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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2021 10:38:15 GMT
Try and score 350 in this innings and we might be able to force victory.
GOSBTS
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Post by philh on Sept 23, 2021 10:45:07 GMT
Brown, Carter and Carson - 272 for 2
Haines and Extras - 27
The rest 1
TOTAL 300
Six ducks in 300 - some sort of record?
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Post by enoughisenough on Sept 23, 2021 10:46:41 GMT
The reality is that, for all Ian Salisbury stressing in the Members Forum how "tight" the majority of the team are, how "they've grown up together", "they desperately want to win and do their best for Sussex".... six ducks and a 1 in the Sussex first innings score confirms the view of many who post on here that Sussex are going out with a whimper, and that some - by no means all - of this current Sussex First X1 are not regular First X1 material.
Thank goodness for the 14-year experience of Ben Brown and the tough resistance of Jack Carson who, in his short career, has always shown that he sells his wicket dearly. I really feel that Ian Salisbury needs to consider his position....or the club management should take stock of the win/loss ratio this season and act accordingly.
As far as Andy's comments above, you are wrong. The level of anger is if anything understated, and will surely increase. Many of the recent ex-players like Matt Prior, who always wore his heart on his sleeve for club and country and NEVER went down without a fight, are almost COMPELLED to make comment on the distintegration of the team they played for with such success. To do otherwise is to suggest that you don't care, and you know that Matt, and other ex-players, DO care about the demise of Sussex as serious competitors in CC cricket.
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Post by flashblade on Sept 23, 2021 10:50:37 GMT
Have to disagree with this. A day's county cricket has to be worth £20. What benchmark are you using when you say that's expensive? Surely you don't expect a county to reduce its prices because it's having a bad season?! why not reduce the prices it might get more people through the turn stiles let’s face it Sussex need all the support they can get doesn’t seem rammed with spectators to me Attendance could be low for reasons other than the team's performance. I suspect: - many members did not renew their subscription this year. - members may feel they wouldn't enjoy the all-day physical restraints under the Covid protocols - members might feel unsafe due to the (non-existent) mask requiremements I don't assume that the team's performances are a major factor in the lower attendances. Anyway, it's too late to reduce prices under the on-line ticket system. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2021 10:51:22 GMT
The reality is that, for all Ian Salisbury stressing in the Members Forum how "tight" the majority of the team are, how "they've grown up together", "they desperately want to win and do their best for Sussex".... six ducks and a 1 in the Sussex first innings score confirms the view of many who post on here that Sussex are going out with a whimper, and that some - by no means all - of this current Sussex First X1 are not regular First X1 material. Thank goodness for the 14-year experience of Ben Brown and the tough resistance of Jack Carson who, in his short career, has always shown that he sells his wicket dearly. I really feel that Ian Salisbury needs to consider his position....or the club management should take stock of the win/loss ratio this season and act accordingly. As far as Andy's comments above, you are wrong. The level of anger is if anything understated, and will surely increase. Many of the recent ex-players like Matt Prior, who always wore his heart on his sleeve for club and country and NEVER went down without a fight, are almost COMPELLED to make comment on the distintegration of the team they played for with such success. To do otherwise is to suggest that you don't care, and you know that Matt, and other ex-players, DO care about the demise of Sussex as serious competitors in CC cricket. Please refrain from saying I am "wrong" you can disagree with an opinion but I am far from wrong! |
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Post by calmheadedguy on Sept 23, 2021 11:03:49 GMT
Six players out for a duck first innings. A county record maybe?
Hoping for a big Haines 100. No pressure..
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Post by enoughisenough on Sept 23, 2021 11:16:01 GMT
Andyb, you are entitled to your opinion, of course, but I don't believe it is credible to say that members and ex-players are being overly critical of what is happening. If members can't be critical when a team has won two CC games in two seasons, when can they be?
Coming back to the Zoom Forum, Bob Warren was very dismissive of the comments by Matt Prior, and he ignored a number of pointed questions submitted by members, including one observing that Luke Wright had publicly commented that the club's recruitment and retention of experienced players needed to be better. Mr Warren would be advised to remember that he and the other members of the committee and the management are merely the current custodians of this great cricket club of ours, as Alan Caffyn and his committee discovered in 1997. The Sussex Cricket Museum booklet "Revolution '97" should be required reading for all committee members and management. It is a salutary reminder of what can happen when you attempt to gloss over legitimate criticism from members and distinguished ex-players
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2021 11:22:15 GMT
Andyb, you are entitled to your opinion, of course, but I don't believe it is credible to say that members and ex-players are being overly critical of what is happening. If members can't be critical when a team has won two CC games in two seasons, when can they be? Coming back to the Zoom Forum, Bob Warren was very dismissive of the comments by Matt Prior, and he ignored a number of pointed questions submitted by members, including one observing that Luke Wright had publicly commented that the club's recruitment and retention of experienced players needed to be better. Mr Warren would be advised to remember that he and the other members of the committee and the management are merely the current custodians of this great cricket club of ours, as Alan Caffyn and his committee discovered in 1997. The Sussex Cricket Museum booklet "Revolution '97" should be required reading for all committee members and management. It is a salutary reminder of what can happen when you attempt to gloss over legitimate criticism from members and distinguished ex-players I am speaking in a lot more fact than you think. And im not saying you cant be critical but there isnt one ounce of positivity that you type. Matt Priors comments were rightfully dismissed by the board in my opinion. |
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Post by ashingtonmartlet on Sept 23, 2021 11:37:27 GMT
Because there's very little to be positive about!!! Go on then andyb - who are you? Either a management/board apologist, or you must be one of the board...andyb...Andy....Andrew....you're not are you?!?!
As enoughisenough rightly says, history shows us how just dismissing members' angst and criticism as noise and whingeing is very, very naive and some might almost say arrogant and pompous. And we all know how it ended....very well for the rest of us, but not well for those doing the dismissing...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2021 11:42:11 GMT
Because there's very little to be positive about!!! Go on then andyb - who are you? Either a management/board apologist, or you must be one of the board...andyb...Andy....Andrew....you're not are you?!?! As enoughisenough rightly says, history shows us how just dismissing members' angst and criticism as noise and whingeing is very, very naive and some might almost say arrogant and pompous. And we all know how it ended....very well for the rest of us, but not well for those doing the dismissing... Im just a fan mate that has been asked to buy into a process and if we give up after 5 months youll never see anything through. "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." |
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Post by flashblade on Sept 23, 2021 11:44:56 GMT
Because there's very little to be positive about!!! Go on then andyb - who are you? Either a management/board apologist, or you must be one of the board...andyb...Andy....Andrew....you're not are you?!?! As enoughisenough rightly says, history shows us how just dismissing members' angst and criticism as noise and whingeing is very, very naive and some might almost say arrogant and pompous. And we all know how it ended....very well for the rest of us, but not well for those doing the dismissing... Im just a fan mate that has been asked to buy into a process and if we give up after 5 months youll never see anything through. "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2021 11:45:40 GMT
Im just a fan mate that has been asked to buy into a process and if we give up after 5 months youll never see anything through. "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."
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Post by flashblade on Sept 23, 2021 11:48:00 GMT
Where does that quote come from? Theodore Roosevelt Thanks. Hadn't seen that before. |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Sept 23, 2021 12:33:40 GMT
Optimism is a wonderful thing. This match is going from good, to bad to now worse. 117 runs to avoid another innings defeat with 7 wickets left. Brown out after only facing three balls and Haines has just been run out. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/scorecard/ECKO51613 |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2021 12:39:28 GMT
It's also worth noting we are misisng 3 key players who are missing through either injury or IPL that will be around next year. Archer Garton and Robinson. Add in to that we are missing 2 overseas slots. Put those 5 in and its a different outlook.
I just dont think management are to blame and i dont think it's as dark as people think.
I'm sitting here not worried about the result as it's almost irrelavent but I want to see our young guns perform and get runs and confidence.
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