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Post by Don Tmatter on Nov 23, 2023 0:10:40 GMT
Alan Wells Response to my Facebook comment! Are we thinking Carter? Andy Beal that’s a shame. Ali averages 40 in red ball, 47 in the white ball comp and strikes at 160 in T20 - opening the batting in all at the age of 22. He was injured for most of last year and in my opinion did well to average 24 in that environment. If you listened to post match interviews with the Head Coach you’d understand how difficult it must be for youngsters to thrive - if you understand cricket at all. As a former player and captain of the club I care what’s happening. It’s not my place to say why Ali has left but I can tell you it wasn’t money. He certainly hasn’t been guaranteed a 100 contract. If you have the read the Telegraph today there are enough clues in that for you to understand why he left. Tensions and fall outs with the coach are rarely if ever caused by the player. I believe there will be another big name departure announced shortly - again nothing to do with money Another big name departure announced shortly 😟 Let’s hope he’s wrong. I can think of a few candidates but I’d rather not speculate in public. Rumours about Haines isn’t there? |
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Post by joe on Nov 23, 2023 1:46:10 GMT
Definitely rumours about Haines. I was told he wanted out but couldn’t find a county to take him. Perhaps he’s now found one? God forbid!
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Post by reverb123 on Nov 23, 2023 1:48:16 GMT
Haines and orr shared a young partnership which is so unique, aggressive and quite frankly brilliant to watch. That’s so hard to come by- who will open now? Carter? Overseas taken for the first block
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Post by wrightstuff on Nov 23, 2023 8:09:54 GMT
From what Adams said the Chairman could have stopped this from happening. He didn’t, no backbone what so ever!! FILBY OUT. It's not a case of no backbone. If you undermined your head coach the first time you disagreed with him, you'd be changing head coaches more often than the Conservatives change Prime Ministers. You let Farbrace call the shots- even if you disagree with one, or two decisions. Then after three years you judge if he has been a success (new contract), or a been a failure (bye bye). |
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Post by therealab1 on Nov 23, 2023 8:16:21 GMT
Definitely rumours about Haines. I was told he wanted out but couldn’t find a county to take him. Perhaps he’s now found one? God forbid! Im going to make the assumption that its not Haines purely on the 10 day window stuff with Orr and the fact hes been in a lot of the social media posts. |
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Post by trolleybuss on Nov 23, 2023 9:26:55 GMT
There you go then we get confirmation from Farbrace that we didn't have the money to give Orr a well deserved pay rise. So where's the money gone Andrew? This is scandalous. RFU Andrew came up with this supposedly great idea to slash the wage bill resulting in an exodus of senior players. He kept banging on about the club are debt free, we have extra income from the flats pub ECB membership sponsors Garton and Finn blah blah blah. Plus the saved wages on Garton Finn Rawlins and Bopara. And now just as he is about leave we find out there is no money to pay probably our best young prospect a pay rise. You just couldn't make it up. We should get an explanation from Andrew about this incredible state of affairs but he won't. The silence is deafening. Our club is a mess. What the fcuk us going on are we debt free or not? If we are debt free we should given have Orr the payrise. If we're not debt free where has the money gone?
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Nov 23, 2023 9:48:14 GMT
Superb interview with Chris Adams.
At present, any youngster with a chance of leaving to another county, will be very tempted.
All eyes on Jon Filby. What a terrible place to be when your beloved club is collapsing around
you, knowing that it is partly your fault. My personal view, is that he is out of his depth.
As for the Adams issue. History suggests that the Sussex decline began when our most
successful ever captain was first snubbed by the Club. I supported him then, and I will
continue to support him.
Where is that wealthy benefactor?
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Post by trolleybuss on Nov 23, 2023 9:59:05 GMT
Where is the interview?
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Post by therealab1 on Nov 23, 2023 10:04:25 GMT
Superb interview with Chris Adams. At present, any youngster with a chance of leaving to another county, will be very tempted. All eyes on Jon Filby. What a terrible place to be when your loved club is collapsing around you, knowing that it is partly your fault. My personal view, is that he is out of his depth. As for the Adams issue. History suggests that the Sussex decline began when our most successful ever captain was first snubbed by the Club. I supported him then, and I will continue to support him. Where is that wealthy benefactor? I'm a bit torn on that interview, it was very insightful but here are my thoughts. It is now abundantly clear it is Farbys way and Jon is going to back him whatever it seems. This is incredibly unhealthy in my eyes but also contradictory to what he said when interviewed by Harms back in September where he aluded to Gunner and Grizz having a big input on all cricketing decisions. I dont agree that he is out of his depth but i think he has made a rod for his own back and if we kind of have to be successful next year. Do you think a wealthy benefactor would part with their money under the current structure? Im not convinced WC! |
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Post by enoughisenough on Nov 23, 2023 11:07:03 GMT
Having listened to the Chris Adams interview, I agree with him that to agree to release Ali Orr from his contract was a “reckless” decision. The level of almost unprecedented outrage on this forum and other online sites tends to support that view. We have lost so many talented players to Div 1 counties in the past 24 months and, as Adams says, it gives a signal to those larger counties that we will not fight to keep our best players. This departure hurts more than most because Sussex had spent a lot of time developing the player and he was just getting started. He was and is a special talent. When he succeeds at Hants, as he surely will, it will hurt.
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Post by squarepoint on Nov 23, 2023 11:25:25 GMT
Whereas it’s right and proper for Farbrace to have made this decision and to be accountable for it, he should have consulted with the cricket committee to consider other views before making that decision. Farbrace is relatively new to the club and won’t fully appreciate what Sussex supporters have been through. I think he probably underestimated the level of outrage this has caused.
His comment that the club couldn’t afford any salary increase was unhelpful. It doesn’t ring true in the light of other player departures and suggests to all our players that they’ll need to leave if they want a pay rise in future.
Now he’s dangerously painted himself into a corner. He was almost unanimously welcomed when he came here but now he’s got a lot of people’s backs up. If any other player leaves because of a clash with the coach, the level of dissent could spiral out of control.
I do sympathise because he’s correctly identified that aspects of the club culture need to change and that’s never easy to achieve but he needs to tackle this with skill otherwise he could bring the whole edifice down around him.
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Post by ashingtonmartlet on Nov 23, 2023 11:29:22 GMT
Superb interview with Chris Adams. At present, any youngster with a chance of leaving to another county, will be very tempted. All eyes on Jon Filby. What a terrible place to be when your loved club is collapsing around you, knowing that it is partly your fault. My personal view, is that he is out of his depth. As for the Adams issue. History suggests that the Sussex decline began when our most successful ever captain was first snubbed by the Club. I supported him then, and I will continue to support him. Where is that wealthy benefactor? Out of interest, when was Adams snubbed by the club? |
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Post by therealab1 on Nov 23, 2023 11:41:04 GMT
Superb interview with Chris Adams. At present, any youngster with a chance of leaving to another county, will be very tempted. All eyes on Jon Filby. What a terrible place to be when your loved club is collapsing around you, knowing that it is partly your fault. My personal view, is that he is out of his depth. As for the Adams issue. History suggests that the Sussex decline began when our most successful ever captain was first snubbed by the Club. I supported him then, and I will continue to support him. Where is that wealthy benefactor? Out of interest, when was Adams snubbed by the club? I wondered that, do you remember when he thought the grass was greener else where too, Im a huge admirer of Adams but he doesnt know everything about creating a winning enviornment. The environment at Surrey was positively toxic with a huge drug culture which in turn led to some horribly tragic events. |
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Post by joe on Nov 23, 2023 11:58:13 GMT
Whereas it’s right and proper for Farbrace to have made this decision and to be accountable for it, he should have consulted with the cricket committee to consider other views before making that decision. Farbrace is relatively new to the club and won’t fully appreciate what Sussex supporters have been through. I think he probably underestimated the level of outrage this has caused. His comment that the club couldn’t afford any salary increase was unhelpful. It doesn’t ring true in the light of other player departures and suggests to all our players that they’ll need to leave if they want a pay rise in future. Now he’s dangerously painted himself into a corner. He was almost unanimously welcomed when he came here but now he’s got a lot of people’s backs up. If any other player leaves because of a clash with the coach, the level of dissent could spiral out of control. I do sympathise because he’s correctly identified that aspects of the club culture need to change and that’s never easy to achieve but he needs to tackle this with skill otherwise he could bring the whole edifice down around him. Good post. |
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Post by squarepoint on Nov 23, 2023 12:00:44 GMT
Out of interest, when was Adams snubbed by the club? I wondered that, do you remember when he thought the grass was greener else where too, Im a huge admirer of Adams but he doesnt know everything about creating a winning enviornment. The environment at Surrey was positively toxic with a huge drug culture which in turn led to some horribly tragic events. I don’t think you can lay that at the door of Chris Adams though. I don’t suppose that was the intention of your comment but you may wish to confirm this to avoid any doubt. |
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