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Post by coverpoint on Jun 29, 2022 17:49:27 GMT
Why take the risk? If it goes wrong as a captain you look stupid. They should have enforced the follow on given the below last innings scores at Hove this season. If they had done so they would not have lost (may still have drawn as Derby proved). Poor decision by Derbyshire. I was surprised when they declared on 551-8 as I expected them to bat onto 600 (Adams would have done). Durham 364-3 (113.1) (3rd innings but only 3 innings) Middlesex 370-3 (73.5) Sussex 345-5 (73.1) One thing we can both agree on is the quality of the young batsmen coming through in Haines, Orr, Clark and Carter. Who cares what they do. We took advantage in a high class manner. To have that much belief is incredible given how long its been since a win and the relentless hate they have to read on social media. To be fair with their record they nothing to lose as no one expected them to win. Players shouldn't be reading social media. They should be practising 24-7 (it's professional sport).
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Post by coverpoint on Jun 29, 2022 17:50:02 GMT
Trust the process, we are going to be a great side again soon! Are you Rob Andrew or Ian Salisbury?
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Post by ashingtonmartlet on Jun 29, 2022 17:50:17 GMT
Why take the risk? If it goes wrong as a captain you look stupid. They should have enforced the follow on given the below last innings scores at Hove this season. If they had done so they would not have lost (may still have drawn as Derby proved). Poor decision by Derbyshire. I was surprised when they declared on 551-8 as I expected them to bat onto 600 (Adams would have done). Durham 364-3 (113.1) (3rd innings but only 3 innings) Middlesex 370-3 (73.5) Sussex 345-5 (73.1) One thing we can both agree on is the quality of the young batsmen coming through in Haines, Orr, Clark and Carter. Who cares what they do. We took advantage in a high class manner. To have that much belief is incredible given how long its been since a win and the relentless hate they have to read on social media. There’s no “hate” Andrew, and certainly not of the players. Amazing how you went missing for weeks as our T20 campaign crumbled, the one thing you’d been clinging to to try and defend Squeaky and Grubby.
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Post by liquidskin on Jun 29, 2022 17:51:27 GMT
What happens if Derby were 200 for 2 last night? We did very very well last night and we had a chance to bowl them out this morning too cheaply and still chase the runs. We are seeing some really talented players growing here. Haines, Orr, Clark and now Carter all home grown consistent contributors now. I expect Ibrahim to find consistency soon. This is a decent side just very unlucky with injuries. Why take the risk? If it goes wrong as a captain you look stupid. They should have enforced the follow on given the below last innings scores at Hove this season. If they had done so they would not have lost (may still have drawn as Derby proved). Poor decision by Derbyshire. I was surprised when they declared on 551-8 as I expected them to bat onto 600 (Adams would have done). Durham 364-3 (113.1) (3rd innings but only 3 innings) Middlesex 370-3 (73.5) Sussex 345-5 (73.1) One thing we can both agree on is the quality of the young batsmen coming through in Haines, Orr, Clark and Carter. And they're all bats. Chuck Alsop in and it's all pretty clear. We could push for promotion if we're managed right. Gordy is right in a way, we do have a good side. Or at least we should have. But it is being seriously hindered by his buddy in the office. And the other bloke. Do not trust the process, they do not want Sussex to succeed in 4 day cricket. If they do, they are more incompetent than I thought possible. Don't be blind-sided by a horrendous decision by Billy and a magnificent innings by one of our many talented bats.
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Post by coverpoint on Jun 29, 2022 17:52:49 GMT
Why take the risk? If it goes wrong as a captain you look stupid. They should have enforced the follow on given the below last innings scores at Hove this season. If they had done so they would not have lost (may still have drawn as Derby proved). Poor decision by Derbyshire. I was surprised when they declared on 551-8 as I expected them to bat onto 600 (Adams would have done). Durham 364-3 (113.1) (3rd innings but only 3 innings) Middlesex 370-3 (73.5) Sussex 345-5 (73.1) One thing we can both agree on is the quality of the young batsmen coming through in Haines, Orr, Clark and Carter. And they're all bats. Chuck Alsop in and it's all pretty clear. We could push for promotion if we're managed right. Gordy is right in a way, we do have a good side. Or at least we should have. But it is being seriously hindered by his buddy in the office. And the other bloke. Do not trust the process, they do not want Sussex to succeed in 4 day cricket. If they do, they are more incompetent than I thought possible. Don't be blind-sided by a horrendous decision by Billy and a magnificent innings by one of our many talented bats. To be fair it wasn't just one magnificent innings but three (also Alsop and Rizwan) as the target could have been chased down without their vital contributions.
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Post by philh on Jun 29, 2022 18:02:00 GMT
Brooks turned the game and Rizwan was superb. Inspired management or a fluke?
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Post by devonexile on Jun 29, 2022 18:04:27 GMT
The haters shouldnt celebrate im afraid. Enjoy the humble pie. Dont even mention the follow on, the way Brooks bowled gave us a real chance I was hoping to enjoy a rare, overdue and more than welcome victory without any deep analysis, but anyone who sees this victory as either an endorsement of what has preceded in the past two and a half seasons or a positive sign that everything is fine is with the greatest respect deluded. Derbyshire were in a position where they couldn't lose, yet their tactical naivety or over confidence or combination of both allowed Sussex to grab victory when they were staring down the jaws of yet another defeat. Do I hope this is a springboard for further victories? Yes. Do I hope that having tasted victory and done it by chasing down 342 runs in less than a day builds confidence within this young inexperienced side? Most definitely. Do I believe the current set up will get us back to where we need to be? Let's talk again when we see wins becoming a regular occurrence, due to our dominance of matches and not errors by the opposition. There were three key moments in this match. Derbyshire failing to enforce the follow on. The Umpire not giving Madsen out LBW when he was plumb on 34 and the afternoon session on the second day. The first two were outside our control. One worked in our favour, the other didn't. The last highlights where this team is and why we shouldn't get carried away with this one result. Adrian Harms described us as rudderless during that particular passage of play. In an earlier post, I believe I said we had no plan or idea. Basically, we didn't have a clue how to bowl them out, Finn took over the captaincy and we ended up giving their ninth wicket pair an almost run a ball century partnership. Even if you cant get them out, you find ways to make it difficult for them. You make scoring difficult. You do something, you don't just offer up as many runs as they want until they see fit to declare. If we had lost the match, this is where it would have been lost. Reduce their first innings score by 70 and add another hour into the match and we would still have been in the game at that stage and the issue of a follow on wouldn't even be a factor. I genuinely don't believe you can describe anyone on here as a 'hater'. Yes, emotions sometimes get the better of some individuals and at times comments (I hope through frustration) directed at certain players and management most definitely go beyond reasonable or in my humble view acceptable. The bottom line is as supporters we get frustrated and given what we have seen and endured over the past two and a half seasons, I don't believe that should come as a surprise. We have a strong core of players coming through, but mistakes continue to be made in recruitment, selection and tactics. Our last two victories were more down to the opposition than our own endeavours. Any strategy needs at the minimum tweaking. Quite simply, there needs to be changes to the current set up if we want performances like we have seen this afternoon to become the norm. Most importantly, today's victory should be enjoyed by all and not taken as an opportunity to score cheap points.
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Post by therealab1 on Jun 29, 2022 18:08:14 GMT
Who cares what they do. We took advantage in a high class manner. To have that much belief is incredible given how long its been since a win and the relentless hate they have to read on social media. There’s no “hate” Andrew, and certainly not of the players. Amazing how you went missing for weeks as our T20 campaign crumbled, the one thing you’d been clinging to to try and defend Squeaky and Grubby. You can't even celebrate this win mate, tragic it's all about an agenda. No I'm not Keith Or Rob but blimey do those 2 deserve a drink tonight. We are growing faster than expected despite horrific injuries.
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Post by therealab1 on Jun 29, 2022 18:12:08 GMT
The haters shouldnt celebrate im afraid. Enjoy the humble pie. Dont even mention the follow on, the way Brooks bowled gave us a real chance I was hoping to enjoy a rare, overdue and more than welcome victory without any deep analysis, but anyone who sees this victory as either an endorsement of what has preceded in the past two and a half seasons or a positive sign that everything is fine is with the greatest respect deluded. Derbyshire were in a position where they couldn't lose, yet their tactical naivety or over confidence or combination of both allowed Sussex to grab victory when they were staring down the jaws of yet another defeat. Do I hope this is a springboard for further victories? Yes. Do I hope that having tasted victory and done it by chasing down 342 runs in less than a day builds confidence within this young inexperienced side? Most definitely. Do I believe the current set up will get us back to where we need to be? Let's talk again when we see wins becoming a regular occurrence, due to our dominance of matches and not errors by the opposition. There were three key moments in this match. Derbyshire failing to enforce the follow on. The Umpire not giving Madsen out LBW when he was plumb on 34 and the afternoon session on the second day. The first two were outside our control. One worked in our favour, the other didn't. The last highlights where this team is and why we shouldn't get carried away with this one result. Adrian Harms described us as rudderless during that particular passage of play. In an earlier post, I believe I said we had no plan or idea. Basically, we didn't have a clue how to bowl them out, Finn took over the captaincy and we ended up giving their ninth wicket pair an almost run a ball century partnership. Even if you cant get them out, you find ways to make it difficult for them. You make scoring difficult. You do something, you don't just offer up as many runs as they want until they see fit to declare. If we had lost the match, this is where it would have been lost. Reduce their first innings score by 70 and add another hour into the match and we would still have been in the game at that stage and the issue of a follow on wouldn't even be a factor. I genuinely don't believe you can describe anyone on here as a 'hater'. Yes, emotions sometimes get the better of some individuals and at times comments (I hope through frustration) directed at certain players and management most definitely go beyond reasonable or in my humble view acceptable. The bottom line is as supporters we get frustrated and given what we have seen and endured over the past two and a half seasons, I don't believe that should come as a surprise. We have a strong core of players coming through, but mistakes continue to be made in recruitment, selection and tactics. Our last two victories were more down to the opposition than our own endeavours. Any strategy needs at the minimum tweaking. Quite simply, there needs to be changes to the current set up if we want performances like we have seen this afternoon to become the norm. Most importantly, today's victory should be enjoyed by all and not taken as an opportunity to score cheap points. Read the vile stuff aimed at Rob and Keith on this very board
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Post by mrsdoyle on Jun 29, 2022 18:43:58 GMT
The haters shouldnt celebrate im afraid. Enjoy the humble pie. Dont even mention the follow on, the way Brooks bowled gave us a real chance I was hoping to enjoy a rare, overdue and more than welcome victory without any deep analysis, but anyone who sees this victory as either an endorsement of what has preceded in the past two and a half seasons or a positive sign that everything is fine is with the greatest respect deluded. Derbyshire were in a position where they couldn't lose, yet their tactical naivety or over confidence or combination of both allowed Sussex to grab victory when they were staring down the jaws of yet another defeat. Do I hope this is a springboard for further victories? Yes. Do I hope that having tasted victory and done it by chasing down 342 runs in less than a day builds confidence within this young inexperienced side? Most definitely. Do I believe the current set up will get us back to where we need to be? Let's talk again when we see wins becoming a regular occurrence, due to our dominance of matches and not errors by the opposition. There were three key moments in this match. Derbyshire failing to enforce the follow on. The Umpire not giving Madsen out LBW when he was plumb on 34 and the afternoon session on the second day. The first two were outside our control. One worked in our favour, the other didn't. The last highlights where this team is and why we shouldn't get carried away with this one result. Adrian Harms described us as rudderless during that particular passage of play. In an earlier post, I believe I said we had no plan or idea. Basically, we didn't have a clue how to bowl them out, Finn took over the captaincy and we ended up giving their ninth wicket pair an almost run a ball century partnership. Even if you cant get them out, you find ways to make it difficult for them. You make scoring difficult. You do something, you don't just offer up as many runs as they want until they see fit to declare. If we had lost the match, this is where it would have been lost. Reduce their first innings score by 70 and add another hour into the match and we would still have been in the game at that stage and the issue of a follow on wouldn't even be a factor. I genuinely don't believe you can describe anyone on here as a 'hater'. Yes, emotions sometimes get the better of some individuals and at times comments (I hope through frustration) directed at certain players and management most definitely go beyond reasonable or in my humble view acceptable. The bottom line is as supporters we get frustrated and given what we have seen and endured over the past two and a half seasons, I don't believe that should come as a surprise. We have a strong core of players coming through, but mistakes continue to be made in recruitment, selection and tactics. Our last two victories were more down to the opposition than our own endeavours. Any strategy needs at the minimum tweaking. Quite simply, there needs to be changes to the current set up if we want performances like we have seen this afternoon to become the norm. Most importantly, today's victory should be enjoyed by all and not taken as an opportunity to score cheap points. Completely agree with this, I think we have some promising batsmen coming through but our bowling and captaincy needs work! We won because Derby made a daft decision, enforcing the follow on was a no brainier to me, not to say Derby would definitely have won, I thought the draw was still on, but I couldn’t see them losing if they did.
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Post by liquidskin on Jun 29, 2022 19:21:26 GMT
There’s no “hate” Andrew, and certainly not of the players. Amazing how you went missing for weeks as our T20 campaign crumbled, the one thing you’d been clinging to to try and defend Squeaky and Grubby. You can't even celebrate this win mate, tragic it's all about an agenda. No I'm not Keith Or Rob but blimey do those 2 deserve a drink tonight. We are growing faster than expected despite horrific injuries. Well there you have it people - what we've seen over the last 15 months, including today's stunning victory, is better than office expectations. To repeat, what you have seen from Sussex CCC over the last 15 months, is better than what was expected. Truest thing Gordy's ever said.
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Post by liquidskin on Jun 29, 2022 19:28:56 GMT
Serious question here, has a county ever lost a game after declaring twice? Superb from Orr, Rizwan and Alsop. Seriously? Yes I imagine it's happened quite a few times over the years across numerous countries. I'd wager it's happened at least once to every county since 1950. I'm not checking though, I have to comb an emu. Nor will I pay up if I lose that wager as I'm hidden in a laptop.
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Post by sponge on Jun 29, 2022 19:45:02 GMT
Well done Sussex. Wont mention any individuals, as it was a good team effort; irrespective of Derbyshire's madness. This should spur on the whole squad. Keep going, it wont be easy, and let's hope in 3 years time we will all say "Remember when...."
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Post by therealab1 on Jun 29, 2022 19:59:46 GMT
You can't even celebrate this win mate, tragic it's all about an agenda. No I'm not Keith Or Rob but blimey do those 2 deserve a drink tonight. We are growing faster than expected despite horrific injuries. Well there you have it people - what we've seen over the last 15 months, including today's stunning victory, is better than office expectations. To repeat, what you have seen from Sussex CCC over the last 15 months, is better than what was expected. Truest thing Gordy's ever said. You can pick my words out to suit your argument. But read what I said properly and engage in proper debate which you actively encourage when you spiut your racist hate. So be fair scumbag or *** off
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Post by wiseman on Jun 29, 2022 20:27:24 GMT
Well there you have it people - what we've seen over the last 15 months, including today's stunning victory, is better than office expectations. To repeat, what you have seen from Sussex CCC over the last 15 months, is better than what was expected. Truest thing Gordy's ever said. You can pick my words out to suit your argument. But read what I said properly and engage in proper debate which you actively encourage when you spiut your racist hate. So be fair scumbag or *** off Sussex got a deserved victory ,alright Derbyshire left the chink of light but we still barged it down with Leicestershire next at home,we all be expecting more. A rare occurrence we looked ok with the ball brooks showed his worth backed up by the rest of the attack with the bat we are so much improved this season,and waiting to see what results are to end of the season.
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