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Post by lovelyboy on Jan 4, 2024 8:53:54 GMT
Please stop counting Oli Rob and Jof! We need at least two new seamers but my guess is we sign none and ask Brad Currie to play red ball instead! (To be fair it’s ridiculous that Currie doesn’t have a red ball contract especially when you look at our options) They are domestic bowlers we have though, it was response to a post indicating we only have 3 domestic seamers which isnt true. Brad Currie has international commitments and the decision was for a T20 contract to maintain a red ball budget for a seamer, its very sensible. Dont fall for the weve got no players thing, as CP pointed out yesterday weve a huge squad its just very young but look at Luke Littler, if you're good enough you're old enough. But Luke Littler has just got to a world final! Which of these youngsters have proved they can do it? A few years ago we were all saying don’t worry about signing a bowler we have this gun quick called Jamie Atkins! And if they do look like they are coming good we will release them from their contract and let them go to Hants! I’m sorry but I need some positive news regarding our club. I just can’t even begin to get excited about next season at the mo Oh and Brad Currie averages 26 in red ball cricket, do any of our bowlers apart from Ari look close to achieving that?
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Post by therealab1 on Jan 4, 2024 9:27:46 GMT
Im not talking about the past im talking about the present, Rogers looks a talent so chuck him in if needed.
We received significant compensation from Hants effectively a transfer fee, you have to speak in fact mate we didnt just release him.
Do you honestly think losing Atkins is negative news when he was barely selected for the 2nd XI last year.
Whats the point of paying Curries wages then losing him for half the season to go and play for Scotland? Isnt it sensible to pay him for the time he will be around?
You need a mindset change, thinking positively will automatically make you look at that squad in a different light, when you think negatively you cannot see anything else. Dont allow yourself to be dragged down by the negative tone set on here you're better than that.
A young improving side narrowly missed out on promotion to Div 1 and if it was the same points for a draw last year as this year we would have gone up. A very raw new T20 side were 2 wins short of the QF's. Yes we were rubbish in the ODC but after last years development i see no reason why we cant kick on again.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jan 4, 2024 9:50:24 GMT
The departure of Jamie Atkins sums up the farcical nature of Rob Andrew’s “youngster masterplan”. It was a lie, a manipulative ploy to cover up the real reason. To cut the annual players’ salary bill by 50% and rid the club of its best players who wouldn’t play ball.
Did he truly believe a trophy winning side could be created from just the Sussex academy? Of course not. In hindsight, Andrew’s dream was a mendacious fantasy, yet we the supporter fell for his subterfuge. At least three, even four years, has been wasted by this deception and to cap it all, the Academy’s best player has left for a rival club.
How were we so easily deceived?
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Post by therealab1 on Jan 4, 2024 9:56:02 GMT
The departure of Jamie Atkins sums up the farcical nature of Rob Andrew’s “youngster masterplan”. It was a lie, a manipulative ploy to cover up the real reason. To cut the annual players’ salary bill by 50% and rid the club of its best players who wouldn’t play ball. Did he truly believe a trophy winning side could be created from just the Sussex academy? Of course not. In hindsight, Andrew’s dream was a mendacious fantasy, yet we the supporter fell for his subterfuge. At least three, even four years, has been wasted by this deception and to cap it all, the Academy’s best player has left for a rival club. How were we so easily deceived? This post needs bookmarking. We can discuss it at the end of the 2025 season and see how many trophies the 5 year plan has yielded.
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Post by joe on Jan 4, 2024 10:01:52 GMT
Championship squad:
Haines Alsop Carson Carter Clark Coles Crocombe Hudson-Prentice Hunt Ibrahim Karvelas Simpson Lamb
Overseas:
Pujara (7 games only) Seales (first half of season; currently injured)
Rookies:
Foreman Lion-Cachet Tear Rogers
T20 only:
Mills Currie Ward
ECB central contracts:
Robinson Archer
When you break it down you haven’t got as many options as you’d like. There isn’t much competition for places and not much back up for injuries.
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Post by joe on Jan 4, 2024 10:04:28 GMT
And that’s not me being negative, just realistic.
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Post by therealab1 on Jan 4, 2024 10:15:22 GMT
And that’s not me being negative, just realistic. But its also wrong. You break it down to make it look worse. Rookie contracts are still available for the first team therefore have to be included in your championship squad as do the overseas players which adds up to 19 players that can play Championship Cricket this year if and when needed and you can add in Robinson that will play some Championship Cricket. This is without any further recruitment, we have an overseas berth available for the end of the season too and id be very surprised if Unadkat isnt back for that. The squad currently is adequte for the job but naturally if it can be improved we should but there is no point signing someone that wont improve the squad just to have a body there.
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Post by joe on Jan 4, 2024 10:40:36 GMT
And that’s not me being negative, just realistic. But its also wrong. You break it down to make it look worse. Rookie contracts are still available for the first team therefore have to be included in your championship squad as do the overseas players which adds up to 19 players that can play Championship Cricket this year if and when needed and you can add in Robinson that will play some Championship Cricket. This is without any further recruitment, we have an overseas berth available for the end of the season too and id be very surprised if Unadkat isnt back for that. The squad currently is adequte for the job but naturally if it can be improved we should but there is no point signing someone that wont improve the squad just to have a body there. Rookies play in the 2nd XI and only in exceptional circumstances (weight of runs/wickets or multiple injuries) will be moved up. If you are including them in the championship squad then you are admitting that the squad isn’t big enough.
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Post by therealab1 on Jan 4, 2024 11:00:45 GMT
But its also wrong. You break it down to make it look worse. Rookie contracts are still available for the first team therefore have to be included in your championship squad as do the overseas players which adds up to 19 players that can play Championship Cricket this year if and when needed and you can add in Robinson that will play some Championship Cricket. This is without any further recruitment, we have an overseas berth available for the end of the season too and id be very surprised if Unadkat isnt back for that. The squad currently is adequte for the job but naturally if it can be improved we should but there is no point signing someone that wont improve the squad just to have a body there. Rookies play in the 2nd XI and only in exceptional circumstances (weight of runs/wickets or multiple injuries) can be moved up. If you are including them in the championship squad then you are admitting that the squad isn’t big enough. As said the squad is adequate. Without Robinson we currently have 15 players to choose from in the CC for the first game, 16 actually you missed Lenham. Thats big enough for now without having to use deeper resource. Of course you want more but they have to be the right quality otherwise you may as well use the rookies.
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Post by squarepoint on Jan 4, 2024 11:04:38 GMT
Except that 4 are overseas players each contracted for half a season, 3 have white ball only contracts, 2 are centrally contracted/regularly injured and hardly ever play for us and 5 are teenagers. And Therea, just because a teenage darts player makes the final of a tournament it doesn’t mean that our young cricketers are ready to be competitive at a first class level!
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Post by therealab1 on Jan 4, 2024 11:06:37 GMT
Except that 4 are overseas players each contracted for half a season, 3 have white ball only contracts, 2 are centrally contracted/regularly injured and hardly ever play for us and 5 are teenagers. And Therea, just because a teenage darts player makes the final of a tournament it doesn’t mean that our young cricketers are ready to be competitive at a first class level! it doesnt mean they arent either!
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Post by joe on Jan 4, 2024 11:22:35 GMT
How many championship games did Lenham play last year?
None.
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Post by lovelyboy on Jan 4, 2024 12:22:27 GMT
Championship squad: Haines Alsop Carson Carter Clark Coles Crocombe Hudson-Prentice Hunt Ibrahim Karvelas Simpson Lamb Overseas: Pujara (7 games only) Seales (first half of season; currently injured) Rookies: Foreman Lion-Cachet Tear Rogers T20 only: Mills Currie Ward ECB central contracts: Robinson Archer When you break it down you haven’t got as many options as you’d like. There isn’t much competition for places and not much back up for injuries. Great post Joe We have one bowler who averages under 30 in Ari and everyone else apart from Lamb averages over 35 None of our bats average over 40 and I think only Haines and Simpson average over 35 It’s an appallingly weak county champs squad unless a couple of these rookies suddenly turn into Sobers
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Post by wrightstuff on Jan 4, 2024 12:42:39 GMT
The only way to build a strong team is to make sure that younger players only get in the side by forcing established players out, by producing performances just as good as the older player they want to replace.
If you try to do it the way we have, it never works.
The ones that are good enough will want to go to a division one county to prove themselves, and, inevitably, some like Atkins won't make it, either because of injury problems, or not good enough.
Players who are good enough will always force the older player out. It's got to be better if a batter makes his first team debut after scoring 3 centuries in the last six innings in the second eleven, thus demanding to be given a chance, rather than picked on 'promise and potential' when he may have only got one 50 in the last 12 second team innings.
Also, easier coming in to a side as the only young batter, or bowler, surrounded by nine, or ten others with bags of experience, who can help you find your feet. As a batter, it has to be easier coming in at 220-3 in the 60th over, with a guy on 50+ at the other end, rather than coming in at 10-3 in the fifth over, with the bowling attack still fresh and smelling blood, because the others are no more experienced than you are.
There's got to be a reason why no other county has ever done what Sussex have done. Maybe it's because they know it won't work.
The nonsense of 'They've all grown up together, and played age group cricket together, so they'll all make the grade, and never want to play for anyone else' was always nonsense. It was just a way of managing down peoples expectations for a few years, with a ready made excuse of 'Give them time' which they wouldn't have had if a more experienced side was losing.
You should always pick your strongest side, but it seems like senior players who knew what they were doing were quite intentionally treated badly, so they would move on, thus getting the wage bill down.
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Post by therealab1 on Jan 4, 2024 13:22:00 GMT
How many championship games did Lenham play last year? None. Doesnt mean hes not in the squad or isnt an option. You cant just say hes not part of the squad because he didnt play last year.
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