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Post by hhsussex on Jun 7, 2016 8:51:38 GMT
Glamorgan have won their previous 50 over game, against Gloucestershire by 52 runs. They batted first and used 6 bowlers to restrict Gloucestershire.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2016 9:22:30 GMT
... and Sussex seek their first win in the competition since Aug 2014!
I'd ring a couple of changes. Salt for Machan and Robinson for Briggs or Shahzad.I'd like to include Finch,too, but cannot see how.
The lack of a bowler who can bat at number six (like Zaidi!), means that the five bowlers have to make a long tail from 7-11 - which you can may be get away with over 20 overs but is clearly a batsman light over 50. I can see why last year the club liked the idea of Cachopa keeping wicket in white ball cricket. In the absence of a bowler in the top six, it was the only way of trying to balance the side and include a sixth batsman. Sadly, he seems to have lost his run-scoring ability and so is not the answer.
The only other available solution would be to repalce Briggs with Wells, as has happened in red ball cricket. But I don't think I'd trust him to bowl ten overs. On a good day you might get away with by bowling him in flashblade's 'boring middle overs' when most of the runs seem to come from pushing singles (unless you are playing at Trent Bridge, of course...) But too much potential to go horribly wrong...
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Post by jonboy on Jun 7, 2016 9:42:58 GMT
With Salt, a bit out of sorts, I'd probably go with Cachopa if we are planning on making any changes. He's the one in form for the seconds, and although we haven't seen much evidence of this for a while, he is the most likely match winner. Yes he's had plenty of chances in the past, but he's gone back to the seconds and worked his way back into some sort of form. Perhaps this is what Machan needs to do
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Post by hhsussex on Jun 7, 2016 10:14:02 GMT
With Salt, a bit out of sorts, I'd probably go with Cachopa if we are planning on making any changes. He's the one in form for the seconds, and although we haven't seen much evidence of this for a while, he is the most likely match winner. Yes he's had plenty of chances in the past, but he's gone back to the seconds and worked his way back into some sort of form. Perhaps this is what Machan needs to do Can you give any evidence that Cachopa has achieved anything like "form" for the seconds? Yesterday he made 46 on a batsman's wicket (Sibley made 113 not out for Surrey and Burke 52 not out) and most of his innings have been less than that. It is bitterly disappointing that he has fallen away so completely, in every form of cricket, since he arrived here in a blaze of 50s in the late summer of 2014 but there is no sign that his drought has come to an end. Is there still time for our batting coach to work intensively with Machan, and Cachopa, to help them regain their previous brilliance? I believe he is not due to go back to Australia until July so surely there is a case for a couple of weeks of concentrated hard work.
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Post by jonboy on Jun 7, 2016 10:37:19 GMT
With Salt, a bit out of sorts, I'd probably go with Cachopa if we are planning on making any changes. He's the one in form for the seconds, and although we haven't seen much evidence of this for a while, he is the most likely match winner. Yes he's had plenty of chances in the past, but he's gone back to the seconds and worked his way back into some sort of form. Perhaps this is what Machan needs to do Can you give any evidence that Cachopa has achieved anything like "form" for the seconds? Yesterday he made 46 on a batsman's wicket (Sibley made 113 not out for Surrey and Burke 52 not out) and most of his innings have been less than that. It is bitterly disappointing that he has fallen away so completely, in every form of cricket, since he arrived here in a blaze of 50s in the late summer of 2014 but there is no sign that his drought has come to an end. Is there still time for our batting coach to work intensively with Machan, and Cachopa, to help them regain their previous brilliance? I believe he is not due to go back to Australia until July so surely there is a case for a couple of weeks of concentrated hard work. I guess, by in form, I meant relative to the other options. His recent scores of 40, 20, 50 and 80, may not be evidence that he's turned the corner, but it's a step in the right direction. Also, it was a much more experienced Surrey side, who ran out comfortable winners in the end
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2016 11:39:44 GMT
We played five batsmen against Essex. Three gave their wickets away, two when well-set. I can't see adequate replacements unless it's Finch for Machan.
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Post by coverpoint on Jun 7, 2016 18:16:34 GMT
Finch and Robinson for Machan and Shahzad. Drop Machan to the seconds until he rediscovers his form.
What batting coach HH? The one that buggers off to Australia at the end of the month. We need a full-time batting coach!
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Post by joe on Jun 7, 2016 18:50:11 GMT
Steve Hollis has just tweeted that Machan is ruled out of tomorrow's game with a wrist injury, he's replaced in the squad by Magoffin. Presumably that means Finch will play and perhaps Magoffin for Shahzad?
Sussex have put a link to the preview of the game on Twitter but the link doesn't work!
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Post by hhsussex on Jun 7, 2016 20:24:16 GMT
Steve Hollis has just tweeted that Machan is ruled out of tomorrow's game with a wrist injury, he's replaced in the squad by Magoffin. Presumably that means Finch will play and perhaps Magoffin for Shahzad? Sussex have put a link to the preview of the game on Twitter but the link doesn't work! It isn't surprising that the 50 over game is unloved and, by many, unwanted when clubs simply can't be bothered to put out information about their teams until, and even beyond , the last minute. Advertising on the T20 game is targeted, is coordinated and generally is handled quite professionally. For this wretched irrelevance clubs give the impression that they are both unwilling and unready to take it seriously. Small wonder that the audiences are confused and largely indifferent, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy: no-one likes us, we don't compete.
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Post by fraudster on Jun 7, 2016 22:13:48 GMT
Magoffin? What a waste. When's he ever played in this and why bring him in to do so when he's 86? Give Whittingham the chance if you wanna change an attack that don't need changing. Mags isn't normally considered, is too old and a dear on roller skates in the field, it's ridiculous. Giving youth a chance my arse. These fools please me with one decision then utterly astound me with another. Infuriating.
Another stupid move is only giving Wiese T20 games in this new deal, completely closing out the possibility of addressing the biggest issue in the playing side, the balance. Wiese six and Brown seven would give us the alternative that we're searching for, on here anyway, to try out at least. I predict the issue hasn't even registered with the men calling the shots.
The Mags/Whittingham one though, that really grates. "If we have an Academy we use it, otherwise what's the point." And he's 22 and already performed well in first class cricket. Very backwards and disturbingly unprogressive.
Idiots have ruined my night, not gonna be able to sleep now, wish I never came on here tonight, thanks a lot Joe.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 8:00:17 GMT
The 'preview' is now up on the club website, but offers no explanation for the absence of Machan or the unexpected inclusion of Magoffin.
Personally I think adding Magoffin to the squad makes sense. It's desperately important that Sussex breaks its losing streak in this competiton and secures its first win since 2014 in order to dispel the negativity and create a bit of momentum. So put out your strongest side. And it's not as though Mags is going be overbowled with only one red ball game at Arundel between now and July...
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Will Beer Danny Briggs Ben Brown (wkt) Harry Finch George Garton Chris Jordan Ed Joyce Steve Magoffin Chris Nash Ollie Robinson Ajmal Shahzad Ross Taylor Luke Wright (c)
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jun 8, 2016 8:45:55 GMT
I thought Machan was injured?
I agree with Bms sentiment. Sussex must win a 50 over game to dispel their past bogey and place the Wright/Davis revolution back on track. Including Mags strengthens the bowling.
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Post by jonboy on Jun 8, 2016 8:51:17 GMT
I thought Machan was injured? I agree with Bms sentiment. Sussex must win a 50 over game to dispel their past bogey and place the Wright/Davis revolution back on track. Including Mags strengthens the bowling. Me too, and yes, I believe Machan has a wrist injury To be honest, when he's recovered from this, I'd like to see him work on his game in the seconds, as Cachopa is doing
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 9:10:06 GMT
I thought Machan was injured? According to the Argus, yes. My point was that what purports to be a "match preview" on the Sussex website makes no mention of Machan or the reason for his absence, so that anybody who hasn't read the Argus might conclude that he has been dropped. And rather than just listing Magoffin's name in the squad, it might also have been an idea to say something informative, such as "Magoffin is in line for a rare one day appearance during a long period of white ball cricket in which Sussex has only one four day CC game in the next month". As hhs suggested, it rather implies that Sussex aren't very interested in the Royal London Cup. Perhaps that's one of the reasons we're not any good at it...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 9:16:27 GMT
I thought Machan was injured? According to the Argus, yes. My point was that what purports to be a "match preview" on the Sussex website makes no mention of Machan or the reason for his absence, so that anybody who hasn't read the Argus might conclude that he has been dropped. And rather than just listing Magoffin's name in the squad, it might also have been an idea to say something informative, such as "Magoffin is in line for a rare one day appearance during a long period of white ball cricket in which Sussex has only one four day CC game in the next month". As hhs suggested, it rather implies that Sussex aren't very interested in the Royal London Cup. Perhaps that's one of the reasons we're not any good at it... The club site says Machan has a wrist injury and Mags included to boost the bowling options. Not sure what more you can expect.
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