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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2016 20:19:03 GMT
Genesis penned 'Selling England By The Pound' just before we voted to join. Now it's Carole King's turn - Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2016 21:28:32 GMT
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Post by coverpoint on Jun 23, 2016 7:37:26 GMT
A bad omen for Boris Johnson and co:
Editor Comments from the Racing Post No support for Brexit Brexit, the two-year-old filly cunningly plotted to run on polling day, is not proving too popular in the market. She can be backed at 20-1 to reward her supporters at Newbury this evening. 33 mins ago
Newbury 6.10 card Brexit form
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2016 17:03:10 GMT
The ballot paper for Sussex batsmen should have the following options:
Remain at the crease and build a big score.
Leave the crease after a careless shot.
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Post by hhsussex on Jun 24, 2016 5:55:08 GMT
All we have left is gallows humour. Some excellent tweets by Chris Nash:
Watching the news this morning is like watching the movie 'cocoon part 2, spring break'
And Seeing Nigel farage celebrate with lots of old people is something I never thought I would have to witness. #hesnotagoodman
If you voted leave and now wonder 'hmmm what have I done' you are a moron #clowns
The fact that Nigel farage is celebrating concerns me #hideous
And an outstanding one from Mr Banal himself, Matt Prior:
So are there actually any positives about leaving then? Doesn't seem so right now #EUref
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 8:08:44 GMT
Tragicallly Matt Prior is right.
An absolute catastrophe.
You can keep 'democracy' if it means demagogues telling preposterous lies and 'the people' being stupid enough to fall for it.
By November, Johnson as PM and Trump as US President - the nightmare they said could never happen is now a very real possibility.
Off to our family home in France next month. Perhaps we will just stay there and never come back.
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Post by joe on Jun 24, 2016 12:04:47 GMT
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Post by coverpoint on Jun 24, 2016 12:56:57 GMT
Under the first past the post system used in the general election the leave vote would have been far more convincing with 66% (253 constituencies out of 382) voting to leave. For me it was a vote against the establishment in Westminster and Brussels, a vote against the bankers and financial traders who caused the financial crash in 2008 for which we are still paying the cost of through eight years of austerity. Big business like the EU because of low wages and low taxes. For individuals it means not being able to afford a home, not being able to find a school for your child, not be able to get a doctor's appointment in less than two weeks and low wages. That was why I think so many people voted out. Look at the areas which voted out which are some of the most deprived parts of the country which have suffered the biggest Tory spending cuts.
Dave could not get a better deal the EU would not negotiate with us, we paid billions to them accepted silly laws, let dangerous people stay in the country because we could not deport them. We would not of been in this situation if the government had done their jobs and looked after our interests.
Why do you want to be part of a democracy that does not negotiate with it's people? All the EU cares about is getting cash and controlling the country's in the EU.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 22:27:42 GMT
For me it was a vote against the establishment in Westminster and Brussels, a vote against the bankers and financial traders who caused the financial crash in 2008 for which we are still paying the cost of through eight years of austerity. But what your vote "against the bankers" has bequeathed us is Scotland demanding independence, Northern Ireland’s fragile political settlement at risk, Marine Le Pen and the fascists wetting themselves with excitement, billions wiped off shares, the Bank of England stumping up £250bn to stabilise the market, petrol prices about to go up this weekend due to the plumetting pound and - worst of all - the lying 'give Bojo the Jobo' transiting from 'Have I Got News For You' to 10 Downing Street. Top reasoning - let's punish the bankers by dividing the United Kingdom and caning every working person in Britain. Well done, pal. It's customary in matters of major constitional change - whether we're talking sovereign nations or elite private members clubs voting to allow women into the pavilion - to set a bar higher than 50 per cent plus one, which is simply what Lord Hailshamn called 'elective dictatorship'. The requirement for a Brexit should have been 55 or even 60 per cent, otherwise the status quo prevails. If that sounds 'undemocratic ' , it's not. It's actually a very smart safety mechasnism to protect democracy against dishonest demagogery.
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Post by coverpoint on Jun 25, 2016 7:48:50 GMT
It's about making our own rules and decisions rather than governed by Europe. For me a bit of short-term pain is worth it if it results in long-term gain. The economy was slowing already. We have had eight years of austerity since the financial crisis in 2008. Politicians were talking about an economic recovery however people were not feeling it in their pockets. I feel this was vital to the outcome.
What was so great about being in the EU? Where was the benefit to the UK? From a trading perspective being in the EU makes it more difficult to trade with emerging economies like India and China. Being out of the EU will allow us to seize new openings and decide our own course.
I believe this was a protest vote against our politicans and the political elite who have ignored great swathes of the country by the way they have run the country over the last 30 years. This is a kick up the arse to the politicians at Westminster to start listening to the electorate and to start acting in the interests of the electorate.
The truth is the EU was crumbling even before this decision. Of the 28 countries how many are net contributors? It is not what it was as too many countries with weak economies have been allowed into it. I don't believe there will be an EU in 2 years time as three of the original six countries call for similar referendums.
I disagree that the bar for Brexit should have been set higher as that goes totally against democracy and we fought two world wars to avoid this. The truth is it was more democratic than the general election as it wasn't first past the post. For the record had it been first past the post the vote would have been Leave 66% and Remain 34%. The public in all parts of the country spoke with only London, Scotland and North Ireland voting to remain.
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Post by fraudster on Jun 25, 2016 8:27:46 GMT
A stunning victory for the hard working norms over the sleep walking city elite and their friends for the day, lefty liberals. Welcome back to the control panel Great Britain, the damage done by the EU has been considerable, but isn't irreparable.
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Post by flashblade on Jun 25, 2016 8:35:45 GMT
Someone posted a nice analogy on Twitter yesterday:
"Old people with too much time on their hands made terrible choices they won't have to deal with. Britain's basically become a cricket club."
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Post by fraudster on Jun 25, 2016 8:42:44 GMT
Someone posted a nice analogy on Twitter yesterday: "Old people with too much time on their hands made terrible choices they won't have to deal with. Britain's basically become a cricket club." LOL - I think the youth say.
If I have one niggle it's that most 70 year olds voted out and most under 25s voted in, and yes, the world is for the living. But the young needn't worry, they just don't realise yet that all of the things they think they're gonna lose, they will not.
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Post by flashblade on Jun 25, 2016 8:50:36 GMT
Someone posted a nice analogy on Twitter yesterday: "Old people with too much time on their hands made terrible choices they won't have to deal with. Britain's basically become a cricket club." LOL - I think the youth say.
If I have one niggle it's that most 70 year olds voted out and most under 25s voted in, and yes, the world is for the living. But the young needn't worry, they just don't realise yet that all of the things they think they're gonna lose, they will not.
We shall see. I'd hate to think that today's youth will one day look back on us as the despised generation.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 8:52:35 GMT
I disagree that the bar for Brexit should have been set higher as that goes totally against democracy and we fought two world wars to avoid this. You need to do some reading. It's widely known as a 'supermajority' in political theory and is common pratice in many democratic countries. 50 percent + 1 imposing their will on 50 per cent -1 is not necessarily democracy. It can just as easily be the tyranny of the majority and there are countless examples of it in history that have ended badly. Constitutional change in India and Japan , I think, requires a two-thirds majority. In New Zealand it is 64 per cent (no idea how they arrived at that figure!) In the USA, which calls itself the greatest democracy in the world, constitutional amendments have to be ratified by 75 per cent of the individual states (which avoids, for example, the situation we face in which the people of Scotland and Northern Ireland are undemocratically being dragged out of the EU against their will). The UN Security Council requires a 60 per cent majority (nine of its 15 members) on all substantive matters. So perfectly fair for you to say that tyou disagree and a 50 per cent +1 majority is fine as a simple majority. But quite incorrect to say that anything else "goes totally against democracy and we fought two world wars to avoid this."
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