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Post by chris3450 on Nov 9, 2016 13:00:33 GMT
Cricinfo, copying the Sussex press release, have a sub-hea ding that promises a lot more than it delivers : South Africa future not clarified.
It is dangerous to make too many assumptions, particularly where Sussex overseas signings are concerned, but you would hope that we haven't signed somebody who will lose most of next summer as a tourist with either the full South African side or their A team. And yet 16 out of his last 26 first class games have been played for these sides. It looks as if he has been passed over for a slightly younger generation from this autumn, and after a hundred in his first Test his scores have not been overwhelming, but is he definitely out of the picture? Has he been given something more than a hint, as a result of which he has told his agent he is free to commit?
It sounds as if he has renounced his Test career to sign a three year deal with Sussex as a Kolpak sounds like .... but I've seen nothing anywhere to say he's a kolpak rather than having a european relation up his sleeve or a proper full overseas. Hence coming on here to see what you're all saying. The club statement was silent on his status. |
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Post by flashblade on Nov 9, 2016 13:09:58 GMT
It sounds as if he has renounced his Test career to sign a three year deal with Sussex as a Kolpak sounds like .... but I've seen nothing anywhere to say he's a kolpak rather than having a european relation up his sleeve or a proper full overseas. Hence coming on here to see what you're all saying. The club statement was silent on his status. Can the club please clarify - thanks. |
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Post by hhsussex on Nov 9, 2016 13:13:14 GMT
"What now for Stiaan van Zyl?
If Stiaan van Zyl decided he’d had enough and he’s off to sign a Kolpak contract, nobody would blame him. His career’s trajectory has been unfortunate. Despite putting in the hard yards in domestic cricket season after season, there was never space for him in the Test squad. When his chance eventually came, he scored a century on debut. But soon, the spot that he had carved out in first class cricket was no longer available in the Test team and he was shovelled up the order to become a makeshift opener. That experiment didn’t work and before you could say “unlucky” he was back batting down the order. Unfortunately for Van Zyl, he didn’t exactly score buckets of runs and in the one and only first class outing of the season so far he scored one and two, in a Cobras side where discontent is rumbling around the coach"
www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2016-10-11-cricket-four-talking-points-around-south-africas-test-squad-to-tour-oz/#.WCMgSCQlfIU
Plenty of smoke, but no proof of fire.
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Post by hhsussex on Nov 9, 2016 15:15:34 GMT
sounds like .... but I've seen nothing anywhere to say he's a kolpak rather than having a european relation up his sleeve or a proper full overseas. Hence coming on here to see what you're all saying. The club statement was silent on his status. Can the club please clarify - thanks. Got your answer: Sussex CCC @sussexccc 8m8 minutes ago @sxcforum Non-overseas signing (Kolpak) |
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Post by chris3450 on Nov 9, 2016 15:58:28 GMT
thanks
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Post by leedsgull on Nov 9, 2016 16:10:51 GMT
Potentially a very good signing. I think the Kolpak floodgates have opened again, which I do not object to. I just wonder if any lawyers out there can clarify the situation post brexit?
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Post by fraudster on Nov 9, 2016 19:17:27 GMT
Potentially a very good signing. I think the Kolpak floodgates have opened again, which I do not object to. I just wonder if any lawyers out there can clarify the situation post brexit? They might be able to when we're at the post Brexit stage.
This chap is a batsman and he is a Kolpak. Given what I think I know of Van Zyl, and people on here, most of you should be quite pleased. As usual I am caught between my desire for us to do well and my will for us to not employ Kolpaks. Our coach is a Kolpak so I shouldn't be, and ain't, surprised. Van Zyl will score runs but Finch and Salt will score fewer than they should.
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Post by hhsussex on Nov 9, 2016 20:48:16 GMT
Potentially a very good signing. I think the Kolpak floodgates have opened again, which I do not object to. I just wonder if any lawyers out there can clarify the situation post brexit? They might be able to when we're at the post Brexit stage.
This chap is a batsman and he is a Kolpak. Given what I think I know of Van Zyl, and people on here, most of you should be quite pleased. As usual I am caught between my desire for us to do well and my will for us to not employ Kolpaks. Our coach is a Kolpak so I shouldn't be, and ain't, surprised. Van Zyl will score runs but Finch and Salt will score fewer than they should.
Not that fact ever troubles you, but in what way is a county coach a Kolpak player? Do you mean he is "not English"? Could you explain the thought processes behind " Van Zyl will score runs but Finch and Salt will score fewer than they should."? How will the fact that Van Zyl scores runs (if he does) inhibit the number of runs that Finch and Salt score (assuming that they are fit and in form )? |
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Post by fraudster on Nov 9, 2016 21:44:28 GMT
I know why you're touchy HH - it's Brexump isn't it? Or Trumpit. Let's hope Corbyn don't peg-out overnight cos that might send you over the edge.
Davis was a Kolpak player and Finch and Salt will not play as much as they should, because of a Kolpak player. Remind me how many overseas players a county is allowed - don't bother, I already know.
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Post by freddy838 on Nov 9, 2016 22:05:05 GMT
Davis had a British passport, rather than being a Kolpak in his playing days.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 6:35:16 GMT
Am in SA for three weeks. Am due to see him play next week. Will have a chat with him and report back!
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Post by hhsussex on Nov 10, 2016 6:46:05 GMT
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Post by flashblade on Nov 10, 2016 8:10:59 GMT
The article also quotes Davis as saying that Ed Joyce is still "undecided". He was given a deadline of 31 October, and this procrastination is not helping Davis rebuild the squad. |
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Post by hhsussex on Nov 10, 2016 8:40:19 GMT
The article also quotes Davis as saying that Ed Joyce is still "undecided". He was given a deadline of 31 October, and this procrastination is not helping Davis rebuild the squad. It does, but I'm inclined to think this is just a form of words to be trotted out while Sussex get on with confirming the other acquisition. Van Zyl won't have come cheap, however much he had decided that his international career was limited, and Sussex will want to preserve their negotiating position. By maintaining the idea that Joyce is just about to re-sign they can restrain the demands of a prospective player and his agent, but as soon as he has gone they will be told "well you can afford it now you're not paying Ed's salary", whatever the sum. |
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Post by flashblade on Nov 10, 2016 9:53:24 GMT
The article also quotes Davis as saying that Ed Joyce is still "undecided". He was given a deadline of 31 October, and this procrastination is not helping Davis rebuild the squad. It does, but I'm inclined to think this is just a form of words to be trotted out while Sussex get on with confirming the other acquisition. Van Zyl won't have come cheap, however much he had decided that his international career was limited, and Sussex will want to preserve their negotiating position. By maintaining the idea that Joyce is just about to re-sign they can restrain the demands of a prospective player and his agent, but as soon as he has gone they will be told "well you can afford it now you're not paying Ed's salary", whatever the sum. Fine from a negotiating viewpoint, but Davis actually needs to know whether Joyce is in or out. |
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