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Post by Wicked Cricket on Nov 10, 2016 11:32:06 GMT
Given what I have read in the Hollis article, Van Zyl seems a promising signing. He's made quite a sacrifice in becoming a Kolpak, so his determination to prove himself as a cricketer in England will be strong.
Zyl fits the all-rounder niche; he's South African which usually brings a mental edge; and at 29 years-old holds a lot of experience including International appearances. I look forward to watching him. Hopefully, a shrewd signing from Davis.
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Post by jonboy on Nov 14, 2016 9:58:52 GMT
Hopefully we get these signings right, but yes, this appears to be a good start. Most of us were also happy with the signings of Cachopa, Mills, Shahzad and Briggs though, but for various reasons, none could be considered a success, well so far anyway. Cachopa's form completely disappearing was a real mystery, whilst injury and fitness issues have dogged Mills and Shahzad. Briggs still has time on his side, but it's fair to say that, we expected more from last years prestige signing.
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Post by hhsussex on Nov 14, 2016 13:27:42 GMT
Hopefully we get these signings right, but yes, this appears to be a good start. Most of us were also happy with the signings of Cachopa, Mills, Shahzad and Briggs though, but for various reasons, none could be considered a success, well so far anyway. Cachopa's form completely disappearing was a real mystery, whilst injury and fitness issues have dogged Mills and Shahzad. Briggs still has time on his side, but it's fair to say that, we expected more from last years prestige signing. As I've commented earlier in the thread, there is a concern that Van Zyl has lost form very considerably over the last year or so. It may be because he was played out of positioin when picked for South Africa, but it could also be that he has lost self-confidence after a poor run in the South Africa and Sourth Africa A sides. I'm sure that the sense of disappointment he felt was a contributory factor to his interest in and acceptance of the Sussex offer, and a three-year contract does suggest a degree of determionation to find another path to success. Meanwhile there is a hiatus in the South African first-class and List A competitions while the CSA T20 takes place. Van Zyl isn't in the squad for the Cabe Cobras T20 team so perhaps he has a space to recharge his batteries?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 18:18:54 GMT
Failed in my mission to have a chat with him. Went to see the Cobras - only to find he wasn't in their squad.
Nobody seemed able to explain why, although I was assured he wasn't injured.
What I did learn is that he's a strong-willed character who has announced that, after an unhappy experience opening the batting, he now refuses to bat in the top three and insists on batting between four and six.
His bowling was also described to me as "negligible" and "fifth seamer" status - so he isn't the RMJ replacement that MD says we are seeking.
It would appear Sussex have signed SVZ purely as next season's Ross Taylor-style gun batsman and so the pressure will be on him to deliver big runs.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Dec 7, 2016 14:19:37 GMT
Is there a Proteas conspiracy at work?
ECB young county cricket journalist, Will Macpherson, Twitter
That's now 3 players to represent South Africa in last year (Harmer, van Zyl, now Hardus Nails) signed up as kolpaks in county cricket. Mmm.
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Post by hhsussex on Dec 7, 2016 15:57:54 GMT
Is there a Proteas conspiracy at work? ECB young county cricket journalist, Will Macpherson, TwitterThat's now 3 players to represent South Africa in last year (Harmer, van Zyl, now Hardus Nails) signed up as kolpaks in county cricket. Mmm.On the one hand, yes, Mmm meaning that there are players in South African cricket who feel threatened by the quota system and are more willing to look at lucrative longer-term English county deals. On the other hand, this www.alloutcricket.com/features/south-african-transformation-dont-know excellent and thoughtful piece in All Out Cricket by Telford Vice stresses the problems and uncertainties for cricketers in South Africa. Probably the best and truest thing in the whole piece, which ranges over the liberal attitudes versus pure ability argument, comparability with other cricketing countries which don't have the same political background, and the sheer uncertainty of selections, is this from Ashwell Prince a "player of colour" and a stalwart of South Africa “Whatever the policies in place let’s look at the quality of the players and let’s talk about that.” Perhaps the linking factor in the three names quoted above is that they all had a run in the international side, or at least a couple of matches, and simply didn't make big enough waves to retain their places.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 9:31:27 GMT
Is there a Proteas conspiracy at work? ECB young county cricket journalist, Will Macpherson, TwitterThat's now 3 players to represent South Africa in last year (Harmer, van Zyl, now Hardus Nails) signed up as kolpaks in county cricket. Mmm.Kent supporters really hacked off that Viljoen has prefered Derbyshire over them, as his signing at the end of last season finally gave Matt Coles a decent new ball partner. That Kent do not at present have a coach is making it difficult for them to attract players. But assistant coach Matt Walker is claiming that basically they lost out because Derbyshire have more money. He told a Kent members Xmas carvery last week that the Derby package was worth £170k and that Kent had put a ceiling budget of £120k on the signing. Those figures are not purely salary, of course. They include first-class air tickets, six months accommodation and car hire and the costs of at least one family visit. But Derbyshire's ambition has to be commended.
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Post by hhsussex on Dec 13, 2016 7:20:59 GMT
Will Macpherson in the Guardian ( www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/dec/12/south-africa-test-player-drain-english-counties-kolpak-deals?CMP=share_btn_tw) writing about the incentives for South African fringe Test players to become Kolpaks in England and the likelihood that more will follow. His point that the salary levels, aided by the weak Rand, are almost three times as high in England seems astonishing but if true, the only surprise is that more are not attracted to come over here. He also writes about another driver being the wish to get some job security before Brexit closes off the Kolpak route, but it seems unlikely that this will be tested before the Conservative party announces its negotiating strategy, so they will probably have retired and drawn their pensions before there is any change.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Dec 13, 2016 9:24:44 GMT
Hhs, The arrangement provides players with greater job security, but also greater remuneration; with the Rand weak, Van Zyl – who played 12 Tests before being dropped in August – has a contract with Sussex that is understood to be worth roughly three times as much as his deal with the Cobras in Cape Town.
I have no idea what Macpherson is talking about and I suspect nor does he. If you look at the Rand v Pound currency 2 year chart below, levels are similar to what they were 24 months ago. There has been a dip during the interim period agreed but not now. Whether it be the Stock Market or Currency Exchange there is always a massive risk guessing the financial future and I cannot believe, for one second, that professional cricketers are also astute currency traders and have chosen to play in England because of the perceived future Rand weakness against the pound. As for the claim that Zyl's contract with Sussex is "roughly three times as much" as his previous Cobras deal, what does he base this information on? Just as what hearsay made him suggest Jon Filby could become the next Sussex CCC Chairman? Macpherson may be the "ECB Young County Cricket Journalist of the Year" but god forbid he becomes another George Dobell or Lizzie Ammon and the spurious claims and fantasies that may follow. He's doing a good job of it so far though. Perhaps, Macpherson should keep wearing that jockey cap of his and become a light comic entertainer with a Geordie accent instead? Q: Pssst! Why is money called dough?A: Because we all knead it!www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=ZAR&to=GBP&view=2Y
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 10:04:38 GMT
Think you are overreacting there, s&f.
You are right that it's got v little to do with the value of the rand (I know - I've just come back from three weeks in SA), but MacPherson's overall point is correct that salary levels are three times as high in county cricket as in SA and it has been that way for years. In fact, I'm surprised it is only three times as high and not four or five : Ryan McLaren told me several years ago that he could make more money as a kolpak playing county cricket than he could make playing international cricket for South Africa, let alone in domestic SA cricket.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 10:16:57 GMT
ps: according to 'reliable sources' AB De Villers received a salary of £120k last year from CSA. That's top of the scale for the captain and best player, so work downwards from there and you will realise how little Van Zyl is making in SA...
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Dec 13, 2016 10:45:26 GMT
Bm, MacPherson's overall point is correct that salary levels are three times as high in county cricket as in SA and it has been that way for yearsI am not doubting that. My comment came more from Macpherson's perceived suggestion this was due to the weakness of the Rand. Which proffers the question: Why don't a battalion of Proteas come and play for county cricket? As you say, £120k a year for CSA is a pitiful amount, if true, when the centrally-contracted England players can gain £1m each after all the additional bonuses. I am amazed by this low figure. I can fully understand why South African cricketers become Kolpaks. www.totalsportek.com/cricket/england-player-salaries/sportsmaza.com/cricket/south-african-cricketers-salary/My understanding of county cricketer wages is that the top ones earn anywhere between £100k and £150k a year; and if appointed Captain, perhaps, even more.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 10:55:53 GMT
As you say, £120k a year for CSA is a pitiful amount, if true, when the centrally-contracted England players gain over £1m each. I am amazed by this low figure. I can fully understand why South African cricketers become Kolpaks. De Villiers has lucrative sponsorships and deals with Investec and others that will more than double his income - and the good life in SA is very cheap compared to Europe (£4.50 top price for a Test match ticket at the Wanderers!) But the core element paid by CSA is pitifully low and the likes of Van Zyl would not have the same capacity for 'topping up' the basic pay with the kind of deals someone like De Villiers can attract, of course...
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Post by hhsussex on Jan 31, 2017 12:01:41 GMT
The most recent round of the South Africa Sunfoil first class series, concluding on Sunday, pitted Titans against Cape Cobras, and David Wiese against Stiaan Van Zyl. I can only go by the scorecard figures but there seems to be a massive contrast in performance and recent form between the two players. Van Zyl scored 12, and 18 not out as Cobras won the game, but his record this season from 16 innings is 387 runs at just under 30 with a top score of 83. Wiese, batting at 8 in the order, scored 4 and 2, but took 5-41 in 26 overs in the Titans first innings, and his season's first class return is 200 runs at 28.57 and 15 wickets at 33.40.
There are two more rounds of first-class games left in the South African season, and while both players have good T20 skills - Wiese particularly - Sussex are going to need some strong batting from Van Zyl in the first half of the championship season particularly to avoid putting even more pressure on the uncapped younger players. Let's hope he finds some form to round off the season and give him some confidence to bring over to Sussex in April.
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Post by hhsussex on Feb 4, 2017 8:01:45 GMT
The most recent round of the South Africa Sunfoil first class series, concluding on Sunday, pitted Titans against Cape Cobras, and David Wiese against Stiaan Van Zyl. I can only go by the scorecard figures but there seems to be a massive contrast in performance and recent form between the two players. Van Zyl scored 12, and 18 not out as Cobras won the game, but his record this season from 16 innings is 387 runs at just under 30 with a top score of 83. Wiese, batting at 8 in the order, scored 4 and 2, but took 5-41 in 26 overs in the Titans first innings, and his season's first class return is 200 runs at 28.57 and 15 wickets at 33.40. There are two more rounds of first-class games left in the South African season, and while both players have good T20 skills - Wiese particularly - Sussex are going to need some strong batting from Van Zyl in the first half of the championship season particularly to avoid putting even more pressure on the uncapped younger players. Let's hope he finds some form to round off the season and give him some confidence to bring over to Sussex in April. The power of positive thinking, or an indication of the strength of the will to succeed emanating from this forum! Van Zyl got 106 yesterday for Cobras against Knights, breaking a miserable run of 23 innings with only 4 50s. May the force be with you....
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