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Post by flashblade on Jun 25, 2016 18:31:00 GMT
Ok. So what percentage of those voting thought they were doing so in some sort of consultative capacity? Whether excusable or not. How am I supposed to know what percentage? How can I possibly know how many failed to inform themselves?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 18:34:59 GMT
So not a single remainer voted without a heavy heart and a light wallet. Boris was always going to be favourite for pm if Leave won. The turbulence around the result may count against him but the Conservative party doesn't appear better resourced with alternatives than Labour and The Hapless One.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 18:37:36 GMT
Ok. So what percentage of those voting thought they were doing so in some sort of consultative capacity? Whether excusable or not. How am I supposed to know what percentage? How can I possibly know how many failed to inform themselves? If it was all just some sort of market survey, then we've surely nothing to worry about. Presumably our cheques are in the post.
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Post by flashblade on Jun 25, 2016 18:40:41 GMT
So not a single remainer voted without a heavy heart and a light wallet. Boris was always going to be favourite for pm if Leave won. The turbulence around the result may count against him but the Conservative party doesn't appear better resourced with alternatives than Labour and The Hapless One. Can't unravel that sentence, stonewall. What does it mean, exactly? Sorry if I'm being dim, but I was never much good with double negatives!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 18:43:11 GMT
This result cannot be overturned without a complete loss of credibility in our voting system. We may not like the result but a re-run would be a disaster. It might not be overturned; another ballot might produce the same result. But such a momentous constitutional change should require a 60 per cent majority (as Remain achieved in Scotland) so a second referendum is necessary. Both Johnson and Farage ar different times advocated a second ballot if 'leave' lost. In Ireland, in 2001, the referendum on the Lisbon treaty was re-run on grounds of lack of accurate information being provided to the voting public. Nobody in Ireland says that the voting system now lacks "credibility." Such lies as the £350 million a week slogan on the 'leave' bus were far more misleading than anything in the Irish campaign and should be illegal and subject to investigation by the Electoral Commission.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 18:45:16 GMT
So not a single remainer voted without a heavy heart and a light wallet. Boris was always going to be favourite for pm if Leave won. The turbulence around the result may count against him but the Conservative party doesn't appear better resourced with alternatives than Labour and The Hapless One. Can't unravel that sentence, stonewall. What does it mean, exactly? Sorry if I'm being dim, but I was never much good with double negatives! Bm is stating that a significant number of Leave voters are regretting their decision, which I hope is true. He is conveniently assuming that not one of the Remainers has any reservations about the course they chose, which seems unlikely considering what a wretched choice we were asked to make.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 18:49:20 GMT
This result cannot be overturned without a complete loss of credibility in our voting system. We may not like the result but a re-run would be a disaster. It might not be overturned; another ballot might produce the same result. But such a momentous constitutional change should require a 60 per cent majority (as Remain achieved in Scotland) so a second referendum is necessary. Both Johnson and Farage ar different times advocated a second ballot if 'leave' lost. In Ireland, in 2001, the referendum on the Lisbon treaty was re-run on grounds of lack of accurate information being provided to the voting public. Nobody in Ireland says that the voting system now lacks "credibility." Such lies as the £350 million a week slogan on the 'leave' bus were far more misleading than anything in the Irish campaign and should be illegal and subject to investigation by the Electoral Commission. Your last point may be valid, but exactly what is the definition of an untruth in politics? The introduction of a different hurdle rate for a decision now is, frankly preposterous.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 19:00:30 GMT
My contribution to tonight's debate comes to an end. Supper's Ready.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 9:42:58 GMT
Petition went soaring past three million this morning. Among the Sussex sigantories is Jon Filby. Please join him and sign it at : petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215As Rory Bremner put it, Britain still great but our vision just got smaller.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 11:26:42 GMT
It seems content of Scottish parliament as well as UK parliament is required to endorse Brexit and Sturgeon is preprard to withold that consent?
In another scenario floating around the Westminster bubble, Johnson becomes PM, gets some significant concessions and serious opt-outs from other EU leaders as oppposed to the sham Cameron tried to sell and then as PM camapigns from remain in a second referendum.
One way or another,I'm growing increasingly sure this Berexit is never actually going to happen...
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Post by flashblade on Jun 26, 2016 11:30:44 GMT
It seems content of Scottish parliament as well as UK parliament is required to endorse Brexit and Sturgeon is preprard to withold that consent? In another scenario floating around the Westminster bubble, Johnson becomes PM, gets some significant concessions and serious opt-outs from other EU leaders as oppposed to the sham Cameron tried to sell and then as PM camapigns from remain in a second referendum. One way or another,I'm growing increasingly sure this Berexit is never actually going to happen... I think she (also?) said that the SNP members at Westminster may well block any Brexit vote in the Commons.
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Post by coverpoint on Jun 26, 2016 12:32:57 GMT
Second referendum petition is being investigated for fraud: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36634407BBC political correspondent Iain Watson says "the petition has attracted a lot of attention but has zero chance of being enacted, because it is asking for retrospective legislation. Our correspondent says some referendums do have thresholds but those clauses must be inserted in legislation before the vote so everyone is clear about the rules. You can't simply invent new hurdles if you are on the losing side, our correspondent says."
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 12:43:21 GMT
It seems content of Scottish parliament as well as UK parliament is required to endorse Brexit and Sturgeon is preprard to withold that consent? In another scenario floating around the Westminster bubble, Johnson becomes PM, gets some significant concessions and serious opt-outs from other EU leaders as oppposed to the sham Cameron tried to sell and then as PM camapigns from remain in a second referendum. One way or another,I'm growing increasingly sure this Berexit is never actually going to happen... I think she (also?) said that the SNP members at Westminster may well block any Brexit vote in the Commons. NS also doesn't actually know if there will be a vote in the Commons. Almost as uninformed as those voting in the referendum thinking the result would be binding.
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Post by flashblade on Jun 26, 2016 13:33:35 GMT
I think she (also?) said that the SNP members at Westminster may well block any Brexit vote in the Commons. NS also doesn't actually know if there will be a vote in the Commons. Almost as uninformed as those voting in the referendum thinking the result would be binding. Doesn't any decision to leave the EU require a vote in parliament?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 13:52:30 GMT
Apparently all Cameron needs to do is send a text.
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