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Post by Wicked Cricket on Apr 17, 2017 14:03:57 GMT
Archer out. All over bar the groans. A Massive disappointment from the batters/bowlers except for Brown and Archer. Good to see Shahzad back to his pomp. Now it's down to Yardy.
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Post by hhsussex on Apr 17, 2017 14:19:03 GMT
Archer out. All over bar the groans. A Massive disappointment from the batters/bowlers except for Brown and Archer. Good to see Shahzad back to his pomp. Now it's down to Yardy.Not completely. It is now the responsibility of the new chairman and chief executive to look at what they have inherited and decide if it is fit for purpose. That includes: The coaching structure - do we need a proper Director of Cricket, somebody with real prestige and experience at the top level in the game to come in and decide which of the myriad old boys on the staff is good enough to provide expertise when and as needed. The recruitment and selection process - Captain or Coach or Director? Who makes the decisions and what are the principles on which they are taken? Day to day performance - Does the captain have the strength of personality and respect from his team that we all hoped? His words have all been strong and inspiring but the performance has been woeful, and his own form has been dismal outside of one-day cricket. Similarly, does the head coach have enough charisma to inspire superlative performance from all of the team, all of the time? This isn't a knee jerk reaction in the face of this one defeat, dreadful though it is. On this forum most of us have been saying these things, particularly about the structure of the performance setup for a long time. There is no more benefit of the doubt to be extended. The club has some excellent players and some very good ones, and with rare exceptions, none of them have been living up to their own talent. Something has to change right away or else the club will dwindle into the mediocre trough of the perpetual second division sides.
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Post by jonboy on Apr 17, 2017 14:21:47 GMT
Archer out. All over bar the groans. A Massive disappointment from the batters/bowlers except for Brown and Archer. Good to see Shahzad back to his pomp. Now it's down to Yardy.Not completely. It is now the responsibility of the new chairman and chief executive to look at what they have inherited and decide if it is fit for purpose. That includes: The coaching structure - do we need a proper Director of Cricket, somebody with real prestige and experience at the top level in the game to come in and decide which of the myriad old boys on the staff is good enough to provide expertise when and as needed. The recruitment and selection process - Captain or Coach or Director? Who makes the decisions and what are the principles on which they are taken? Day to day performance - Does the captain have the strength of personality and respect from his team that we all hoped? His words have all been strong and inspiring but the performance has been woeful, and his own form has been dismal outside of one-day cricket. Similarly, does the head coach have enough charisma to inspire superlative performance from all of the team, all of the time? This isn't a knee jerk reaction in the face of this one defeat, dreadful though it is. On this forum most of us have been saying these things, particularly about the structure of the performance setup for a long time. There is no more benefit of the doubt to be extended. The club has some excellent players and some very good ones, and with rare exceptions, none of them have been living up to their own talent. Something has to change right away or else the club will dwindle into the mediocre trough of the perpetual second division sides. Well said
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magik
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Post by magik on Apr 17, 2017 14:50:03 GMT
What a shame we didn't even put up a fight other than Ben Brown. On a positive note Jofra Archer looks to continue this season where he left off last and Shadzad hopefully might give us some extra fire power. I do hope they bring Garton or Whittingham in for the next match as well alongside Mags.
Batting looks awful, we need to get rid of this recruiting ex-players onto the coaching/management staff attitude and get some people in who have earned their stripes!
I'm secretly hoping Phillander isn't able to stay on and we can get a good batsman in instead. Can't understand he logic of giving Wiese a three year contract either, he hardly lit up the world last year.
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magik
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Post by magik on Apr 17, 2017 14:51:44 GMT
But... trying to stay positive. A few changes here and there with a bit of luck on our side I'm confident we can win games this year!!!
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Apr 17, 2017 15:45:36 GMT
Hhs,
It is now the responsibility of the new chairman and chief executive to look at what they have inherited and decide if it is fit for purpose.
After the embarrassing loss this afternoon, all credit to Rob Andrew, who appeared in the Spen Cama Pavilion and began talking to various Members who were airing their views of the match. I am sure Andrew already knows the problems facing the squad; and no doubt he has opinions on what can be done to rectify them. But who does he talk to? Mark Davis, Keith Greenfield or speak directly to the players?
It is unfair to make sweeping judgments given this is the first game, but I would place Van Zyl and Evans in the 2nd XI for some matches to help build their confidence. Meanwhile, we hope Wells will return soon.
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Post by joe on Apr 17, 2017 15:56:04 GMT
Over two innings the three Saffers have contributed 71 runs and 1 wicket. Not good enough, not nearly good enough.
Compare that to Roussouw and Abbott for Hants, 155 runs and 7 wickets.
Wright should stick to white ball cricket and hand the CC captaincy to Brown.
Keith Greenfield should stick to the recreational game and hand over the DoC to someone more visible and vocal.
And if you don't perform you don't play, simple!
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Apr 17, 2017 16:05:55 GMT
The interviews come thick and fast and here is the first from Ben Brown who was the only one who showed true grit and determination in both innings. But sadly the scratched record about injuries crops up in this very first match and no doubt may be a returning theme throughout the season. Am in agreement with joe. What about if Ben Brown Captains the Championship side and Luke Wright the ODs? www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DNkeEgVEys&feature=youtu.be
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magik
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Post by magik on Apr 17, 2017 16:26:58 GMT
The interviews come thick and fast and here is the first from Ben Brown who was the only one who showed true grit and determination in both innings. But sadly the scratched record about injuries crops up in this very first match and no doubt may be a returning theme throughout the season. Am in agreement with joe. What about if Ben Brown Captains the Championship side and Luke Wright the ODs? www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DNkeEgVEys&feature=youtu.be Spot on Joe and softandfluffy. Give Brown red ball captaincy but let Wright continue in the white ball stuff.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Apr 17, 2017 17:14:16 GMT
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Post by coverpoint on Apr 17, 2017 20:02:39 GMT
What else can we expect after another winter of poor signings? Angus Robson is the latest panic signing. The South Africans did nothing and nor did Evans.
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Post by grandavefan on Apr 18, 2017 8:18:33 GMT
CP, do you really think SCCC are going to attract TOP players in the position they are in? They can't and won't, fact. They'll have a job keeping some if things don't improve. I think the talent is in the squad, getting the mix and motivation is the problem. The saffers, well, lets see, give SVZ a chance. DW, I tend to agree expensive. Lets wait and see what happens when CJ returns, will he be accommodated (DW) or will LW pick the right team to win? I think that's when we shall see the strategy and management. I have thought for a while now, KG has to take responsibility for the situation. His lack of focus for 4-5 years as academy boss has borne too few.
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Post by madmickeyt on Apr 18, 2017 8:32:49 GMT
a respectful lack of gloating in the Kent section?
after your good first innings recovery, I don't think us Kent fans felt home and dry till the final wicket fell!
interesting to hear fans' opinions about the coaching set up, and I wonder if we would have got this performance and result under Jimmy Adams. Maybe, maybe not.
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Post by joe on Apr 18, 2017 9:06:59 GMT
What else can we expect after another winter of poor signings? Angus Robson is the latest panic signing. The South Africans did nothing and nor did Evans. Philander was a great signing on paper and I was sure van Zyl would score plenty in the second tier of the CC. There's obviously something lacking elsewhere in the club as none of our recent O/S have performed as well as was expected. Perhaps it's the coach, perhaps it's the captain but whatever it is it needs addressing otherwise we'll be in the same position as we were at the end of last season.
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Post by flashblade on Apr 18, 2017 9:35:00 GMT
I fear that the club is continuing to reap the 'rewards' of it's blinkered, incestuous, 'jobs for the boys' strategy for the appointment of coaching staff. A number of us have been pointing this out for a few years, but nothing has changed. Take a look at the current coaching line-up: www.sussexcricket.co.uk/club-coachesI'm not going to get into individual cases, but we really do need some fresh blood from outside - we need people who haven't evolved from, and been cossetted by, the Sussex 'family' ethos. It's so insular and suffocating.
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