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Post by jonboy on Apr 10, 2016 17:42:16 GMT
I said before the warm up games, that we'd likely struggle to bowl sides out In the four matches so far, we've barely taken a wicket
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Post by coverpoint on Apr 10, 2016 17:47:13 GMT
If we can get Magoffin, Jordan, Robinson, Shahzad and Briggs together with our first choice top six of Joyce, Nash, Machan, Taylor, Wright and Brown on the field at the same time then we have a shot at promotion. If we don't we will struggle this season.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2016 17:47:56 GMT
I said before the warm up games, that we'd likely struggle to bowl sides out In the four matches so far, we've barely taken a wicket So how are we going to secure the promotion just about everyone on here thinks we're nailed on to achieve? |
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Post by coverpoint on Apr 10, 2016 17:49:25 GMT
I said before the warm up games, that we'd likely struggle to bowl sides out In the four matches so far, we've barely taken a wicket So how are we going to secure the promotion just about everyone on here thinks we're nailed on to achieve? We're not! |
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Post by jonboy on Apr 10, 2016 17:53:36 GMT
I said before the warm up games, that we'd likely struggle to bowl sides out In the four matches so far, we've barely taken a wicket So how are we going to secure the promotion just about everyone on here thinks we're nailed on to achieve? I'm not confident we'll secure that one promotion place. We should have enough to put in some sort of challenge, but I don't think we'll live up to our billing of favourites to win it |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2016 17:59:25 GMT
Bring back Robinson!
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Post by joe on Apr 10, 2016 18:09:11 GMT
If we can get Magoffin, Jordan, Robinson, Shahzad and Briggs together with our first choice top six of Joyce, Nash, Machan, Taylor, Wright and Brown on the field at the same time then we have a shot at promotion. If we don't we will struggle this season. Magoffin, Shahzad, Robinson and Briggs were playing today and they only took 2 wickets! Do you expect Jordan to come in and take the other 8? Good grief people it's only day one of game one and you're all so negative! |
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Post by nemmo on Apr 10, 2016 18:24:17 GMT
I agree Joe. At least hold some of the more biting criticism for when both teams have batted on this pitch. If this pitch is an absolute road then it may be a write off. Though that would beg the question why we didn't elect to have a toss.
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Post by coverpoint on Apr 10, 2016 18:30:18 GMT
I agree Joe. At least hold some of the more biting criticism for when both teams have batted on this pitch. If this pitch is an absolute road then it may be a write off. Though that would beg the question why we didn't elect to have a toss. 1) Let's see how we bat on it before saying it is a road. If we are 500-5 then you can rightly conclude this. However, we haven't batted on yet and I watched Sussex two many times to comment on the pitch before we have batted on it ourselves. 2) If it was that good a pitch to bat on why bowl fast? Put 600 on the board and then look to bowl the opposition out twice! |
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Post by jonboy on Apr 10, 2016 18:55:03 GMT
There certainly didn't look to be much in the pitch, and according to the forecasts anyway, easily the sunniest of the four days, why offer them first use. Bizarre. All the bowlers stuck to their task, but as in the previous three matches, none were threatening, including Magoffin. He was, at least, economical though
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2016 18:57:03 GMT
It may be "day one of game one" in the CC, but it does come on the back of the bowlers struggling to take wickets in practice games and an inability to bowl out student batsmen, most of whom aren't even top county second XI standard.
I'm sure it will get better but without Jordan the seam bowling is potentially a massive concern. Magoffin is now an old man in fast bowling terms; Robinson may well get 'found out' in second season syndrome now the coaches have run him through their video analysis; Shahzad seems to be struggling for rhythm after such a long time out; Hatchett is no more than an honest trier who took four wkts at 51 last season; Garton and Hudson-Prentice at this early stage of their careers lack either the pace or the guile to trouble good batsmen much (and probably neither is as taleted as Hobden, whose f/c wkts last season, let us not forget, cost 47 apiece).
Then there is Briggs, who is a white ball specialist and took only 19 wkts in the CC for Hampashire last season, which was four fewer than Wells took for Sussex.
I've watched more Div Two cricket than most on this forum, I suspect. And I can tell you that the majority of second tier sides are stuffed full of good batsmen. Without fail it's the sides with bowling attacks that can take 20 wkts that get promoted.
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Post by jonboy on Apr 10, 2016 19:03:29 GMT
It may be "day one of game one" in the CC, but it does come on the back of the bowlers struggling to take wickets in practice games and an inability to bowl out student batsmen, most of whom aren't even top county second XI standard. I'm sure it will get better but without Jordan the seam bowling is potentially a massive concern. Magoffin is now an old man in fast bowling terms; Robinson may well get 'found out' in second season syndrome now the coaches have run him through their video analysis; Shahzad seems to be struggling for rhythm after such a long time out; Hatchett is no more than an honest trier who took four wkts at 51 last season; Garton and Hudson-Prentice at this early stage of their careers lack either the pace or the guile to trouble good batsmen much (and probably neither is as taleted as Hobden, whose f/c wkts last season, let us not forget, cost 47 apiece). Then there is Briggs, who is a white ball specialist and took only 19 wkts in the CC for Hampashire last season, which was four fewer than Wells took for Sussex. I've watched more Div Two cricket than most on this forum, I suspect. And I can tell you that the majority of second tier sides are stuffed full of good batsmen. Without fail it's the sides with bowling attacks that can take 20 wkts that get promoted. Yes and another worry We too are stuffed with good batsmen, well the first six anyway, but even in this division, sides are capable of making inroads into the batting order. Most don't have the depth of bowling to finish things off, but our ludicrously long tail could give us a few nasty surprises. |
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Post by fraudster on Apr 10, 2016 19:32:46 GMT
its very easy to blame Garton but the lad is only 18 and playing his first CC game. What about Robinson and Shahzad? They didn't look threatening either and Robinson was almost as expensive as Garton. The fourth seamer position is exactly where we should blood our young bowlers. The blame lies with the Captain for electing to bowl first on a road. I'm not blaming Garton, far from it, I'm saying he shouldn't be considered until he's proved himself in the seconds, which he ain't. I'm always on about playing our youth but I'm not as stupid and unrealistic about it as some may think. Bad day, high scoring draw will be welcome. One immediate issue though, scoreboard pressure. Many a team succumb to that on a road or otherwise. At least one long term issue, our lack of bowling depth. We were seemingly okay in the winter but where are the replacements for the two we lost? I don't like to moan or kick up a stink, as is well known, but I'm not impressed by many things at Sussex since the considerable changes in the winter. I think we're being badly led from the top. We'll see. |
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Post by jonboy on Apr 10, 2016 19:41:27 GMT
its very easy to blame Garton but the lad is only 18 and playing his first CC game. What about Robinson and Shahzad? They didn't look threatening either and Robinson was almost as expensive as Garton. The fourth seamer position is exactly where we should blood our young bowlers. The blame lies with the Captain for electing to bowl first on a road. I'm not blaming Garton, far from it, I'm saying he shouldn't be considered until he's proved himself in the seconds, which he ain't. I'm always on about playing our youth but I'm not as stupid and unrealistic about it as some may think. Bad day, high scoring draw will be welcome. One immediate issue though, scoreboard pressure. Many a team succumb to that on a road or otherwise. At least one long term issue, our lack of bowling depth. We were seemingly okay in the winter but where are the replacements for the two we lost? I don't like to moan or kick up a stink, as is well known, but I'm not impressed by many things at Sussex since the considerable changes in the winter. I think we're being badly led from the top. We'll see. Well I invariably do like to moan, and today, it seemed to me that we were underprepared There wasn't much in it for any of the bowlers but to me, it looked as if Shahzad and Robinson were a bit, stuck in first gear. Garton at least tried to bowl fast. Been a pretty crap weekend for me, saw my football team dip down at Bristol City, and today was only slightly more palatable |
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Post by theleopard on Apr 11, 2016 8:20:05 GMT
I've watched more Div Two cricket than most on this forum, I suspect. And I can tell you that the majority of second tier sides are stuffed full of good batsmen. Without fail it's the sides with bowling attacks that can take 20 wkts that get promoted. You are spot on here. So much has been written about the "gulf" between the divisions. Yes, there is, but it's mainly about bowling. The sides in Division 2 are still difficult to dismiss. It's therefore easy to end up floundering in Division 2 because of an inability to finish sides off. Middlesex and Surrey found this out during many years spent in the division. I think both started favourities or thereabouts practically every year that they were in Division 2. |
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