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Post by flashblade on Apr 14, 2016 7:35:56 GMT
I know what fraudster means. When did a fifth bowler ever win a match? If four can't do the job - with a few overs of light relief from a part-timer like Nash or Wells, if necessary - then an extra specialist bowler ain't going to make much difference. Last time Sussex won a CC game at Hove - 11 months ago v Warwicks - we only played four bowlers. They were all seamers and they did the job; a fifth bowler wasn't required to bowl a single over in either innings. Four seamers was quite enough 'rotation'. Robinson is far too high at seven (as pointed out above, he'd be batting at ten if he was playing for Essex). So Sussex really need to play four bowlers and strengthen the batting. Joyce Wells Taylor Nash Machan Finch Brown Robinson Shahzad Garton or Briggs Magoffin Should be OK fielding him and three seamers, if the seamers a regular wicket takers. Any three from Magoffin, Shahzad, Robinson and Garton should be good enough, although to me, Shahzad and Robinson don't yet look back to their best. We should have used the overseas slot to bring in an all rounder, then I don't think we'd have this dilemma Why do you assume that? |
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Post by coverpoint on Apr 14, 2016 11:13:04 GMT
My XI assuming no Wright or Jordan would be:
Joyce
Nash (Wells if Nash not fit)
Machan
Taylor
Finch
Brown (+, c)
Robinson
Shahzad
Garton
Briggs
Magoffin
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Post by jonboy on Apr 14, 2016 11:30:28 GMT
My XI assuming no Wright or Jordan would be: Joyce Nash (Wells if Nash not fit) Machan Taylor Finch Brown (+, c) Robinson Shahzad Garton Briggs Magoffin Yeah, probably mine too, although that's a heck of a long tail |
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Post by fraudster on Apr 14, 2016 15:01:32 GMT
Joe, CP, JB, you're all nuts, as is the coach it seems. Maybe JB assumes Briggs will always play because he suspects Davis is cut from the same cloth as Robinson - we signed him so we play him.
Briggs is a defensive bowler, not the sort you need in any four-day game in my opinion but certainly not to support four seamers. You need an attacking spinner, especially if he's the fifth bowler. What did the defensive spinner achieve against Northants? Our seamers may have been sufficiently rested but for what, 6 wickets for about 430 runs. In the meantime our spinner gifts them 100 odd easy runs - great.
The biggest statement Davis and Wright could make to fly in the face of the Robinson era would be to play our attacking spinner, the one that actually takes wickets, instead of the boring, fearful and negative tactics that Robinson used in wanting a holding spinner - pathetic. I'd rather my spinner take 3-88 off 20 than 1-60 off 20 any day of the week.
At the very least it should be Beer in a five man attack or Briggs in a four. The added bonus; we'll actually see who's the best for once in a fair and even bowl off between the two. Yet again, Beer ain't getting a fair crack. Another bonus; Beer is clearly a better batsman and would go some way to strengthening that ridiculously long tail.
Frankly, I wouldn't play either on Sunday.
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Post by coverpoint on Apr 15, 2016 7:48:15 GMT
Fraudster - There is no chance of Beer playing in the Championship this season as Davis is cut from the same cloth as Robinson. What makes you think that we will bowl a team out with four bowlers when we didn't manage it with five? Playing four seamers would be just be long tedious and very predictable for the Essex batsmen.
Jonboy - I think with time Garton could potentially be a number 7.
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Post by jonboy on Apr 15, 2016 8:01:33 GMT
Fraudster - There is no chance of Beer playing in the Championship this season as Davis is cut from the same cloth as Robinson. What makes you think that we will bowl a team out with four bowlers when we didn't manage it with five? Playing four seamers would be just be long tedious and very predictable for the Essex batsmen. Jonboy - I think with time Garton could potentially be a number 7. Yes, I agree re Garton |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Apr 15, 2016 8:30:04 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2016 8:56:31 GMT
Fraudster - There is no chance of Beer playing in the Championship this season as Davis is cut from the same cloth as Robinson. What makes you think that we will bowl a team out with four bowlers when we didn't manage it with five? Playing four seamers would be just be long tedious and very predictable for the Essex batsmen. Jonboy - I think with time Garton could potentially be a number 7. Yes, I agree re Garton I'd rather see Ben Brown at seven. Think how often , particularly at Hove, four or five wickets go down cheaply to the new ball and the second half of the innings outscores the first half. That's not going to happen too often this season, though, if we've got an elongated tail in which Robinson, Shahzad and Garton bat at seven, eight and nine. Contrast with Sunday's visitors who will have Ten Doeschate, Foster and Napier at seven, eight and nine. |
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Post by coverpoint on Apr 15, 2016 10:21:22 GMT
I'd rather see Ben Brown at seven. Think how often , particularly at Hove, four or five wickets go down cheaply to the new ball and the second half of the innings outscores the first half. That's not going to happen too often this season, though, if we've got an elongated tail in which Robinson, Shahzad and Garton bat at seven, eight and nine. Contrast with Sunday's visitors who will have Ten Doeschate, Foster and Napier at seven, eight and nine. But they have Ten Doeschate, Bopara and Ryder in the top seven who all bowl. |
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Post by jonboy on Apr 15, 2016 10:21:39 GMT
I'd rather see Ben Brown at seven. Think how often , particularly at Hove, four or five wickets go down cheaply to the new ball and the second half of the innings outscores the first half. That's not going to happen too often this season, though, if we've got an elongated tail in which Robinson, Shahzad and Garton bat at seven, eight and nine. Contrast with Sunday's visitors who will have Ten Doeschate, Foster and Napier at seven, eight and nine. Quite BM, and I've always maintained, Second Division sides have enough firepower, especially early season, to shoot out the first 4 or 5, but perhaps don't have the depth of bowling to complete the job. It may not be the case against us though, there isn't much resistance beyond the top six. Our philosophy seems to go against the modern trend, that sees sides often able to bat right down to number ten |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2016 10:37:36 GMT
I'd rather see Ben Brown at seven. Think how often , particularly at Hove, four or five wickets go down cheaply to the new ball and the second half of the innings outscores the first half. That's not going to happen too often this season, though, if we've got an elongated tail in which Robinson, Shahzad and Garton bat at seven, eight and nine. Contrast with Sunday's visitors who will have Ten Doeschate, Foster and Napier at seven, eight and nine. But they have Ten Doeschate, Bopara and Ryder in the top seven who all bowl. Exactly. All-rounders balance a side. Most counties have them - Stokes at Durham, Stevens at Kent, Meschede at Glamorgan, Trego at Somerset, Ansari at Surrey, Dawson at Hants, Dexter at Leics, Woakes at Warwicks, Moeen at Worcs, Willey at Yorks. I suppose the nearest Sussex have is Jordan - but even he only has a f/c batting average of 21 and has never made a century. Tendo hardly bowls any more, btw - 40 overs in the whole of last season so he's playing as a specialist batsman. Sussex's number seven (Robinson) averaged 20 last season. Essex's number seven (Tendo) averaged 55. |
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Post by jonboy on Apr 15, 2016 10:42:12 GMT
But they have Ten Doeschate, Bopara and Ryder in the top seven who all bowl. Exactly. All-rounders balance a side. Most counties have them - Stokes at Durham, Stevens at Kent, Meschede at Glamorgan, Trego at Somerset, Ansari at Surrey, Dawson at Hants, Dexter at Leics, Woakes at Warwicks, Moeen at Worcs, Willey at Yorks. I suppose the nearest Sussex have is Jordan - but even he only has a f/c batting average of 21 and has never made a century. Tendo hardly bowls any more, btw - 40 overs in the whole of last season so he's playing as a specialist batsman. Sussex's number seven (Robinson) averaged 20 last season. Essex's number seven (Tendo) averaged 55. Most counties have one, some like Essex have three or more. Warwickshire do have Woakes, they also have Clarke and Barker. Patel is no mug either. Can't understand why this issue wasn't addressed in the winter, especially as we had a golden opportunity, with a new overseas space freed up |
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Post by flashblade on Apr 15, 2016 10:55:43 GMT
I feel sorry for Mark Davis. He's inherited a bit of a bl**dy mess, IMO.
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Post by jonboy on Apr 15, 2016 11:01:44 GMT
I feel sorry for Mark Davis. He's inherited a bit of a bl**dy mess, IMO. Me too When he was first appointed, he told us that he would overhaul the squad and get Sussex back competing in all competitions. Do we have a stronger squad than the one that started last season, I don't think we do |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2016 11:10:33 GMT
I feel sorry for Mark Davis. He's inherited a bit of a bl**dy mess, IMO. He's certainly inherited a very unbalanced squad with a couple of massive holes. Robinson left us without a power-hitter apart from Wright and without a proper all-rounder, two of the key components in any successful side in the modern game. Davis is trying to correct the imbalance by grooming Salt as a power-hitter and, according to some on here, is seeking to turn Garton into an all-rounder who can bat at seven. |
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