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Post by timbo1988 on Nov 25, 2016 8:44:35 GMT
On the CC Sussex appear to have a raw deal! Only playing Glamorgan, Gloucestershire, Northants and Derbyshire once all of whom you would expect to appear lower down the table whereas we play the more difficult teams twice!
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Post by hhsussex on Nov 25, 2016 9:08:33 GMT
A key feature I missed in my summary was our share in the round of floodlit champrionship matches. This will be the Gloucestershire game at Hove, starting on 26 June, starting at 14.00. Since this is the birthday of Mrs HH, I wonder if I can entice her along with romantic references to a candlelit dinner....or a burger from the van?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2016 9:09:43 GMT
On the CC Sussex appear to have a raw deal! Only playing Glamorgan, Gloucestershire, Northants and Derbyshire once all of whom you would expect to appear lower down the table whereas we play the more difficult teams twice! Yes, the odds against promotion have just lengthened considerably with Sussex having to play twice against all of the four strongest sides - Notts, Durham, Worcs and Kent. Kent are worth a serious flutter for promotion. The fixture list has been kinder to them and they only play Notts and Worcs once. They play Notts under floodlights,too, so that may turn what might have been the toughest game of the season for them into something of a lottery. I'd say it's pretty short odds on Notts and Kent for promotion...
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Post by hhsussex on Nov 25, 2016 9:19:29 GMT
On the CC Sussex appear to have a raw deal! Only playing Glamorgan, Gloucestershire, Northants and Derbyshire once all of whom you would expect to appear lower down the table whereas we play the more difficult teams twice! Yes, the odds against promotion have just lengthened considerably with Sussex having to play twice against all of the four strongest sides - Notts, Durham, Worcs and Kent. Kent are worth a serious flutter for promotion. The fixture list has been incredibly kind to them and they only play Notts, Durham and Worcs once. I'd say it's pretty short odds on Notts and Kent for promotion... I think there are a few caveats at this stage, such as squad strength and fitness by next spring, international calls, form, weather, and the interesting one of whether Durham's two match maximum points deduction weighs on them negatively or spurs them into righteous determination! Its a funny old game and while noting the strength of your point, I'll keep my predictive powder dry till next Spring.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2016 9:26:05 GMT
Yes, but if you were Godfrey Evans (or whoever Ladbrokes employs now in his old role) and were setting the odds for next season, you must admit Notts and Kent are some way out in front as the two favourites?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2016 9:31:32 GMT
something like:
Notts evens
Kent 2-1
Worcs 4-1
Sussex 6-1
Northants 10-1
Durham 12-1
Glos 14-1
Leics 14-1
Derbys 16-1
Glam 16-1
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Post by hhsussex on Nov 25, 2016 9:33:23 GMT
Better odds than last year when Sussex were out in front!
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Post by hhsussex on Nov 25, 2016 15:17:49 GMT
something like: Notts evens Kent 2-1 Worcs 4-1 Sussex 6-1 Northants 10-1 Durham 12-1 Glos 14-1 Leics 14-1 Derbys 16-1 Glam 16-1 As I said earlier its a funny old game and I've amused myself by having a look at one of the old assymetric seasons, 1968, the last in which 28 games were played each by 17 counties. I wanted to see if there was a significant effect by playing some strong or fancied teams just once, and by playing reputedly weaker sides twice. I had a look at Yorkshire, winners in 1967 and again in 1968, to see who they played twice and which were their "easy games" of single ties. In 1967 by the way the pecking order had been Yorkshire, Kent, Leicestershire (the latter two equal on points) and Surrey, some way behind. Yorkshire played 14 teams twice and their 4 single ties were home to Hampshire and Sussex (both draws) and away to Essex (lost) and Northants (draws). The best placed of these sides at the end was Hampshire in 5th, Essex being 14th and Sussex bottom. From their double-header games they won 11, drew 10 and lost 3. Top 4 at the end of the season were Yorkshire, Kent, Glamorgan and Notts. The only results in these games were v Glamorgan, one won by Yorkshire, the other by Glamorgan. Of the other form teams in 1967 Leicestershire were beaten decisively in both games, once by an innings and once by over a 100 runs. Knowing your cricket history very well you'll be aware that the decisive influences on Leicestershire from 1967 to 1968 were the departure of Tony Lock as captain and 100 wickets bowler, and the frequent absences for Tests of Barry Knight. Contrastingly Notts engaged Gary Sobers and ascended de profundis. Nothing conclusive of course, but it does suggest that assumed status on historical grounds can't be relied on as a predictor of events.
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Post by philh on Nov 25, 2016 15:54:48 GMT
Interesting research hhsussex. When Captain Cook opted to play out a draw at Hove last season, I did feel that he saw Sussex as the main threat to promotion so not losing was more important. I do (already) worry that early season games tend to be more cautious and, given the fixtures, we could be undefeated again by July but nowhere near promotion because of no/few wins. We will see.
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Post by hhsussex on Nov 25, 2016 16:08:17 GMT
Interesting research hhsussex . When Captain Cook opted to play out a draw at Hove last season, I did feel that he saw Sussex as the main threat to promotion so not losing was more important. I do (already) worry that early season games tend to be more cautious and, given the fixtures, we could be undefeated again by July but nowhere near promotion because of no/few wins. We will see. Good points all round. I agree about Essex at Hove, and also in that first half Sussex were too cautious, and hampered by absent and unfit players, to get the bonus points that would have been a buttress later on. I'm not a fan of the bonus points system, particularly the bowling points, but so long as its there it really does have a colossal effect when there is an imbalance of drawn games.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2016 17:16:22 GMT
Nothing conclusive of course, but it does suggest that assumed status on historical grounds can't be relied on as a predictor of events. But I'd suggest that recent history shows that big counties with Test match grounds who get relegated tend to go straight back up - Yorks, Lancs, Surrey etc. Notts are clearly in that category and must be favourites by a mile to win Div Two.
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Post by invicta1977 on Nov 25, 2016 17:56:52 GMT
Just 15 hours of cricket at Hove between 9th July and 25th August. Yep. Without breaking the embargo from what I can see only Essex, Kent and Derbyshire get to host any red ball cricket during this period. And Essex and Kent's games are against the WI, so I guess there's a chance that one might turn into a day/night affair to provide the tourists with practice for the Edgbaston Test. I'm sure Kent will embrace the post-truth zeitgeist and insist that Canterbury Week is still alive and well. One three-day match and two evening slogs do not, however, a festival week make. A woeful fixture list, as anticipated. I'm just thankful that I was around to enjoy much of the golden age of county cricket.
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Post by jim on Nov 25, 2016 18:05:27 GMT
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THE BIG FIVE
Sussex - Notts x2, Durham x2, Kent x2, Worcs x2
Kent - Sussex x2, Durham x2,Worcs x1, Notts x1
Notts - Sussex x2, Worcs x2, Durham x1, Kent x1
Worcs - Sussex x2, Notts x2, Durham x2, Kent x1,
Durham - Sussex x2, Worcs x2, Kent x2, Notts x1
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Post by hhsussex on Nov 25, 2016 18:24:50 GMT
Yep. Without breaking the embargo from what I can see only Essex, Kent and Derbyshire get to host any red ball cricket during this period. And Essex and Kent's games are against the WI, so I guess there's a chance that one might turn into a day/night affair to provide the tourists with practice for the Edgbaston Test. I'm sure Kent will embrace the post-truth zeitgeist and insist that Canterbury Week is still alive and well. One three-day match and two evening slogs do not, however, a festival week make. A woeful fixture list, as anticipated. I'm just thankful that I was around to enjoy much of the golden age of county cricket.You never struck me as being that old - that transpontine air must keep you youthful
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Post by invicta1977 on Nov 25, 2016 18:56:50 GMT
And Essex and Kent's games are against the WI, so I guess there's a chance that one might turn into a day/night affair to provide the tourists with practice for the Edgbaston Test. I'm sure Kent will embrace the post-truth zeitgeist and insist that Canterbury Week is still alive and well. One three-day match and two evening slogs do not, however, a festival week make. A woeful fixture list, as anticipated. I'm just thankful that I was around to enjoy much of the golden age of county cricket.You never struck me as being that old - that transpontine air must keep you youthful Ha ha. I guess there are several claims for such a title, but I'll submit that county cricket has never enjoyed such a high standard and diversity of skills than in the era when a sizeable chunk of the World's finest players were playing day in, day out.
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