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Post by maxh on Jul 17, 2014 11:59:19 GMT
Cook is utterly clueless.
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Post by maxh on Jul 17, 2014 12:06:04 GMT
And Prior drops one last ball before lunch. He can't survive much longer can he? That's two this morning.
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Post by wally on Jul 17, 2014 12:35:23 GMT
And Prior drops one last ball before lunch. He can't survive much longer can he? That's two this morning. That's probably right...as the tv commentators have spotted he is not fit and his Achilles still causes difficulty going to the right. He should not have been rushed back and clearly needs to be rested now...maybe he can play for Sussex as a batsman but his days as a keeper may be coming to an end. |
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Post by wally on Jul 17, 2014 12:53:34 GMT
Did Anderson hit him in the head like Warner did to Root? The allegation as I understand it is that Jadeja approached him to complain about his sledging and Anderson pushed him away. Handbags. You obviously have inside information, wally! But I really hope your info is wrong because if Anderson did push him away then he will be banned; you cannot put your hands on an opposing player and escape sanction. The Root v Warner bout was different as it happened away from any match and so was dealt with by CA not the ICC. The CA disciplinary panel banned Warner from the Champions Trophy for his action, of course. Three witnesses have given sworn affidavits to the ICC, and if they all confirm your information that Anderson did put his hands on Jadeja, then he will pay a high price. But I suggest we wait and see what the legal process decides before passing instant judgements from afar. My objection is not to whatever Anderson may have done - unlike you I have no inside account - but to the ECB's ill-considered response. One had hoped that with Flower gone, a new, less arrogant attitude would prevail. But the first few months of the Downton/Moores era have so far suggested that little has changed. Cricinfo is interesting on what the latest incident tells us about the unfortunate culture that surrounds 'Team England' :
"Maybe it is their sledging, maybe it is their media, maybe it is the perception of their hubris or maybe they are even innocent victims, but the England side is universally unpopular almost across the globe. Sri Lanka is the latest example of a team who were infuriated by their tactics.
To some extent, England may revel in such a reputation. They may claim that it unsettles their opponents and goads them into reckless moments.But there is equal evidence to suggest it goads them into career-best performances. Just consider Angelo Mathews at Headingley, George Bailey at Perth and Marlon Samuels at Trent Bridge. It is hard to avoid the conclusion that much of England's on-field behaviour is not just posturing, but self-defeating posturing."
Those wise words, perhaps surprisingly, were written by Dobell, who when he stops his own tabloid 'Cook is more mouse than Strauss' posturing, can sometimes talk much sense. I apologize to those who think I was claiming inside information. That was not my intent and I certainly did not think my words could be interpreted that way. I should have said " the allegation as I understand it from numerous reports in the press is .... However we will have to await the outcome because as we all know the British press are at their best unreliable . " It it was also reported, again perhaps unreliably, that the match referee did attempt to resolve the issue but the Indian management insisted a level three offense could not be dealt with by the match referee. as I understand it from many press reports , which again may not be accurate, no report was made by the umpires and the alleged offense did not take place on the field of play ( which may or not be relevant to the code of conduct) . Obviously the appropriate reaction forAnderson would have been ( if jadeja did approach him to engage in complaints about his sledging) would have been to walk away. Being a sledger of course instead of pushing he could have tried a witty sledge like p... off you little girl and go and play with your toys"....that might be offensive but not an offense. Frankly I believe all this Lancastrian poor behavior started with Henry the seventh and the Tudors. |
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Post by maxh on Jul 17, 2014 15:22:51 GMT
Okay, I'll give credit where credit is due, the Ali move was fair enough and got a wicket. Not a great piece of batting but a wicket nonetheless.
He's also holding an end up pretty well.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 10:47:14 GMT
I'm as critical of Team England and their culture, attitude and tactics as anyone. But I think they did OK to bowl India out for fewer than 300 and I think most would have taken that outcome before the toss.
So it must be exasperating for Moores and Cook to read the barrage of negative criticism on cricinfo. Undfer the headline "England squander golden opportunity" the report of yesterday's play chunters: "They wasted the new ball, they dropped chances and they reverted to the type of tactics that made little use of the sort of pitch of which England seamers should dream.They bowled substantially worse than they had at Trent Bridge."
They got a few things marginally wrong; you always will in 90 overs. Too short in the morning session and Prior was poor and has probably lost his place after this match. India may have got 50 runs more than they should have done but it was definitely one of England's better days in this long, winless run - and they still get slated for it.
There is an element in the press box that just loves England to fail and gets a kick out of sledging their every move. And I'm not talking about Shane Warne or the Indian correspondents but the English ones!
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Post by maxh on Jul 18, 2014 12:36:57 GMT
To be fair, watching Plunkett bowl bouncers down the leg side was pretty disheartening.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jul 18, 2014 14:57:48 GMT
bm,
It wasn't just 'Cricinfo' but TMS also who were very critical yesterday lead by Boycott. There is a growing frustration
emitting from the media which, perhaps, covers an assortment of complaints.
: Cook's Captaincy
: The sacking of Pietersen
: Moores appointment as coach
: The demise of England after 10 years of success
: The angst towards the ECB which is gaining momentum
: Lack of a quality spinner
: The seam attack looking jaded
: Too many fixtures
Almost, a sense of 'here we go again - years of England underperformance and disappointment ahead'. Certainly,
Boycott doesn't hold back with his criticism. Criticism which many agree with. Even Aggers was concurring.
If England lose against India then Cook must resign as captain. He's a great batsman but his loss of form is
exacerbated by his captaincy pressures. One notes he has 'made up' with Warne which is a beginning but Cook is
not the right leader. The problem being who can replace him? I am sure if there had been an obvious contender
Cook would not be Captain now.
England need to win and win consistently to get the critics off their back but at present there is no sign of this
happening in the near future.
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Post by flashblade on Jul 18, 2014 15:03:03 GMT
Sky comms are saying that Root would make a good captain - but refrain from saying when . . .
Graeme Smith was only 21 when SA made him captain. Root is 23, I think.
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Post by hhsussex on Jul 18, 2014 15:17:03 GMT
bm, It wasn't just 'Cricinfo' but TMS also who were very critical yesterday lead by Boycott. There is a growing frustration emitting from the media which, perhaps, covers an assortment of complaints. : Cook's Captaincy
: The sacking of Pietersen
: Moores appointment as coach
: The demise of England after 10 years of success
: The angst towards the ECB which is gaining momentum
: Lack of a quality spinner
: The seam attack looking jaded
: Too many fixturesAlmost, a sense of 'here we go again - years of England underperformance and disappointment ahead'. Certainly, Boycott doesn't hold back with his criticism. Criticism which many agree with. If England lose against India then Cook must resign as captain. He's a great batsman but his loss of form is exacerbated by his captaincy pressures. One notes he has 'made up' with Warne which is a beginning but Cook is not the right leader. The problem being who can replace him? I am sure if there had been an obvious contender Cook would not be Captain now. I'm sure borderman will have his own views, but this does seem to me to epitomise the issue that England's bowling performance yesterday was criticised not because it was a sub-standard bowling performance but because of all the other problems of management and captaincy you've highlighted, s and f. To be sure you could make a case - and Boycott made one with all the tact and understatement which have helped him to become a star earner on the rubber chicken circuit - that England bowled a little too short in the morning, and in the evening became frustrated when they couldn't get Rahane and Kumar out easily. But that would not have anything to do with whether Pietersen is here or in the Caribbean, nor to do directly with Moores, the upswelling of grief that we were trounced by Australia, or any one of those things. It may be attributable to Cook as a captain that he didn't urge them to a better length, but by and large he got a few things right yesterday, including giving Moeen Ali a lengthy spell. Regarding Ali's bowling, of course he would have had two wickets if Prior hadn't dropped one before lunch, and if Prior had held the catch off Broad in the 4th over, then we could have gone into lunch at 73-4, in which case Boycott and others might have had a bit less to say about the failings of the bowlers. In the end, India batted with some luck and skill in the later parts of the day and the final score didn't flatter them by a great deal. Those who underperformed included Prior and Plunkett, but it wasn't any kind of national disaster in the making. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 17:14:57 GMT
bm, It wasn't just 'Cricinfo' but TMS also who were very critical yesterday lead by Boycott. There is a growing frustration emitting from the media which, perhaps, covers an assortment of complaints. : Cook's Captaincy
: The sacking of Pietersen
: Moores appointment as coach
: The demise of England after 10 years of success
: The angst towards the ECB which is gaining momentum
: Lack of a quality spinner
: The seam attack looking jaded
: Too many fixturesBut most of that has nothing to to do with England's relative success in bowling India out for under 300 yesterday, does it? To run through your litany of England's 'sins' - I agree Cook is a terrbile captain; KP should not have been sacked; I would have prefered Graham Ford to Moores; the ECB is full of clever people making dumb decisions; we need a quality spinner; and therer are too many international fixtures. Broad, Anderson and Stokes didn't look jaded to me yesterday. With the exception of Prior who was awful, I thought England had one of their better days in the field. Yet the cry goes up 'we were worse than at Trent Bridge'. Nobody has been more critical of England's hubris over the last year than me. But ffs, when they have a decent day, you have to say so else you lose all credibility. And I thought they did OK yesterday against a high qualityy Indian batting line-up and this isd shaping up to be a cracking, closely contested Test match. |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jul 18, 2014 21:36:03 GMT
Given how Aggers is usually a strong supporter of the cricket establishment this is a surprisingly harsh critique of the England team and sums up the present frustration the media feel. "...the bowling has been inexcusably wayward on a helpful pitch..."www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/28378413 |
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Post by mrsdoyle on Jul 18, 2014 21:58:13 GMT
If India don't want DRS they don't have to use it, but they shouldn't be able to stop us from having recourse to it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 22:02:23 GMT
According to Dobell tonight on cricinfo, Cook will be ditched if he fails in the second innings.
Those who decided it had to be Cook or Pietersen and opted for the former have dealt English cricket a mortal blow.
With cricinfo suggesting the days of both Cook and Prior are numnbered and with Anderson facing what looks like an inevitable ban, that leaves only Broad and Bell from England's "world beating" side. And in the fullness of time, I think English cricket will benefit from one last, final clear-out of those who still linger from the side that Flower built and which over the last year has gone so rapidly from heroes to zeroes.
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Post by flashblade on Jul 19, 2014 10:47:14 GMT
According to Dobell tonight on cricinfo, Cook will be ditched if he fails in the second innings. Those who decided it had to be Cook or Pietersen and opted for the former have dealt English cricket a mortal blow. With cricinfo suggesting the days of both Cook and Prior are numnbered and with Anderson facing what looks like an inevitable ban, that leaves only Broad and Bell from England's "world beating" side. And in the fullness of time, I think English cricket will benefit from one last, final clear-out of those who still linger from the side that Flower built and which over the last year has gone so rapidly from heroes to zeroes. Some would say KP (by his later performances, and disruptive behaviour) had already dealt England a heavy blow. KP supporters should remember that he has fallen out with (and/or lost interest in) just about every dressing room he's been in. Strauss's graphic description of KP sounds about right to me. He just isn't a team player. End of. |
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