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Post by ashingtonmartlet on May 8, 2022 16:46:44 GMT
So long as those who think we should’ve declared earlier or feel it was too safe don’t then complain if we lose…
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Post by philh on May 8, 2022 17:09:08 GMT
Hugely disappointing to lose this game after being even Stevens with Middlesex throughout the game. There has been no doubt all game that runs are easy to get on this pitch. I really think we have wasted 8 points. Not only that, it is likely to send the team on Thursday to a winnable game at Leicester feeling far more dispirited. Several batters will be gutted that their efforts were in vain tonight.
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Post by sirlunchalot on May 8, 2022 17:10:53 GMT
Agreed. An unnecessary gamble has wasted 8 points.
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Post by joe on May 8, 2022 17:15:07 GMT
Bugger…..
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Post by sponge on May 8, 2022 18:05:17 GMT
Well played Middlesex.👏 Sussex, good effort in a super 4 day game. Can now go to Leicester with lots of positives. A lot more learnt losing to Middlesex than drawing. Don't forget the bigger picture. The coaches and players should have learnt a lot.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on May 8, 2022 18:34:07 GMT
Haines and Salisbury would either end up as heroes or zeroes after declaring. Sadly, it is the latter. Easy to say it was too little a score. Just hope this doesn't do yet further damage to the team's confidence after, overall, a much improved performance.
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Post by philh on May 8, 2022 21:36:07 GMT
Haines and Salisbury would either end up as heroes or zeroes after declaring. Sadly, it is the latter. Easy to say it was too little a score. Just hope this doesn't do yet further damage to the team's confidence after, overall, a much improved performance. As proved by how easily we set a target, getting runs was not difficult and getting wickets was hard work. If anything, I think both sides underperformed in the first innings as par was 450-475 on that wicket. The odds on us taking 10 wickets in 75ish overs were poor. The only hope was that Ollie decimated their top order. However, 45-4 proved retrievable in Middlesex’s first innings. 8 points down the drain in my book. Yes, we should go for wins when they are there but professional sports teams measure risk against reward. I gave us about a 1 in 8 to 1 in 10 chance of winning with that declaration. Another 40 runs would have more or less sealed 8 points and still left open the chance that Ollie would run through them as a possible way of winning.
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Post by horsham48 on May 9, 2022 7:16:26 GMT
Very varied opinions here about the declaration. I was there the whole match and obviously disappointed that it all fell apart after tea. Personally I thought the declaration was pretty much spot on. I saw no point in putting the game so far out of Middx reach that we ended with a boring draw. In all the criticism posted here, no one has mentioned Crane. What has happened to this player who a few years ago was yet another leggie going to be the next big thing. He bowled utter garbage and gave Haines no one to go to in order to keep some control plus dealing with the over rate. Ollie Rob gave it his all but looked a bit shot in the end. Given his first game in months a pretty good effort. Garton is certainly not fully match fit as far as bowling is concerned. If Crane is in the squad to Leicester I would be surprised. Thank Lenham may well go, although I think they've tried to protect him from playing in the Championship games. Just hope Haines keeps his head up in very trying circumstances.He had an average game but entitled to after how he's played so far this season Having Pujara and Rizwan to support him is good and they seem to very active in supporting him on the field All credit to Middx in the end. Now to Leicester ! GOSBTS
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Post by grandavefan on May 9, 2022 8:43:16 GMT
horsham48, I agree re Crane. Can't get in at Hants, Salisbury blinded by reputation, signs him. Wow, what rubbish! Send him home. Did Salisbury NOT sign our leg break bowler last year on a 4 day contract? He might not turn it at right angles like Crane but he could pitch it in the right areas. Something Crane can't manage. Can't bowl, can't bat, can't catch! Give him his train fare.
Lenham, not ready for 4 day cricket AND probably not ready anyway after having stress facture of the back means a re-model of action, that'll have a huge impact on a young immature body.
Salisbury and Greenfield have much to ponder the next few days.
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Post by joe on May 9, 2022 9:42:52 GMT
I agree to a certain extent re Crane but I noticed he did start to pitch it in the right areas towards the end of the game. He’s not had much cricket, didn’t go away in the winter so is also match rusty and probably trying too hard to impress. I say give him another game, he’s a match winner when he gets it right.
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Post by therealab1 on May 9, 2022 10:22:59 GMT
Awful decision by Blackwell to give Rocky out LBW. Salisbury must have bribed him with a double cheeseburger for lunch!! Wouldn't disagree Steve, never looked out. However, take a look at the very first ball of the innings to Stoneman from Ollie. How was that given not out? Ignore the myopic bias of the BBC London commentator, hit in front of off, hitting middle/middle and off. Would have been referred to DRS if available. I would say it balanced out. I dread to think the amount of decisions that would be overturned if DRS was in play. The standard of umpiring does need to improve.
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Post by liquidskin on May 9, 2022 10:54:05 GMT
So long as those who think we should’ve declared earlier or feel it was too safe don’t then complain if we lose… I don't like the sound of that deal. This declaration should have been way too cautious but given the circs it clearly wasn't. My issue wasn't that though, it was the batting for the first ten overs - 7 in hand, 70-100 needed asap, leather it. We had 28 off the first 7 - so wrong, so wrong. Probably wouldn't have mattered. I was gonna mention Crane - utter dross. And I watched virtually all this game on the shake box cos I was laid up. Having said that, there's no way you shouldn't be able to defend 370 odd off 75 odd. For me, a huge issue is these roads are groundsman keeps producing. I know our batting is much better than our bowling (and that in itself should mean leave some on) but we have batters who've made 700 odd runs already and bowlers who have to wait 2 days for a wicket. And even then it's probably been gifted by some idiot like Blackie Blackwell. Umpiring was atrocious, needs investigating. When all is said and done, there are two pretty simple things that Sussex need to do. One is leave some on for the remainder of our home games. If you have weak bowling leave some on or you won't win a single game, it really isn't difficult to fathom. The second is replace this OS allrounder with a gun bowler. A Mags, a Chawla, a gun bowler. Cos without Robinson we're f****d.
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Post by coverpoint on May 11, 2022 5:02:04 GMT
375 off 75 overs? You may not want us to lose but clearly you'd prefer a draw - very defensive target, that's 5 an over. They just ain't gonna chase that. If we bat for more than 10 overs we're fools. Should be aiming for about 350 off 85 or so. Even that's on the cautious side. Still think this is the case? With hindsight we should have set them 420 off 70 overs.
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Post by liquidskin on May 11, 2022 9:27:50 GMT
Yes. And if it isn't, which it wasn't, it is 100% the fault of our awful cricket killing groundsman and management. If you have to set someone 400 off 80 on the last day the game has gone. Bowlers will go, the game will go. Hopefully the management will go before that and take this idiot groundsman with them.
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Post by liquidskin on May 11, 2022 14:17:53 GMT
Additional, why set 420 off 70 anyway? Why not 480 off 60, or 550 off 50? Who wants to get off the earlier? The result's the same whichever you do. And then the game's dead, forever, and T20 rides off into the sunset. Or even the Hundred Sharkey. The lovely exciting result based fast paced Hundred. That rhymed and you know it did.
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