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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2017 11:47:44 GMT
I wonder when the change of policy from homegrown to Kolpak occurred. unofficialsussexccc.freeforums.net/thread/729/members-forum-hove-31-august"MD joined the meeting and before taking questions offered his own thoughts on the season: the white ball cricket played had been unacceptable. Young players were the key to the future but one had to accept that young people make mistakes and not criticise them for it. There was clearly a need for rebuilding but it would not be met by loan signings. He could go to South Africa tomorrow and sign up half a dozen Kolpaks but it wouldn’t ensure the future of the team. There was a need to work on careful team development in order to build a side that would not only win promotion but be sure to stay in Division 1." Perhaps there is a glut of low cost SA kolpaks trying to beat perceived Brexit deadlines? On the surface that does appear to be a remarkable volte face by Davis and even open to accusations of hypocrisy. But I guess the crux of it lies in this sentence: "There was a need to work on careful team development in order to build a side that would not only win promotion but be sure to stay in Division 1." It became obvious last season that the side wasn't good enough or experienced enough to gain promotion. So they bring in Van Zyl and Wiese for 2017 in the hope that will mean Sussex will be back in Div One for 2018 - by which time Garton, Whittingham, Robinson, Salt and Finch may be looking less like rookies still learning the game and more like fully-fledged first-class cricketers able to hold their own in the top flight. Under such an intepretation, perhaps the Kolpak rush and Davis's statement last August are not quite as mutually exclusive as they ostensibly seem - or am I clutching at straws and principle has simply been jettisoned in favour of expediency? There was a very similar situation at Kent recently where the same issues of principle versus expediency also provoked accusations of hypocrisy. in 2015, after Kent had been roundly thrashed at Old Trafford by Lancashire, the Kent CEO went public with a self-righteous complaint that the Lancs side contained four players from overseas (Petersen, Prince, Siddle, Jarvis) and an expression of pride that Kent had rejected such an approach in favour of developing its own Academy cricketers. Within a year, Kent had signed the Kiwi opener Latham and three Safers in Dickson, Rabada and Viljoen!!! |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jan 16, 2017 12:00:52 GMT
Having spent the last week talking to people who were involved with the rebuilding of the Sussex team post March 1997, what Mark Davis is doing with his player recruitment is similar to what Tony Pigott achieved back then. For some seasons, posters on this Forum have decried the weak mentality shown by some of the Sussex players; their inability to fight back when losing a match; how they consistently lose an advantage, a passage of play, within a game. In a nutshell, Sussex have lost their winning mentality. Back in the late 1990s, this was resolved by Pigott recruiting from outside. Adams, Bevan, Di Venuto, Goodwin and others... all were winners who were able to positively infect the Sussex players around them. Davis is, surely, doing the same by bringing in former International South African kolpaks, which in my view, is a highly sensible step. Alongside the Australians, the Saffers have one of the strongest mentalities of any Nation. Therefore, listening to fraudster's scratched record ridicule is not only out of touch with the club's present malaise but is completely the wrong path at this point of their rejuvenation. Philander could do wonders for the seamer youngsters like Garton, Whittingham, Archer and Robinson. Van Zyl could offer fantastic experience to Machan, Finch, Salt and Rawlins. And looking at the squad the club have (see link below), my optimism abounds for the 2017 season. The club now have an excellent balance between experience and youth. www.sussexcricket.co.uk/current-player-profiles |
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Post by hhsussex on Jan 16, 2017 12:07:01 GMT
I wonder when the change of policy from homegrown to Kolpak occurred. unofficialsussexccc.freeforums.net/thread/729/members-forum-hove-31-august"MD joined the meeting and before taking questions offered his own thoughts on the season: the white ball cricket played had been unacceptable. Young players were the key to the future but one had to accept that young people make mistakes and not criticise them for it. There was clearly a need for rebuilding but it would not be met by loan signings. He could go to South Africa tomorrow and sign up half a dozen Kolpaks but it wouldn’t ensure the future of the team. There was a need to work on careful team development in order to build a side that would not only win promotion but be sure to stay in Division 1." Perhaps there is a glut of low cost SA kolpaks trying to beat perceived Brexit deadlines? On the surface that does appear to be a remarkable volte face by Davis and even open to accusations of hypocrisy. But I guess the crux of it lies in this sentence: "There was a need to work on careful team development in order to build a side that would not only win promotion but be sure to stay in Division 1." It became obvious last season that the side wasn't good enough or experienced enough to gain promotion. So they bring in Van Zyl and Wiese for 2017 in the hope that will mean Sussex will be back in Div One for 2018 - by which time Garton, Whittingham, Robinson, Salt and Finch may be looking less like rookies still learning the game and more like fully-fledged first-class cricketers able to hold their own in the top flight. Under such an intepretation, perhaps the Kolpak rush and Davis's statement last August are not quite as mutually exclusive as they ostensibly seem - or am I clutching at straws and principle has simply been jettisoned in favour of expediency? There was a very similar situation at Kent recently where the same issues of principle versus expediency also provoked accusations of hypocrisy. in 2015, after Kent had been roundly thrashed at Old Trafford by Lancashire, the Kent CEO went public with a self-righteous complaint that the Lancs side contained four players from overseas (Petersen, Prince, Siddle, Jarvis) and an expression of pride that Kent had rejected such an approach in favour of developing its own Academy cricketers. Within a year, Kent had signed the Kiwi opener Latham and three Safers in Dickson, Rabada and Viljoen!!! Good spot by deepfineleg and I think that the answer is a bit of both: the acq uisition of Van Zyl was clearly needed when it was known that Joyce was not coming back and none of the young batsmen had quite enough experience and/or consistency as yet to replace him. In much the same way Evans could be seen as bolstering the squad if Machan had trouble recovering from injury. In both cases one could hope that Sussex in 2018/19 in the first division would be shifting the batting responsibilities on to Finch, Machan and Salt, and introducing Haines. Where I think expediency came in was with the signing of Wiese. I don't believe on the evidence of what I saw last season that either of Archer or Robinson should be scrabbling around for a place at the bottom of the order, nor that Garton, Whittingham and Sakande are too young and raw to play more than a couple of games before being rested. Wiese bowled well in his stay last year, but didn't offer anything oustanding compared with the names above. He played two swashbuckling innings: Archer played at least three and Robinson changed his game to meet the circumstances. I do see Wiese as impeding the development of some of these cricketers and I think it a great irony that Robinson the Elder didn't follow this course a couple of years ago when a shrewd signing of that kind would almost certainly have retained first division status, and allowed the young talents then to mature at a more measured rate. |
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Post by fraudster on Jan 20, 2017 22:02:25 GMT
You're quite dumb S&F, and you have to continuously edit to attain that status - well done. Do some research about Adams, Goodwin, Bevan and Divo's stints and come back to me when you know what the f**k you're talking about.
You may be able to stop-gap to get places but you can't stop-gap to stay there. Then you expect players who weren't given a chance in div two to flourish in div one - the thought process is astonishing. As stated, players who the Sussex management proudly announced were to be shown faith will be back-burnered for players the management proudly denied, almost ridiculed, several months ago. That's hypocrisy at best. It's worse than that though.
The cheating is simply employing a Kolpak if you already have an overseas. You are allowed one overseas player (Philander) and that should be that. I think it should be two overseas players for the record but rules is rules. EU laws and loopholes resemble everything that's bad about this country and are precisely the reason we're leaving those *** ass-wipes behind.
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Post by hhsussex on Oct 5, 2017 13:20:03 GMT
Interesting interview with Wiese here www.titans.co.za/index.php/categories-1-layout/item/716-wiese-returns-to-sa-after-english-county-stintHe's realistic about his play for Sussex this year and about the burden of expectation: "...my performances were very up and down, it was an average season for me. I would either play very well or very badly, there was nothing in between and that was disappointing.You want to start well ad show that you’re worth your Kolpak contract, especially after all the hype about us players on that deal.." and then comes this, which is presumably a joke, though reported deadpan "...fortunately I must have contributed off the field because the management kept picking me" |
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Post by joe on Dec 3, 2018 11:29:20 GMT
Has extended his contract, as usual no indication of how long.
This is good news if we get the Wiese from this season and not the one from 2017.
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Post by liquidskin on Dec 6, 2018 18:38:37 GMT
Yes keep the 35 year old Kolpak and dispose of the 24 year old homie, nice work. How long's his contract? Oh, nobody knows. What an a******* of a club.
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Post by ashingtonmartlet on Dec 6, 2018 20:02:06 GMT
Zzzzzzz. 33. Never occurred to you that maybe, just maybe, the management don’t feel they can offer him the opportunities to progress his career, based upon where he’s currently at and other bowlers at the club. Now I’m sure you’ll say that he didn’t get the chances to play, but as I’ll always say, the coaches/management etc work with these players throughout the season, they’ll know better than the rest of us how they’re progressing, or not.
Personally, I feel this leaves us more than a seamer light, which will only get worse if Jordan and Archer are in the IPL.
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Post by liquidskin on Dec 10, 2018 22:16:44 GMT
I think where he's 'currently at' (24, home grown and a first class average of 30), and 'other bowlers at the club' (or lack and unavailability of them) has occurred to you, me and everyone barring the management. If you take away that he's young, homegrown and averaging 30 you're still left wondering why we're moving him on. I don't think the management know better than anyone. Lose that mug Greenfield and a whole host of other office wallows if you wanna save money.
Whittingham was thriving under Lewis. Who is the bowling coach now?
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Post by ashingtonmartlet on Dec 11, 2018 22:33:42 GMT
Erm......good question 🤔
And yes, on the face of it, it is an interesting one if there’s no-one lined up to come in, either from outside or promoted from the academy. As I said, think it leaves us even shorter in that department.
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Post by jonboy on Dec 11, 2018 22:53:04 GMT
Erm......good question 🤔 And yes, on the face of it, it is an interesting one if there’s no-one lined up to come in, either from outside or promoted from the academy. As I said, think it leaves us even shorter in that department. Whether we promote anyone from the academy, or not, it’s unrealistic to think we would have enough seam bowling Probably Will Sheffield would be favourite to step up from the academy, but he won’t compensate for the loss of Whittingham, and the likely loss of Archer also Factor in that Wiese and Jordan have also put their names forward for the IPL. We have much work to do |
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Post by deepfineleg on May 9, 2019 12:31:03 GMT
Has extended his contract, as usual no indication of how long.
This is good news if we get the Wiese from this season and not the one from 2017. He may have answered this in an interview with Worthing Herald
Having recently signed a contact which will see him feature for Sussex beyond 2019, he feels England is the best place to play out the rest of his playing days.
“I’m happy to have signed an extension with the club which will keep me here for couple more years, I’ve enjoyed my time playing over here so I’d really like to finish off my career over here,” he told us.
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Post by jonboy on May 9, 2019 12:58:04 GMT
Has extended his contract, as usual no indication of how long.
This is good news if we get the Wiese from this season and not the one from 2017. He may have answered this in an interview with Worthing Herald
Having recently signed a contact which will see him feature for Sussex beyond 2019, he feels England is the best place to play out the rest of his playing days.
“I’m happy to have signed an extension with the club which will keep me here for couple more years, I’ve enjoyed my time playing over here so I’d really like to finish off my career over here,” he told us.
Crikey, he could be in big trouble there, for leaking such sensitive information |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Sept 13, 2019 8:56:31 GMT
And so say all of us. An excellent Sussex signing by Mark Davis. One of the best in many years.
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Post by jonboy on Sept 13, 2019 9:08:05 GMT
Wiese has given us something we’ve missed for a long while, an all rounder who balances the side
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