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Aug 29, 2014 13:40:31 GMT
Post by flashblade on Aug 29, 2014 13:40:31 GMT
Talk of KP leaving Surrey to get regular four day cricket next year. But where? Middlesex would allow him to stay in London but would they want him?, Kent, Hampshire, Essex and Sussex all in striking range. Would we want him? Not on your life!!!! Why can't he get regular 4 day cricket at Surrey? Has he fallen out with yet another county?
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Oct 3, 2014 8:13:02 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2014 8:13:02 GMT
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KP
Oct 3, 2014 9:46:15 GMT
Post by Wicked Cricket on Oct 3, 2014 9:46:15 GMT
bm,
For now, this is a non-story, surely? The ECB will probably read the book and decide the KP "Revelations" are just a marketing storm in a teacup. They will have to be extremely libellous for the ECB to harness their legal team as the move could be highly damaging if they lose the case.
I have pre-ordered mine via Amazon (£9 hardback), although hoping for a "freebie" from some source or other. At least, the publication will place cricket back in the spotlight for awhile.
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KP
Oct 6, 2014 8:01:01 GMT
Post by hhsussex on Oct 6, 2014 8:01:01 GMT
The Daily Telegraph interview makes pretty unappetising reading. Hard to believe that a man so thin-skinned should ever have sought a career in a team game; not so hard to believe that a man so prone to hero worship (see the remarks about Duncan Fletcher and Gary Kirsten) should veer off to the other extreme when the authority figure is more critical of him. What's true and what isn't? Is Matt Prior a two-faced assassin, driving the knife in where a tongue-tied, embarrassed Alastair Cook would not? Are bowlers really the unacknowledged legislators of the dressing-room, demanding fear and obeisance? Would the revelation that a parody Twitter account of pompous statements was put together by members of the same team be likely to reduce a senior player to a condition of being "..completely broken, absolutely finished, mentally shot"? All these things happen in Pietersen world and there may be some truth in some of them, or it may be that this is the world view of someone who is completely unequipped to cope with the needs of a team, quite devoid of that empathy that understands that so-and-so can be a bit of an arse but is also vital to the team and has his own set of needs and priorities. At it's simplest, Pietersen's story is that of the great talent, the blazing fire, that is above and beyond the petty rules that enshroud and chain more earthbound spirits; however life is not quite so simple and cricket is a very good game for bringing people out of the clouds and confronting their own mortality. No doubt at times he was treated harshly, but then he had set the bar so high for himself that it would inevitably encourage others, particularly more lineal thinkers, to raise their own standards for his conduct. No doubt too that he probably was the subject of dressing-room stunts, because he took himself so seriously and cultivated this Ayn Rand-ish persona, and all around the country there are club players who can think of similar characters and incidents. The problem is that the media focus was so relentlessly strong that successive coaches and captains stepped away from these issues while the team was successful, and their own managers were too weak, and again too impressed by the success, to bear down upon them. Perhaps a Fletcher/Vaughan combination could have sorted it out, but it was that same combination that encouraged Pietersen to live in his own fantasy world. Whatever the truth, the fact is that it's over now; Pietersen has passed his peak and will probably play a few more T20 tournaments and then try to cope with the awful disappointment of no longer being the star attraction;Prior is facing up to the reality of no longer having a central contract and coping with a long recovery from injury at a relatively advanced cricketing age; Cook is as inarticulate as ever and probably not much more tactically aware; only Flower sits above the wreckage, with his technical post with the ECB secure.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2014 17:46:18 GMT
Well, well. I read the rather mediocre KP interview in The Daily Telegraph this morning and concluded that the book was going to be a damp squib, full of tedious score-settling without landing any killer blows. Some foolish warrior-bloggers clearly felt the same and rushed to their keyboards and arrogantly wrote off the book as a let down without having read a single word of it, suggesting in the most partronising terms that they now felt rather "sorry" for the poor, deluded fellow.
Since then the equivalent of about 96 overs have elapsed and the direct quotes from the book that are now appearing across the internet for the first time suggest that the book is a real humdinger, after all.
The account of how Downton sacked him is riveting and rings so true. And his ghost writer David Walsh certainly knows how to translate KP's obvious anger into a compelling phrase or two.
Try this on Andy Flower: "Contagiously sour. Infectiously dour. He could walk into a room and suck all the joy out of it in five seconds. Just a Mood Hoover. That's how I came to think of him."
Regardless of what you think of Flower, that is vitriol of the very, very highest class!
This morning it seemed that KP had perhaps foolishly run himself out for a duck. This evening it appears that he may have struck a game-changing innings. Perhaps when we get to read the book in full, it will turn out to be another frustrating, flattering-to-deceive knock of 75-80, when the conditions and the inept bowling of the opposition meant he should have gone on to get a big hundred.
We shall see.
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Oct 6, 2014 18:38:08 GMT
Post by wally on Oct 6, 2014 18:38:08 GMT
Swann has replied describing it as a work of fiction and saying that the attack on prior is despite prior being the one who fought tooth and nail to keep KP.
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Oct 6, 2014 19:30:46 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2014 19:30:46 GMT
Swann: "I expected it to be the biggest work of fiction since Jules Verne and that seems to have happened" - in other words, he admits that he has not yet read a single word of the book. (And weren't Verne's science fiction stories rather perspicacious and ahead of their time?)
Meanwhile, it emerges that England players have been instructed not to comment by the ECB. That clearly does not include the retired Swann ; but whether it includes those such as Prior, who no longer have central contracts but apparerntly hope to work their way back into contention, I do not know. What I do know is that Prior's rather petulant threat earlier today on twitter that "I WILL have my right of reply,” was rash and ill-conceived. One hopes that Robinson, May and Toumasi are as we speak counselling him to calm down and keep schtum.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2014 20:16:23 GMT
And the more that leaks out from the book as the evening goes on, the fiestier it gets.
The text messages between KP and Prior detailed in the book will cause the Sussex man major embarrassment.
And the reminder that in 2011 Swann, Anderson, Broad and Prior all put themselves up for the IPL auction and didn't attract a single offer between them while KP commanded an astronomical sum is timely. The implication that there was a humungous amount of envy running around the England dressing room is difficult to dispute and, given the vast sums involved, it would only be human nature.
But one begins to see why Prior is fighting against the ECB ban on players responding to the book : at the moment it looks like 40-love to Pietersen and you can understand why Matt is desperate to volley the ball back over the net, even if his dignity would be better served by retiring from the court.
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KP
Oct 7, 2014 7:03:25 GMT
Post by flashblade on Oct 7, 2014 7:03:25 GMT
Bearing in mind KP's ability to alienate nearly every dressing room he inhabits, it'll be interesting to see who, if anyone, will come out and support his point of view on the England camp.
So far, we've just had a load of ghost-written vitriol - another money-spinner from the KP business empire. Just ignore him - attention seekers can't stand that.
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Oct 7, 2014 7:36:30 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2014 7:36:30 GMT
Don't see how anyone can ignore the book , one way or another. The sage of cricinfo has now read it and says: "this is a must-read book. It is riveting. It is illuminating. It is audacious. It is outrageous.But most of all it is sad because talents like Pietersen come along all too rarely. Because cricket, in the UK in particular, is crying out for entertaining, box-office players to win back supporters and inspire the next generation. Because, with a bit more imagination, a bit more humility, a bit more carrot and a bit less stick, Pietersen could still be playing for England."
Pietersen has said and done some stupid things. But it really does appear thathe has been as much sinned against as sinning. Some of the allegations against him that have become accepted as fact turn out to be completely untrue in his account. He did not issue an ultimatum and demand the sacking of Peter Moores. He offered to stand down as captain and return to the ranks under Moores and another captain. The ECB wasn't having that and briefed it was 'him or me' in order to allow them to get rid of both men. He never used the word 'doos' in a text message or advised the South Africans on how to dismiss any England player. He was not the instigator of the anti-Flower mood in the secret team meeting after Melbourne,which was convened by Prior (who had just been dropped from the team,of course). And so on and so on.
Even if you're one of those England "supporters" who has spent the last ten years hating Pietersen you don't have to chage your mind about him to agree with Dobell's conclusion that "Although angry and full of bombast, Kevin Pietersen's book should unsettle English cricket. If even some of his claims are true, the culture within the England camp has been destructive for a long time."
The one thing anybody who cares about English cricket cannnot do is to ignore what he says.
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Oct 7, 2014 8:51:26 GMT
Post by flashblade on Oct 7, 2014 8:51:26 GMT
Don't see how anyone can ignore the book , one way or another. The sage of cricinfo has now read it and says: "this is a must-read book. It is riveting. It is illuminating. It is audacious. It is outrageous.But most of all it is sad because talents like Pietersen come along all too rarely. Because cricket, in the UK in particular, is crying out for entertaining, box-office players to win back supporters and inspire the next generation. Because, with a bit more imagination, a bit more humility, a bit more carrot and a bit less stick, Pietersen could still be playing for England." Pietersen has said and done some stupid things. But it really does appear thathe has been as much sinned against as sinning. Some of the allegations against him that have become accepted as fact turn out to be completely untrue in his account. He did not issue an ultimatum and demand the sacking of Peter Moores. He offered to stand down as captain and return to the ranks under Moores and another captain. The ECB wasn't having that and briefed it was 'him or me' in order to allow them to get rid of both men. He never used the word 'doos' in a text message or advised the South Africans on how to dismiss any England player. He was not the instigator of the anti-Flower mood in the secret team meeting after Melbourne,which was convened by Prior (who had just been dropped from the team,of course). And so on and so on. Even if you're one of those England "supporters" who has spent the last ten years hating Pietersen you don't have to chage your mind about him to agree with Dobell's conclusion that "Although angry and full of bombast, Kevin Pietersen's book should unsettle English cricket. If even some of his claims are true, the culture within the England camp has been destructive for a long time." The one thing anybody who cares about English cricket cannnot do is to ignore what he says. Quelle surprise! You almost sound as if you're accepting KP's account - maybe it helps your campaign against the ECB?
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Oct 7, 2014 9:07:06 GMT
Post by Wicked Cricket on Oct 7, 2014 9:07:06 GMT
While a book of this nature can only reek of sour grapes, from what I've read so far, it is the abusive, bullying culture within the England team that rankles led by Anderson, Swann, Broad and Prior - each with their differing roles.
Like some school gang the weak were picked on and if you didn't fit into this so-called England Team Culture, you were given the cold-shoulder.
Obviously, KP did not fit in as he was by far the most talented player and why the parody twitter account was created in an attempt to knock him down a notch.
Several commentators have pointed out that players like Steven Finn were picked on and his loss of confidence can well be attributed in part to the verbal abuse from Swann and Co. How many other players who 'never made the England grade' suffered in a similar way.
This gang mentality it seems was encouraged by Flower who placed his seamers on a pedestal. They could do no wrong. And this additional sense of power led to an exaggeration of the bullying mentality.
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Oct 7, 2014 9:08:39 GMT
Post by maxh on Oct 7, 2014 9:08:39 GMT
Bearing in mind KP's ability to alienate nearly every dressing room he inhabits, it'll be interesting to see who, if anyone, will come out and support his point of view on the England camp. So far, we've just had a load of ghost-written vitriol - another money-spinner from the KP business empire. Just ignore him - attention seekers can't stand that. Chris Tremlett @christremlett33 13h13 hours ago Glad @kp24 has finally been able to give his side of the story. People can now make an informed opinion of what went on in the dressing room
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Oct 7, 2014 9:30:07 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2014 9:30:07 GMT
Oh dear, fb. Oh dear, oh dear. You clearly are in the camp that holds 'How can you tell when Pietersen is lying? Answer: when his lips move.' What campaign against the ECB is that - the one to try to persuade them to give us a more sensible fixture schedule for 2015, which Sussex has also asked for? That is a quite seperate issue from the running of Team England, as you know full well. You usually address the issues with a pretty acute eye but you appear to have a total blind spot on this one. Simply because you don't like KP, you have exhorted the rest of us to "just ignore" everything he says. Well sorry, but we're not ostriches!
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Oct 7, 2014 10:02:14 GMT
Post by flashblade on Oct 7, 2014 10:02:14 GMT
Oh dear, fb. Oh dear, oh dear. You clearly are in the camp that holds 'How can you tell when Pietersen is lying? Answer: when his lips move.' What campaign against the ECB is that - the one to try to persuade them to give us a more sensible fixture schedule for 2015, which Sussex has also asked for? That is a quite seperate issue from the running of Team England, as you know full well. You usually address the issues with a pretty acute eye but you appear to have a total blind spot on this one. Simply because you don't like KP, you have exhorted the rest of us to "just ignore" everything he says. Well sorry, but we're not ostriches! I don't dislike KP, but I believe he thinks that everyone is out of step except him! At the moment, he seems to be in a minority of one within the cricket world. That's why I'm interested to see who's going to back up his version of the events. You give the definite impression that you accept KP's version, because you don't like the ECB - not because there's any evidence (yet) to corroborate his account. My comment on your "campaign against the ECB" is based merely on my observation that you take any opportunity to denigrate the ECB, which is far from perfect, I agree.
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