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Post by coverpoint on Aug 24, 2015 20:59:56 GMT
CP, re Worcester, Replacing Zaidi with Liddle is almost like for like, Zaidi being a tad slower. Don't need a an extra batsman. What we need is someone who could get wickets, something different? Take a chance, try plan B? Play Beer. Wells hasn't got a wicket in the last 3 CC games? Hardly inspiring form from Joyce's go to spinner! Joyce has gushed over Rashid in the 2nd day report I read, so far 3-160? Surely no worse than Beer would have done for Sussex? So what is the difference? Both bowl at a similar pace from what I have seen of them both. Beer too slow for SCCC but Rashid is OK for Yorks & England? Work that out? Time for plan B? It's not too late, yet! Finally, Well done Joyce, about time you lead from the front, Well done Yardy and Brown. There is absolutely zero chance of Beer being selected at Worcester as he is never even in Joyce or Robinson thoughts when it comes to team selection for Worcester. |
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Post by coverpoint on Aug 24, 2015 21:01:59 GMT
An excellent response, and a thrill to get those maximum batting points, and also a strong vindication of Yardy's selection - which I thought to be defensive. Glad I was wrong, though I'd still have liked us to field a genuine spinner somewhere. Yesterday I thought the pitch was getting flatter and less responsive - though I know coverpoint thought it a spinner's wicket. The rate of scoring today off all bowlers - not least the mighty Rashid - suggests that Andy Mackay has prepared something closer to the c.2010 Hove wickets to encourage the batsmen. Anyone on the ground today who would like to share their observations? Meanwhile the weather forecast is still predicting a fair amount of rain tomorrow, though much less torrential and cataclysmic than previously advertised. There may even be some play, but it looks very likely that Sussex will come away with a draw and a total of 12 points, taking them to 122. There is a similar forecast for Taunton, where Worcestershire have one point currently and 113, so they are likely to end up with 118. That sets things up nicely for Tuesday 1st September at Worcester and a 44 pointer  Very nicely. Hants have got it tough in fixtures and scheduling - they have three tricky away games and a home fixture against the mightily good, but not that good, champianos. They have to play four games between 1st Sept and 25th Sept, mostly on the road, so could be difficult. Or maybe beneficial, who knows. Our position seems a touch stronger now thanks to 'home advantage' and a solid batting performance from some old heads. Hopefully Joyce has turned a corner and Yardy's experience and fight could prove very telling for the next few games. The Yardy pick might have been vindicated but the balance isn't, for me. I'm sure we'll go into the next game with the same balance but it's wrong I think. We need to fit another bowler in, a spinner, and keep four seamers. With Brown's form all season, Jordan's batting and either of the spinners a decent enough bat it's doable. I would consider Wells' place myself, bringing Nash back up to open. Leave Nash and Wells where they are. We are struggling to find four bowlers never mind five. |
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Post by fraudster on Aug 24, 2015 21:31:49 GMT
Mags, Jordan, Robinson, Hobden and Beer. We need a win not a draw.
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Post by jonboy on Aug 24, 2015 21:46:33 GMT
Mags, Jordan, Robinson, Hobden and Beer. We need a win not a draw. Very brave Mr F, and of course my negative stance would be, but let's not get beat. If we draw with Worcs, we could still stay up, if we lose to them, we almost certainly won't |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Aug 25, 2015 9:10:55 GMT
This is the BIG one of the season. Rather like the home Lancashire game last season, win this and the momentum 'should'
save us from relegation. A draw may not be enough when the weather continues to have a major influence over matches.
Hopefully, there will be a large Sussex contingent making the trip to New Road, especially when there is a new gleaming
and excellent value 'Travelodge' dominating the ground.
We need ALL the big guns to perform. Worcestershire are a better side than their position suggests but their vulnerability
is the mental aspect. Put them under pressure and they can fold.
Joyce, Yardy, Wright, Nash... your day has arrived. This is the moment when the senior batsmen must stand up and be
counted.
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Post by flashblade on Aug 25, 2015 9:47:03 GMT
This is the BIG one of the season. Rather like the home Lancashire game last season, win this and the momentum 'should' save us from relegation. A draw may not be enough when the weather continues to have a major influence over matches. Hopefully, there will be a large Sussex contingent making the trip to New Road, especially when there is a new gleaming and excellent value 'Travelodge' dominating the ground. We need ALL the big guns to perform. Worcestershire are a better side than their position suggests but their vulnerability is the mental aspect. Put them under pressure and they can fold. Joyce, Yardy, Wright, Nash... your day has arrived. This is the moment when the senior batsmen must stand up and be
counted.Sounds as if we need a rousing speech, fluffy . . . www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkTw3_PmKtc |
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Post by hhsussex on Aug 25, 2015 11:06:57 GMT
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood......stand like greyhounds in the slips
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Post by timbo1988 on Aug 25, 2015 15:09:38 GMT
Worcester will produce a spinning pitch for Saeed Ajmal so if we play 4 seamers and no spinners then we will lose.
Robinson and Joyce need to look at getting Beer in the team as the main spinner and then we can get some overs to keep run rate down from Yardy, Nash and Wells plus the 3 seamers.
I doubt this will happen and I imagine it will be 4 seamers or Zaidi for Liddle.
Hopefully we can win this match and stay up and reassess in the winter. A new coach, captain and medical team must be a possibility as this season has been a disaster from injuries, to team selection to batsmens form. Hopefully it won't all be blamed on injuries though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 15:17:55 GMT
Worcester will produce a spinning pitch for Saeed Ajmal so if we play 4 seamers and no spinners then we will lose. Robinson and Joyce need to look at getting Beer in the team as the main spinner and then we can get some overs to keep run rate down from Yardy, Nash and Wells plus the 3 seamers. I doubt this will happen and I imagine it will be 4 seamers or Zaidi for Liddle. Hopefully we can win this match and stay up and reassess in the winter. A new coach, captain and medical team must be a possibility as this season has been a disaster from injuries, to team selection to batsmens form. Hopefully it won't all be blamed on injuries though. I think this the right way to go. Hobden and Liddle don't take wickets but concede lots of runs, not an attractive combination. Hobden also throws in a sack of no-balls for good measure. I think giving Beer some long spells could be productive. Arguments against, rather than ostrich management? |
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Post by fraudster on Aug 25, 2015 15:31:37 GMT
Mags, Jordan, Robinson, Hobden and Beer. We need a win not a draw. Very brave Mr F, and of course my negative stance would be, but let's not get beat. If we draw with Worcs, we could still stay up, if we lose to them, we almost certainly won't Yes, rather like the stance of our leaders. Probably the main reason why we haven't won a game for god knows how long and why we're in this mess in the first place. I certainly hope Robbo & Joyce have got the nous to be thinking along the lines that Timbo is - when you put our complete lack of a spinner next to their very good one, there's a very good chance that their 'home advantage' will mean a turner of a pitch, just like our 'home advantage' against a powerful Yorks attack meant to kill the game and pray for a draw. If we're particularly bright we may even have our batsmen practice against this baffling art over the next week. To be fair to Worcs and Hants, if we play four seamers again or three seamers and Zaidi we deserve to go down. Here's an interesting article: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/33732235I'm glad lots of counties are thinking about their future, just wish Sussex were one of them. Maybe our boys just ain't good enough - be nice to actually find out though. Ours find it difficult to get a one-day game in a dead rubber, let alone a Championship game. Maybe if one or two from Finch, Jackson, H-P, Salt or Garton had palyed from the off in the one-day bosh they'd have made that list. On the flip side, we might have lost a lot and finished bottom of the group - oh. |
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Post by joe on Aug 26, 2015 7:19:10 GMT
Very brave Mr F, and of course my negative stance would be, but let's not get beat. If we draw with Worcs, we could still stay up, if we lose to them, we almost certainly won't Yes, rather like the stance of our leaders. Probably the main reason why we haven't won a game for god knows how long and why we're in this mess in the first place. I certainly hope Robbo & Joyce have got the nous to be thinking along the lines that Timbo is - when you put our complete lack of a spinner next to their very good one, there's a very good chance that their 'home advantage' will mean a turner of a pitch, just like our 'home advantage' against a powerful Yorks attack meant to kill the game and pray for a draw. If we're particularly bright we may even have our batsmen practice against this baffling art over the next week. To be fair to Worcs and Hants, if we play four seamers again or three seamers and Zaidi we deserve to go down. Here's an interesting article: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/33732235I'm glad lots of counties are thinking about their future, just wish Sussex were one of them. Maybe our boys just ain't good enough - be nice to actually find out though. Ours find it difficult to get a one-day game in a dead rubber, let alone a Championship game. Maybe if one or two from Finch, Jackson, H-P, Salt or Garton had palyed from the off in the one-day bosh they'd have made that list. On the flip side, we might have lost a lot and finished bottom of the group - oh. Have to agree Fraudster. Most of these lads were given a go from the off and have come good. I'm sure there are others who are given a go but don't come good but how do you know if you don't give them a go in the first place? Sussex pride themselves on being 'a family' club yet they ignore their children! Why have an academy if the kids who are brought through are ignored, banished to the seconds for years or doing the odd 12th man duties? The blame must be with the management, what else could it be? Time for radical rethinking or time to go. |
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Post by hhsussex on Aug 27, 2015 8:28:07 GMT
Worcester will produce a spinning pitch for Saeed Ajmal so if we play 4 seamers and no spinners then we will lose. Robinson and Joyce need to look at getting Beer in the team as the main spinner and then we can get some overs to keep run rate down from Yardy, Nash and Wells plus the 3 seamers. I doubt this will happen and I imagine it will be 4 seamers or Zaidi for Liddle. Hopefully we can win this match and stay up and reassess in the winter. A new coach, captain and medical team must be a possibility as this season has been a disaster from injuries, to team selection to batsmens form. Hopefully it won't all be blamed on injuries though. I do think we should have a varied attack, not least because of the amount of time it takes Magoffin and Jordan to get through an over, and we can't run the slightest risk of having points deducted for slow over rate. However the spinners' pitch argument isn't very strong if you look at how Ajmal has performed this season since changing his action to meet the ICC demands. His sole 5 wicket innings was taken back in July and his last three matches have brought him 5 for 355. Much more of a threat are their very handy trio of fast and medium pacers, Shantry, Morris and Leach, and after the recent rains I would think that the Worcester pitch will be pretty green. Leach, by the way, is pretty much the model of the sort of all rounder that Sussex need so badly.  |
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Post by jonboy on Aug 27, 2015 8:49:21 GMT
Yes it will be a stern test, that's for sure. A green result pitch would probably suit both attacks, but a lack of batting bonus points would make the losers vulnerable to Hampshire's game in hand
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Post by fraudster on Aug 27, 2015 15:53:57 GMT
Damn straight Joe.
Yeah, probably just be green on second thoughts. Not sure Ajmal even needs a turner - he probably needs a bendy arm more than anything right now. Take it as it is I spose, so who knows, yet. Turner, greentop or otherwise, my main point is five bowlers instead of four. Five would be positive, four negative. With Jordan, Robinson, Brown's form and whoever comes in being able to bat a bit, I don't think it would weaken our batting anyway, just strengthen our bowling. Most importantly it would be a change from the system that has worked so poorly for us for too long. If it is broke, fix it.
This ain't all about Beer by the way - preferably, yes. If not, Zaidi at seven and so on...
Joyce
Nash
Machan
Yardy
Wright
Brown
Zaidi/Beer
Jordan
Robinson
Mags
Hobden
Sorry Wellsy, play the form boys, needs must for now.
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Post by coverpoint on Aug 27, 2015 19:43:16 GMT
Why put in a bowler who goes for shedloads and bowl tons of no balls? Better to go with an opener, get a score on the board (hopefully with Machan bothering to turn up and actually score runs in this game) and then bowl Worcestershire out twice with a seam attack of Magoffin, Jordan and Robinson with Zaidi and Wells as the fourth and fifth bowlers. Nash at 4 has scored runs which he wasn't doing as an opener.
HH - We have Jordan, Shahzad and Robinson to do the Leach role.
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