger this time.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jun 9, 2014 16:39:00 GMT
One presumes Wells' injury precludes him from playing today. One hopes his back will be better by tomorrow. PS: Adrian Harms just read out an email from 'Jim' explaining how Anyon had opened for Sussex in a match against Glamorgan in 2010 as Nash had a migraine. I wonder if 'that Jim' is our own Chairman Jim May?
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jun 9, 2014 16:47:30 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2014 16:49:00 GMT
But what does the fact that Anyon opens in the absence of Wells say about the self-confidence of Machan and Hamilton-Brown, who in my opinion should have been fighting over the honour of opening the Sussex innings?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2014 16:56:34 GMT
Why do they need to wait to be asked - are they alpha male first-class professional batsmen or are they timid and shrinking violets?
Piolet can also open the batting. First time I saw him about eight years ago playing for Sussex seconds at Beckenham, he was an opening bat.
At a difficult time for the club, players need to stand up and be strong, rather than to go hiding.
But perhaps we have switched to plan b in which Hamilton-Brown is transformed into a front-line bowler and Anyon is reinvented as a front-line batsman?
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Post by ketmandid on Jun 9, 2014 17:30:22 GMT
But what does the fact that Anyon opens in the absence of Wells say about the self-confidence of Machan and Hamilton-Brown, who in my opinion should have been fighting over the honour of opening the Sussex innings? Maybe we can consider him a night-watchman??? Again, what does that say much for the other batsmen. Joyce could have opened.
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Post by hhsussex on Jun 9, 2014 17:42:49 GMT
So let's just take stock of this, shall we? Sussex entered this match after getting away with a draw from their last game, having wrongly backed a theory. Their previous completed game they had been surprisingly and comprehensively defeated by Somerset - again, having backed a theory. For this game they were deprived of one charismatic stroke-playing batsman and one superb strike bowler (Test match calls), one containing medium-pacer, whose ability to exact swing in helpful conditions might have been useful and one steady early-order batsman and safe catcher (injury), one left-arm spinner and, according to Mark Robinson, top-6 batsman (complete absence of form and achievement. Oh yes, and the club bears the taint of two of its overseas signings allegedly being complicit in a betting scam. All in all a great way to go into a game.
I do agree that this is the sort of time when players of character knuckle down and show their worth, and all those sort of statements, bu I can also see, and understand, that there's a sort of train-crash attitude that is likely to be present too. The kind of feeling that when one sees the last jagged rails over the edge of the ravine as the engine gathers speed on the downward slope and you crane out of the windows, and probably there must be a feeling of Oh to hell with all!
That Joyce and Magoffin should stand apart from this is not merely praise for their characters; its an indicator of just how far ahead their talent outstrips all the honest strivers and the flair players in the side. We'd like good old Nash to come good in these moments of crisis, a true and loyal player, a fine batsman, but this kind of circumstance shows that he is where he is: in the top rungs of the second-rate. In a similar way Wright, the hardest trier on the field, an occasionally brilliant strokemaker, a sometime partnership-breaker just hasn't got that extra little bit that puts him into genuine international ranking.
For the rest of them, there are talents in the making, talents that flatter to deceive, talents that perhaps have grown stale through underuse, and talents that had a brief flowering and perhaps will do so no more. I don't subscribe to all of the doom and gloom that has come through in comments on this game. I think that Sussex have the nucleus of quite a good side, but we need to find players, both at local level and by inspired acquisition from outside quite urgently this year if we are to continue to punch our weight - and for goodness sake forget all of this nonsense about punching above our weight because we can't and won't until we get another Mushtaq Ahmed with a Murray Goodwin enforcer and a single-minded ruthless captain.
What we have seems to be an excellent strokeplayer and thinking batsamn in Joyce, who seems to be too quick to fall in with accepted theories coming from within the coaching management about the style of team and their approach on certain wickets. That thinking was once innovative and fresh but has now become predictable, sterile and academic. We need to liven it up.
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Post by fraudster on Jun 9, 2014 18:16:00 GMT
A lot of negative Nellies on here tonight. I was expecting much worse when I got home from the Emu farm - like 350-5. But yeah, given where we were, given we only have two players performing and given we're making some bizarre decisions, like opening with Anyon, there's definite concern. What's new though? This season has followed a very similar road to last, which ended well.
Anyway, they all have a second innings to shine yet, if they ain't injured.
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Post by coverpoint on Jun 9, 2014 18:27:20 GMT
I hope Wells who went off are feeling something when bowling moments after taking the overhead catch of Meschede, Machan who went off feeling his ankle rolling over on the boundary and Beer who went off after a finger from trying to save a return on his bowling are all free of injury. Machan and Beer returned to the field afterwards and Beer bowled. Anyon opened the batitng because of Wells' injury as he did once before when Nash was injured although Piolet having opened for the seconds may have been a more obvious choice. The wicket eased considerbaly this afternoon and 250-5 by Somerset is testament to this. However, our worrying lack of depth in batting and bowling and our overdependece on Joyce and Magoffin in this game ia a major concern. I would like to see Joyce as a captain think quicker on his feet and be more readily prepared to chop and change the bowling like Yardy used to rather than letting things go through the motion. There is no reason why we cannot win the game if the weather forecast for tomorrow improves, as it is pretty awful for tomorrow, however in order to do this we will need a few of the other nine players in a Sussex shirt to turn up and perform!
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Post by hhsussex on Jun 9, 2014 19:41:42 GMT
Not quite the unkindest cut, but a hurtful incision, is George Dobell's review of the day's play for Cricinfo "It also speaks volumes for the Sussex support bowling which, in the absence of Chris Jordan and, to a lesser extent, Jon Lewis, appears inadequate. Beer was unable to sustain a good enough length and was punished severely, while Wright also bowled too short. Whatever his faults, Monty Panesar has proved hard to replace."
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2014 20:36:54 GMT
Not quite the unkindest cut, but a hurtful incision, is George Dobell's review of the day's play for Cricinfo "It also speaks volumes for the Sussex support bowling which, in the absence of Chris Jordan and, to a lesser extent, Jon Lewis, appears inadequate. Beer was unable to sustain a good enough length and was punished severely, while Wright also bowled too short. Whatever his faults, Monty Panesar has proved hard to replace."
Whatever his faults, George Dobell has proved he sometimes gets it right.But deeply ironic, given his past hounding of the player. He does love his tabloid hyperbole, though, doesn't he? At the end of last season he was comparing Ollie Rayner to Jim Laker. Now he's telling us Overton "evokes Botham". Oh dear. That should bugger the young man's career before it has even started!
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