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Post by seawolf on May 14, 2021 18:39:02 GMT
Oh dear, oh dear.
Agree with Wicked Cricket, sponge & devonexile. There needs to be some responsibility from the captain there.
That was cringeworthy.
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Post by joe on May 14, 2021 18:59:30 GMT
Perfect conditions for Archer to bowl. This was my worry in picking him if he can’t bowl his quota. With only 3 front line seamers you can’t afford to over bowl one and under bowl another especially if that bowler is arguably the best quick bowler in England.
A disappointing second day.
The weather may yet play a part in this match and best case scenario we come away with 13 points.
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Post by sponge on May 14, 2021 19:48:26 GMT
Oh dear. Just watched Salisbury's post match interview.
No mention of Archer and Robinson going for the Kent jugular. Shame.
Lots of positive talk about the game, Kent and Sussex. Fair enough.
I am dumbfounded. Maybe there is a hidden agenda with Archer and Robinson with their workload. If so, Brown is in an extremely awkward position.
I don't like this. Can someone just be upfront and honest.
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Post by sussexforever on May 14, 2021 20:02:33 GMT
I am dumbfounded. Maybe there is a hidden agenda with Archer and Robinson with their workload. I think this is the most likely explanation given Somerset had Overton and Leach pulled out of their game against Surrey this week. Hopefully Robinson and Archer do get to bowl in the morning and do some serious damage. |
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Post by joe on May 14, 2021 20:14:56 GMT
Considering we’ve been told it’s difficult to get the ball out of Robinsons hands, and he’s vice captain, the only conclusion is that it was the influence of a higher pay grade dictating how many overs he and Jofra could bowl.
I’m all for developing England players but when they play for Sussex they are Sussex players and should be playing to win the game.
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Post by seawolf on May 14, 2021 20:48:13 GMT
Considering we’ve been told it’s difficult to get the ball out of Robinsons hands, and he’s vice captain, the only conclusion is that it was the influence of a higher pay grade dictating how many overs he and Jofra could bowl. I’m all for developing England players but when they play for Sussex they are Sussex players and should be playing to win the game. Agree. Would have been happier if we'd picked another bowler (Crocombe) rather than Delray to take up the slack if Jofra had been limited to short spells, or if George Garton or Jack Carson weren't firing on the day we would have had another option. Realise that Jofra is contracted to England, but Ollie is still contracted to Sussex. We can't have our hands tied. They're playing for Sussex! Dissapointed with the last session. Let's hope we take advantage of the morning conditions, seize back the advantage and go on to win. |
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Post by liquidskin on May 14, 2021 20:54:06 GMT
This has an oh too familiar feel about it. How many more times this season and last do we see Sussex hold a comfortable first innings lead, only to fail to push home the advantage and hand the initiative back to the opponents second time around? Assuming the weather doesn't intervene, what odds Crawley gets a big hundred, Kent score 350 plus and we get rolled over for 180. Really disappointing last session, our bowling attack (Robinson and Archer aside) did not cause any real threat or problems for the Kent batters. Given Garton was pinging them around the batsmen's ears, light couldn't have been an issue, so as many other posters have asked, why was Archer not given a second spell? Even if light was an issue, surely better to call the Umpire's bluff than hand Kent easy runs. I often feel some of the comments on here against Brown's captaincy are somewhat harsh, but his decision making in the last session really warrant some serious questioning. Rawlins, Clark and Haines aren't exactly going to clean up the Kent batting and surely Carson (our main spinner) deserved a few more overs. 44 overs in and Archer has bowled just five. Another match and opportunity slips away. Edit: Nearly had to eat my words following that big appeal for caught behind off Haines at the end. Even so, 138 for 3 would have still been disappointing. People express themselves in different ways, thank Christ. You're clearly considered and careful, others are more blunt and animated. The fact of the matter is that Brown captains like he's never played the game before - he is tactically, a friggin' moron. Those are my words but effectively they mean the same as yours. Horrible pattern indeed, exasperated by the skipper. If Archer's on limits, do not pick four bowlers. Robinson bowled 11 of 44 and is yet an England player, so they can do one if there's an instruction there - which there ain't. The coaches are learning on the job, fair enough. The skipper was learning on the job two or three years ago and has learnt sweet FA. Bring back the young quicks and get one or two of these young bats in too. P.S. I've seen zero of this as I have a job so my opinion is void. |
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Post by coverpoint on May 15, 2021 6:48:18 GMT
Who is captaining Sussex Ben Brown or the ECB? Who pays Archer and Robinson wages Sussex or the ECB? As it is Sussex who foot the bill for Archer and Robinson it should be up to the club when he bowls and they should not be dictated to by the ECB! This ECB demand could cost Sussex any chance of winning the game as we have handed Kent the initiative. I am deeply unimpressed and dissatisfied. Without the counties there would be no England team.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on May 15, 2021 8:50:17 GMT
Maybe there is a hidden agenda with Archer and Robinson with their workload. If so, Brown is in an extremely awkward position. I don't like this. Can someone just be upfront and honest.I agree 100% with this sentiment. Here is that Ian Salisbury interview. www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=197&v=cZ866omBl0M&feature=emb_logoThe answer to the dilemma Sussex face lies in the question that our media man doesn’t ask the Coach. Anyone worth his salt would know the first and most important query is: Q: Why didn’t Archer bowl more overs today?A: Because the ECB asked us not to push him.Was this particular Q&A edited out or was our media man told not to ask the question before the interview began? So far, Jofra has bowled just 18 overs in the match compared to Ollie’s 29 and Garton’s 29, so 11 overs less than his counterparts. Therefore, why were only 3 seamers picked if the Club knew that Archer’s overs would be limited by the ECBs say-so? Surely, bring in Crocombe or Atkins as cover in place of Rawlins. The dilemma is, no club wants to bite the hand that feeds during a financial crisis within the sport, where the ECB holds 100% power. What they say goes. In this match, Archer is a colourful sideshow. Briefly great to watch, but that is all. Today, weather allowing, he may bowl an initial 4 or 5 over stint at the start, but don’t expect any more. This means Sussex’s competitive edge is detrimentally affected, where both the Coach’s hands and Captain Brown’s are tied. The ECB pay for Archer's wages and Robinson's, Sussex. The Club also gain a payment from the ECB for each time Archer plays for England. Therefore, the Board has every right to dictate to the Club. They hold the purse strings.
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Post by coverpoint on May 15, 2021 8:58:02 GMT
Maybe there is a hidden agenda with Archer and Robinson with their workload. If so, Brown is in an extremely awkward position. I don't like this. Can someone just be upfront and honest.I agree 100% with this sentiment. Here is that Ian Salisbury interview. www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=197&v=cZ866omBl0M&feature=emb_logoThe answer to the dilemma Sussex face lies in the question that our media man doesn’t ask our Coach. Anyone worth his salt would know the first and most important query is: Q: Why didn’t Archer bowl more overs today? A: Because the ECB asked us not to push him. Was this particular Q&A edited out or was our media man told not to ask the question before the interview began? So far, Jofra has bowled just 18 overs in the match compared to Ollie’s 29 and Garton’s 29, so 11 overs less than his counterparts. Therefore, why were only 3 seamers picked if the Club knew that Archer’s overs would be limited by the ECBs say-so? Surely, bring in Crocombe or Atkins as cover in place of Rawlins. The dilemma is, no club wants to bite the hand that feeds during a financial crisis within the sport, where the ECB holds 100% power. What they say goes. In this match, Archer is a colourful sideshow. Briefly great to watch, but that is all. Today, weather allowing, he may bowl an initial 4 or 5 over stint at the start, but don’t expect any more. This means Sussex’s competitive edge is detrimentally affected, where both the Coach’s hands and Captain Brown’s are tied. The ECB pay for Archer's wages and Robinson's, Sussex. The Club also gain a payment from the ECB for each time Archer plays for England. Therefore, the Board has every right to dictate to the Club. They hold the purse strings. If they are under orders from the ECB not to over bowl Archer then they should have selected Atkins or Crocombe instead of Rawlins. |
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Post by liquidskin on May 15, 2021 10:03:38 GMT
Who is captaining Sussex Ben Brown or the ECB? Who pays Archer and Robinson wages Sussex or the ECB? As it is Sussex who foot the bill for Archer and Robinson it should be up to the club when he bowls and they should not be dictated to by the ECB! This ECB demand could cost Sussex any chance of winning the game as we have handed Kent the initiative. I am deeply unimpressed and dissatisfied. Without the counties there would be no England team. Sussex don't pay for Archer, it's the other way round. The counties have always worked for the ECB, in modern times at least. The real issue is, if Archer is under restriction, why would you only pick four bowlers? It's absurd. If he isn't, which he will be, you haven't bowled your best bowler enough. Either way, it lands at the management and captain's door. They've been absolutely stupid one way or another. The reporter will have been told not to ask, and as he works for Sussex Secret Services CC, he won't. Badly run club in every way these days. Secretive and incompetent in management. I blame Andrew, he's a closed shop and a total money man. He ain't a cricket man and he ain't a Sussex man. |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on May 15, 2021 10:41:20 GMT
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Post by coverpoint on May 15, 2021 11:02:50 GMT
No play before lunch.
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Post by coverpoint on May 15, 2021 15:16:14 GMT
5pm start. Will the ECB allow us to bowl our two premier seam bowlers Jofra Archer and Ollie Robinson?
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Post by ashingtonmartlet on May 15, 2021 16:02:50 GMT
Who is captaining Sussex Ben Brown or the ECB? Who pays Archer and Robinson wages Sussex or the ECB? As it is Sussex who foot the bill for Archer and Robinson it should be up to the club when he bowls and they should not be dictated to by the ECB! This ECB demand could cost Sussex any chance of winning the game as we have handed Kent the initiative. I am deeply unimpressed and dissatisfied. Without the counties there would be no England team. In Archer’s case, the ECB. |
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