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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2014 9:59:41 GMT
99.9 per cent we would not sign another specialist opener. H-B is (or was) an opener, so was Joyce, although he now prefers middle-order. Yardy, Machan, or even Brown if he's not keeping would be other options. And on top of that are there any experienced opening batsmen with a First Div pedigree who are currently out of contract and on the market? Not as far as I am aware.
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Post by coverpoint on Oct 4, 2014 10:02:02 GMT
Hamilton-Brown is about as much an opener as Jimmy Anyon is! Brown isn't either. Although Yardy, Machan (not in first class cricket) and Joyce have opened it is certainly not their favoured batting position. I surprised you didn't mention Prior as he opened once. Opening is a specialist job and the one of the most difficult jobs in first class cricket. It can't be done by any Tom Dick or Harry which is why it is essential Wells signs a new contract. For me after Magoffin, Wells would be our most important signing of the close season.
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Post by jonboy on Oct 4, 2014 10:49:07 GMT
Losing Wells would be a real blow and would probably mean we'd need to recruit an opener, as it would leave Nash as the only genuine opener in the squad. . Even if Wells left, there is no way we will be signing an extra batter when we will still have nine talented frontline batsmen competing for six places. I'd guess H-B would volunteer to open as it's his best chance of getting into the side, he was a regular opener at Surrey and he manfully stepped up to the plate when we were struggling to fill the number three position last season. There is another aspect to the batting conundrum we haven't discussed : is Prior going to keep wicket? It would appear that is the intention, as Robinson said last week that he is still determined to fight to get his England place back if anything should happen to Buttler. In which case, he will need to keep his glove-work sharp by regular keeping. That means Brown will have to fight for his place as a batsman against H-B, Machan , Finch and perhaps Yardy. It would alo measn with Prior at six as a batsman/keeper, we can play a specialist batsman at seven, followed by four bowlers. A further thought: if Brown isn't keeping wicket, could he be turned into an opening bat? I don't think it's a bad thing that Brown will have competition from Prior for his place in the side. Like some others, for whatever reason, his standards slipped a little this season As for him reinventing himself as an opener, even if he wanted to, it's another makeshift option for what is after all, a pretty specialist position. |
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Post by jonboy on Oct 4, 2014 11:06:18 GMT
Sorry to keep banging on about it but, another thing with Luke Wells. I certainly wouldn't rule him out of a place in the one day side. On his day, as he proved against Lancashire, Luke is capable of playing scintillating cricket. He can hit the ball a long way. Obviously, the greatest loss to us would be, his proven prowess as an opening partner for Nash in the four day game, but I could envisage a role for in him in white ball cricket. OK, he might not have made the most of the chances he was afforded this season, but I could see him playing the holding role in the one day side. Skipper Ed is getting to the stage where he might not want to be playing every single game and Luke would certainly be a good fit to play that role. As long as there is no behind the scenes rift, I believe Luke can fulfil all his ambitions with Sussex.
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Post by andrenel on Oct 4, 2014 18:57:29 GMT
I'd be very concerned if Wells decided to go/moved on. I doubt he would be replaced, but interestingly I can't think of a county out there who would be in the market for an opener like him. Maybe Somerset as a replacement for Trescothick who can't go on forever. Every major county has a settled opening partnership, unless they sign him for middle order??
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 14:44:43 GMT
Robinson sounds pretty confident that Wells is staying: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/29822036New deals also offered to Beer, Hatchett and Piolet, and again it sounds as if announcements are imminent on all of them. No mention in any of this of Ben Brown , who was reported to be out of contract - or have I missed an announcement that he has already signed a new deal? |
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Post by jonfilby on Oct 30, 2014 15:19:45 GMT
Robinson sounds pretty confident that Wells is staying: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/29822036New deals also offered to Beer, Hatchett and Piolet, and again it sounds as if announcements are imminent on all of them. No mention in any of this of Ben Brown , who was reported to be out of contract - or have I missed an announcement that he has already signed a new deal? Browny is not out of contract so no reason why there would be any announcements on him. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 15:56:12 GMT
Good to know. A list in the Argus two months ago reported that he was. But then they didn't have Luke Wells on that list - and he is.
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Post by jonboy on Oct 30, 2014 15:56:46 GMT
I'll be delighted if they all sign up again, but spare a thought for young Callum Jackson, he's probably a victim of Matt Prior losing his central contract. If he is to move on, good luck in the future, I'm sure he'll find himself a new county
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Post by hhsussex on Oct 30, 2014 18:56:03 GMT
I'm mystified by this statement ""We try and do a lot of our dealings as late as we can, especially with our own players," Robinson told BBC Sussex."
Why would you do that? Wouldn't you feel that with your own players the responsibility was to "do your dealings" with them as soon as possible so that those who really weren't happy and couldn't agree to the terms new where they stood and could get out on to the market for other clubs? Equally, wouldn't you want to be sure that the people you really wanted to stay were satisified and dealt with quickly, to get that out of the way so that you could see what was left for future signings?
Perhaps I'm reading too much into what might be a bit of misreportage.
Oh, and pedantry note: in Luke Wells' interest he didn't score "942 first-class runs at an average of 36.32", his first class record was 1016 at 36.28. As it's the only time he's passed 1000 runs you would think he might be a bit miffed to be caught short, so to speak.
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Post by surreysteve on Oct 30, 2014 19:31:11 GMT
I saw Luke Wells score a ton at the Oval in 2012 first game of the season I think it was. He looked a class player and I am surprised he hasnt kicked on in his career to England Lions standard.
He needs to score well over 1,000 runs next season and average in the 40s.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 19:42:27 GMT
I'm mystified by this statement ""We try and do a lot of our dealings as late as we can, especially with our own players," Robinson told BBC Sussex." Why would you do that? Wouldn't you feel that with your own players the responsibility was to "do your dealings" with them as soon as possible so that those who really weren't happy and couldn't agree to the terms new where they stood and could get out on to the market for other clubs? Equally, wouldn't you want to be sure that the people you really wanted to stay were satisified and dealt with quickly, to get that out of the way so that you could see what was left for future signings? Perhaps I'm reading too much into what might be a bit of misreportage. Oh, and pedantry note: in Luke Wells' interest he didn't score "942 first-class runs at an average of 36.32", his first class record was 1016 at 36.28. As it's the only time he's passed 1000 runs you would think he might be a bit miffed to be caught short, so to speak. Doing your dealings "as late as we can" of course, makes sense if you are uncertain about the future; but it also means that the players can legitimately be approached by other counties. I don't suppose Beer, Hatchett and Piolet are on many rival radars. But Wells certainly is and I'd assumed that what had happened was that we had offered him a contract extension last winter, a year in advance of it running out, but that he was the one who had prefered to leave it "as late as we can" so he could consider other offers. Perhaps I was wrong about that, but either way we ended up with an Argus headline saying 'Sussex in struggle to keep Luke Wells'. I'd hope that Luke Wright is offered and will sign a two or even three year extension over this winter, rather than letting his contract run down next season and therefore inviting the vultures of Nottinghamshire and elsewhere to try to turn his head with rival offers. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 20:02:12 GMT
Robinson sounds pretty confident that Wells is staying: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/29822036New deals also offered to Beer, Hatchett and Piolet, and again it sounds as if announcements are imminent on all of them. No mention in any of this of Ben Brown , who was reported to be out of contract - or have I missed an announcement that he has already signed a new deal? I am somewhat confused by this. Here is the last Sussex CCC press release on the matter dated October 31, 2012 and announcing that 'Browny' had signed a two year contract until the end of the 2014 season: PRESS RELEASE October 31 2012
Sussex County Cricket Club
Ben Brown extends contract with Sussex
Sussex CCC have announced that wicketkeeper-batsman Ben Brown has signed an extension to his contract at The PROBIZ County Ground, Hove which will see him remain at the County until at least the end of the 2014 season.
The Crawley-born 23 year-old, who is a product of the Sussex Youth and Academy set-up, played 14 first-class matches during the 2012 season, scoring over 500 runs as well as taking 38 catches behind the stumps. He also featured in ten Clydesdale Bank 40 matches and five Friends Life t20 games.
The former England Under-19 player has recently been representing England in the Hong Kong Sixes tournament with Sussex team-mate Chris Nash.
Brown said of his new contract, “I’m really privileged to have signed for my home County for the next two years.
“I’m determined to be a major part of the club’s future and I’m also hopeful that I can help us to win trophies across the next couple of seasons.”
And the quote "The Crawley-born wicketkeeper-batsman signed a new two-year extension to his contract which will keep him at Hove until at least the end of the 2014 season" still appears in his player profile on the Sussex CCC website as of today. So that explains why the Argus put him on their list of out of contract players and it would also appear to confirm my suspicion that I muist have missed (along with the Argus) the announcement of his contract extension. Or perhaps Brown's contract was extended without actually being announced? There was no mention of it when the website reported the presentation of his county cap in July; but you can see that might have been a landmark moment at which to have done it. Do we know how long he is now contracted for? Whenever the new contract was signed, it is welcome news because Ben Brown is a fine and valuable player. But the Sussex website needs bringing up to speed with the news, as well as the Argus and duffers like me on this messageboard !! |
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Post by jonfilby on Oct 30, 2014 20:51:41 GMT
I thought you'd enjoy "Browny" BM.
Anyway Ben is contracted until the end of the 2105 season. Please consider yourself brought up to speed. I am not certain when his contract was extended to end of 2015 but I think there was probably an error in that 2012 press release and that the two year "extension" signed in 2012 took him to the end of 2015 not 2014.
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Post by flashblade on Oct 30, 2014 21:11:12 GMT
I thought you'd enjoy "Browny" BM. Anyway Ben is contracted until the end of the 2105 season. Please consider yourself brought up to speed. I am not certain when his contract was extended to end of 2015 but I think there was probably an error in that 2012 press release and that the two year "extension" signed in 2012 took him to the end of 2015 not 2014. Wow, he'll deserve a testimonial at that point! |
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