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Post by therealab1 on Apr 23, 2022 20:30:29 GMT
At the moment we don’t even deserve FCC status. It’s an embarrassment and I’ve had enough!! Yes I’ll support my team but we as supporters don’t deserve to be watching this week in week out. ANDREW / GREENFIELD OUT!!!! I'm angry reading these posts imagine how a 20 year old young pro must feel being criticised game in game out. |
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Post by ashingtonmartlet on Apr 23, 2022 20:32:41 GMT
Now are you just taking the piss. So do I - remember Amir Khan in 1997 and will also support the team. And it’s because of that passion that I - and many others - are rightfully annoyed with the way our club is being run and the subsequent performances and results. Being a supporter doesn’t mean meekly accepting and applauding everything that goes on as we plunge to the depths of being the worst side in the country. But then you know all that because you’re only on here to stir it up. You are entitled to be annoyed but when a lot of what you say and think comes from no truth I think it's fair to correct. No wind up at all. You dont like me never have and that's fine but at least I've I've been true to myself and don't follow the crowd Comes from no truth?!?😮😮🤦♂️🤦♂️ We’ve lost a shed load of players and repeatedly get thrashed. I’d say they’re the truth. Don’t like you? I think we’ve always got on perfectly fine, but you’ve always liked stirring things up by trying to go with the opposite view. And what crowd is that? No I’m not following a crowd, I’m annoyed at how bad my county has become due to incompetent management, as you rightly say I’m entitled to be. The thing is, so are plenty of other people, now we can’t all be wrong can we. |
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Post by ashingtonmartlet on Apr 23, 2022 20:33:22 GMT
At the moment we don’t even deserve FCC status. It’s an embarrassment and I’ve had enough!! Yes I’ll support my team but we as supporters don’t deserve to be watching this week in week out. ANDREW / GREENFIELD OUT!!!! I'm angry reading these posts imagine how a 20 year old young pro must feel being criticised game in game out. Oh dear God🤦♂️🎣 |
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Post by ashingtonmartlet on Apr 23, 2022 20:34:24 GMT
There is no crowd to follow. Only passionate Sussex supporters dismayed at the poor decision making of the club management in the past few seasons, and the unacceptably poor results on the field that have followed as a direct consequence of many of those decisions. Exactly. |
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Post by cday86 on Apr 23, 2022 20:37:14 GMT
There is no crowd to follow. Only passionate Sussex supporters dismayed at the poor decision making of the club management in the past few seasons, and the unacceptably poor results on the field that have followed as a direct consequence of many of those decisions. Exactly. Couldn’t agree more |
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Post by lovelyboy on Apr 23, 2022 21:09:24 GMT
Success seems a concept beyond reach for the current set-up. Meanwhile we can remember the capabilities of those who have left us, in come cases as a clear result of choices made by the management, as we look at the “success” being enjoyed by messrs Brown (two centuries for Div 1 Hants), Wells (in the runs and contract extended by Div 1 Lancs) and Burgess (two huge centuries for Div 1 Warwickshire). Those were the days my friends….will they ever return? So referencing Burgess and Brown in the same context doesn't make sense. Burgess wanted to keep and so did Brown, one of them had to go. Which would you have rather have left? They were both under contract. I would have kept both |
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Post by devonexile on Apr 23, 2022 21:27:03 GMT
Another let us be truthful, disappointing or if I was being more critical woeful display. A situation that has become all too predictable based on the previous two seasons and understandably a continuing cause of great concern to any Sussex supporter. Whether you subscribe to the ‘Project Youth’ five year plan or take the view this is a scenario sprung upon us as a consequence of financial resources being diverted to the more lucrative T20 competition or worse still a completely misguided strategy by those in charge, one thing that cannot be disputed is the cold hard facts.
Since 2020, we have played 22 County Championship/Bob Willis Trophy First Class Matches, winning just two, drawing five and losing 15 (a fraction over 68%). Our last win is now over twelve months ago. We have finished bottom of the Table two years running and currently find ourselves in the same position with three matches already played this season. Outcomes that in pretty much every other area of professional sport would be raising serious questions over the performance of the Coaches and Management of the Club.
Of those twenty two matches, we have conceded/leaked/gifted the opposition over 400 runs in their first innings on ten occasions. This suggests we have a longer term problem in this area and it isn’t just a recent consequence of an injury hit bowling attack. Carson was part of the bowling attack in all seven instances prior to the start of this season, Garton and Robinson also featured in a couple. Ironically, we have actually held a first innings lead on ten separate occasions, remarkably going on to lose on six of those, drawing two (one against a Covid depleted Kent second string) and winning just two. So, even when our bowling attack fires, it doesn't appear to be able to do so twice in the same match.
I believe in previous posts I have stated in any long term plan there has to be incremental improvement. The question is based on the above, are we actually seeing such in the case of our performances?
There are certainly some positives, we appear to have finally found an effective opening partnership, the like of which we haven’t really had since Nash & Joyce. We have an overseas batter who unlike last season is actually contributing runs. Clark is showing promise, the irony being he probably wouldn’t have played in the first match and got his century if Pujara’s visa had been sorted. I believe we have reason to feel optimistic about what Ibrahim, Carter, Carson and Crocombe in time will deliver.
Unfortunately, there are many negatives. Since the elevation of Archer and more recently Robinson our bowling attack is not up to the required standard. Will a 33 year old veteran who has hardly played four day cricket in two years be able to deliver; assuming he can stay fit is understandably a concern or is this another signing of the calibre of Meaker and Claydon? When your opening bat, part-time bowler with a strike rate of 112 going into this match delivers a career best and is your top wicket taker, you know you have problems. The poorly managed removal of captaincy and subsequent loss of Brown has left us without an experienced and valuable batter and forced the signing of an overseas that would have been better used in reinforcing an under par bowling attack. The continuing lack of mental toughness (Derbyshire second innings aside) and the team’s ability to subside as soon as it encounters a pressure situation continues to be of concern. The appointment of an ‘interim’ captain, who whilst an excellent prospect as a future captain, who is quite clearly struggling with the demands this team presents is another decision that appears not to have been fully considered, even more so given his importance to our batting line up. Yes, Head was first choice, but it was always a risky strategy appointing an overseas and the uncertainty around those type of signings in the modern era.
Quite simply if you can’t bowl teams out, you won’t win matches. An earlier post questioned the lack of use of Atkins in this match. You only have to watch the stream back to see the lack of control and his wayward line and direction. Haines even brought him on close to end of play on day one to rebuild his confidence; he still went around the park. He was the best example of our lack of ability to bowl at the stumps, but he was by no means on his own. It would be interesting to know the percentage of balls we bowled that would have actually hit the stumps compared to Worcestershire. When we weren’t running ourselves out, look at the number of our wickets that were bowled, lbw or caught at the wicket or slip to those we took. I would add I thought Atkins looked really good last season, raw, but quick. He seems to have lost his way over the winter.
I know this will enrage a few of you, but whether we stick with the plan or not, in order to at least restore some respectability to the season and avoid another bottom of the table finish, some immediate action is required.
• Salisbury comes across as a really genuine hard working nice guy who is giving his all, but I am sorry it is a results business and it just isn’t working. We have Adams and Flower in the background, time for one of them to take the helm.
• Haines isn’t ready for captaincy, certainly not with a team this inexperienced. The situation needs resolving, although I accept there is no obvious candidate to replace him (Finn, Pujara, Rizwan).
• Finally (sorry Liquid), but we need to sort out the lack of a proper spinner. Surrey Steve got in ahead of me. Virdi and Moriaty can’t get a gig at the moment; please sign one of them for a month. It helps Surrey out, it helps us out, the player gets a run out, a month’s wages aren’t prohibitive and it won’t block Carson when he returns to fitness.
Durham up next, let us hope for a better showing.
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Post by enoughisenough on Apr 24, 2022 5:47:46 GMT
You’re right. We all struggle to remember the team’s last win. In any other sport changes would have been made to the coaching staff/management before things reached the current sorry stage. The new chairman, with his considerable knowledge of the history of the club, will be well aware how poorly the current teams being fielded stack up when compared to the teams in any other decade since the war, and before the war. He has a big part to play in ensuring the club can restore its competitiveness on the field, by whatever means necessary.
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Post by joe on Apr 24, 2022 8:44:17 GMT
I honestly think we’d be better off forfeiting the next few games and waiting till we can put out a competitive team. No good can come from being slaughtered every week by the likes of Derbyshire.
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Post by liquidskin on Apr 24, 2022 10:42:36 GMT
At the moment we don’t even deserve FCC status. It’s an embarrassment and I’ve had enough!! Yes I’ll support my team but we as supporters don’t deserve to be watching this week in week out. ANDREW / GREENFIELD OUT!!!! Get these bums out now, we've all been saying it for years. It's astonishing it hasn't happened yet. Andrew is dragging the club to the brink of nonexistence and the only person I've ever heard say anything good about the guy is his lacky on here. Salisbury is deluded, he's full of platitudes and he's a yes man - get Adams in. Devon, I'm against loans of any kind, it's desperate and a sign of poor management but on a spinner, all I'm saying is that we started the season with two proper ones and two par-timers. One is injured, one is clearly deemed not ready and the part-timers need to be able to hold a bat for more than ten minutes to qualify as part-timers. I don't remember anyone calling for a spinner in the winter. We need a seamer or two much more, for me. Ash, Amir has French facial hair and an Italian necklace - it's a liquid international world these days. Actually I would have signed him and told Rizwan he's sitting out for a bit. For all the negativity I actually think if our bowlers have 400 odd in the bank they'll improve, especially if Robinson is finally back. We need to bat first unless it's obvious you shouldn't. |
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Post by liquidskin on Apr 24, 2022 10:54:54 GMT
At the moment we don’t even deserve FCC status. It’s an embarrassment and I’ve had enough!! Yes I’ll support my team but we as supporters don’t deserve to be watching this week in week out. ANDREW / GREENFIELD OUT!!!! I'm angry reading these posts imagine how a 20 year old young pro must feel being criticised game in game out. Don't be stupid Gordy. He'll feel worse about having his apprenticeship bypassed rendering him not fit for purpose. 17 year olds like Coles and Ibrahim are probably shell-shocked from going straight from the academy to the 1st team. I haven't read a single bit of criticism of a young player on here, other than maybe some contructive criticism. I've seen Haines blatantly show zero faith in Atkins and Lenham though - that's much worse than what someone probably won't read on a message board. feel angry about that. So what is your actual job at the club? Are you Sharkey? You need to work on your sprinting mate, 2nd and 3rd's no good. |
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Post by lovelyboy on Apr 24, 2022 11:26:58 GMT
I'm angry reading these posts imagine how a 20 year old young pro must feel being criticised game in game out. Don't be stupid Gordy. He'll feel worse about having his apprenticeship bypassed rendering him not fit for purpose. 17 year olds like Coles and Ibrahim are probably shell-shocked from going straight from the academy to the 1st team. I haven't read a single bit of criticism of a young player on here, other than maybe some contructive criticism. I've seen Haines blatantly show zero faith in Atkins and Lenham though - that's much worse than what someone probably won't read on a message board. feel angry about that. So what is your actual job at the club? Are you Sharkey? You need to work on your sprinting mate, 2nd and 3rd's no good. This is actually a very very good point. I think people have actually been very supportive of the youngsters. No one is blaming the teenagers. We all know it’s not their fault |
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Post by coverpoint on Apr 24, 2022 18:21:07 GMT
We need to scour the loan market for players as the current starting eleven needs a complete overhaul (with the exception of Haines and Pujara). The following players are not playing in the current road of matches and might be options:
Michael Cohen Derbyshire
Alex Hughes Derbyshire
George Scrimshaw Derbyshire
Brydon Carse Durham
Graham Clark Durham
Paul Coughlin Durham
Matt Salisbury Durham
Ben Allison Essex
Luc Benkenstein Essex
Will Buttleman Essex
Feroze Kushi Essex
Aron Nijaar Essex
Michael Pepper Essex
Jack Plom Essex
Jamie Porter Essex
Josh Rymell Essex
Paul Walter Essex
Eddie Byrom Glamorgan
Lukas Carey Glamorgan
Joe Cooke Glamorgan
Dan Douthwaite Glamorgan
Alex Horton Glamorgan
Billy Root Glamorgan
Ben Charlesworth Gloucestershire
Benny Howell Gloucestershire
David Payne Gloucestershire
George Scott Gloucestershire
Tom Smith Gloucestershire
Jack Taylor Gloucestershire
Matt Taylor Gloucestershire
Scott Currie Hampshire
Aneurin Donald Hampshire
James Fuller Hampshire
Tom Prest Hampshire
Brad Wheal Hampshire
Ross Whiteley Hampshire
Chris Wood Hampshire
Fred Klassen Kent
Henry Podmore Kent
Matt Quinn Kent
Jas Singh Kent
Matt O'Riordon Kent
Tom Bailey Lancashire
Keaton Jennings Lancashire
Rob Jones Lancashire
Luke Wood Lancashire
Abidine Sakande Leicestershire
Ethan Bamber Middlesex
Blake Cullen Middlesex
Jack Davies Middlesex
Josh De Caires Middlesex
Stephen Eskinazi Middlesex
Luke Hollman Middlesex
Tim Murtagh Middlesex
Nathan Sowter Middlesex
Nathan Buck Northants
Josh Cobb Northants
Ben Curran Northants
Tom Taylor Northants
Jake Ball Notts
Sol buddinger Notts
Matthew Carter Notts
Joey Evison Notts
Calvin Harrison Notts
Brett Hutton Notts
Matt Montgomery Notts
George Bartlett Somerset
Lewis Goldsworthy Somerset
Ben Green Somerset
Lewis Gregory Somerset
Will Smeed Somerset
Roleof Van Der Merwe Somerset
Gus Atkinson Surrey
Tom Curran Surrey (not currently in the Surrey XI)
Matt Dunn Surrey
Laurie Evans (given he cannot get in the Surrey XI)
Chris Jordan Surrey (given he cannot get in the Surrey XI)
Connor McKerr Surrey
Dan Moriarty Surrey
Cameron Steel Surrey
Jamie Smith Surrey
Amar Virdi Surrey
Jacob Bethell Warwickshire
Adam Hose Warwickshire
Jake Lintott Warwickshire
Dan Mousley Warwickshire
Pat Brown Worcestershire
Tom Fell Worcestershire
Adam Finch Worcestershire
Gareth Roderick Worcestershire
Josh Tongue Worcestershire
Gary Ballance Yorkshire
Ben Coad Yorkshire
Tom Kohler-Cadmore Yorkshire
David Willey Yorkshire
Will Fraine Yorkshire
Jonny Tattersall Yorkshire
Matthew Waite Yorkshire
Tom Loten Yorkshire
Will Luxton Yorkshire
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Post by devonexile on Apr 24, 2022 19:45:00 GMT
Excellent research CP. It does illustrate there are players out there.
Assuming Robinson is going to be available for a couple of matches and Finn's knee has recovered, for me we need a seamer and a spinner, only on a short term one month basis Liquid and with the caveat that they can't be recalled by their parent County!! Thanks for that one Kent. I would stick with our batters, despite the inconsistencies across the three matches to date.
I suspect some on the list are carrying injuries, being rested, parent County wouldn't want to loan to a rival, possibly wouldn't fancy a spell helping out a out a struggling side or are even too expensive. I have already suggested Virdi or Moriarty for the spinners role, but there are plenty of seam options, Porter, Taylor (Glos), Quinn, Bamber, Wood. Should they decide to go down this road, it needs to be a quality wicket taking signing.
If nothing else, it would demonstrate an acknowledgement of the problem and a genuine attempt to address it whilst keeping faith with the injured and unavailable, who will need time to readjust upon their return to the first eleven.
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Post by sponge on Apr 24, 2022 20:38:52 GMT
No need to panic.
Can anyone explain why we can't call on some of our white ball only players.
We can take it from there.
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