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Post by liquidskin on Jul 13, 2022 18:21:31 GMT
Which nicely emphasises the point Devon that we went into this game with 3 bowlers. And I think 2 of them are 20. It's incredibly unprofessional. Incredibly. We have an OS space. By the way, weren't you one of the hecklers who shot me down over my 2 OS bowler comment a while back? Even if it was a misunderstood point. It's a fair suggestion but I'd still go one of each.
Gordy, I'm underlining the fact that we're short, we have space, yet we do nothing about it. I'm underlining that the management are not fit for purpose if your a 4 day cricket fan like I am and like most on here are. There's an easy fix, and it ain't being fixed. I had a problem with my old motor a few weeks back. I didn't just scream about it though, I went and bought myself an Isuzu Rodeo. It's magnificent. It didn't just show up, I had to actually get it, after the screaming stopped. I can't do that with cricketers at Sussex unfortunately. I can certainly scream about a problem though.
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Post by coverpoint on Jul 13, 2022 18:51:45 GMT
Which nicely emphasises the point Devon that we went into this game with 3 bowlers. And I think 2 of them are 20. It's incredibly unprofessional. Incredibly. We have an OS space. By the way, weren't you one of the hecklers who shot me down over my 2 OS bowler comment a while back? Even if it was a misunderstood point. It's a fair suggestion but I'd still go one of each. Gordy, I'm underlining the fact that we're short, we have space, yet we do nothing about it. I'm underlining that the management are not fit for purpose if your a 4 day cricket fan like I am and like most on here are. There's an easy fix, and it ain't being fixed. I had a problem with my old motor a few weeks back. I didn't just scream about it though, I went and bought myself an Isuzu Rodeo. It's magnificent. It didn't just show up, I had to actually get it, after the screaming stopped. I can't do that with cricketers at Sussex unfortunately. I can certainly scream about a problem though. There is zero chance of Sussex signing an overseas bowler as the playing budget has been wasted on a million overseas players for the T20 and no chance of promotion. |
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Post by devonexile on Jul 13, 2022 19:19:56 GMT
Which nicely emphasises the point Devon that we went into this game with 3 bowlers. And I think 2 of them are 20. It's incredibly unprofessional. Incredibly. We have an OS space. By the way, weren't you one of the hecklers who shot me down over my 2 OS bowler comment a while back? Even if it was a misunderstood point. It's a fair suggestion but I'd still go one of each. Not Guilty Liquid. It would take both a stupid and brave man to heckle you and I am neither. I do admit I have always been reluctant to give up Pujara given his impact on the side and what his experience offers to the younger batters, but given our inability to bowl sides out twice, regretfully I feel we are at a point where the two overseas spaces going to bowlers is at the very least now worthy of serious discussion. Carson I feel has done enough to persist with as our main spinner with Lenham as back up whilst he continues to develop. The need to use the both overseas spots will depend for me on two factors. Firstly, whether Robinson is still with us and both able to recapture his previous good form and hungry to get his Test place back. Secondly, our ability to recruit a domestic quality wicket taking seam bowler. By that, I do not mean another in the latter stages of their career looking for a final pay day as we have recruited over the last few seasons (Claydon, Meaker and Finn). Having said that, fair play to Finn today, who I thought put in his best performance for us to date. I would even go as far as suggesting he now takes on the captaincy to the end of the season to allow Haines when he is fit to return to focus on recapturing his consistent batting displays from last season. Bottom line, I think we both agree the bowling resources and as a consequence selections this season are not only not good enough to win us matches, but won't get us where we need to be if we are serious about returning to Division One. |
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Post by liquidskin on Jul 13, 2022 19:57:23 GMT
I think it was those two trouble makers Ash & Phil. You were there though Devon, I saw you. We would have been better off with 2 OS bowlers than 2 OS batters I still believe, given our emerging batters and these horrific tracks we're playing on. Nobody knew that though. One of each is the way. What if it's only one though, as it is now? For me, a bowler.
CP, we were in the promotion race before this game, for sure. An outside bet yes but not out of the question. It's done though, yeah. We have no hope or aspiration, and that's the killer. If you were Haines, Carter or Orr and Notts or someone came knocking, where you at? Geographical loyalty only goes so far. No ambition, no team.
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Post by cday86 on Jul 13, 2022 20:15:39 GMT
I think it was those two trouble makers Ash & Phil. You were there though Devon, I saw you. We would have been better off with 2 OS bowlers than 2 OS batters I still believe, given our emerging batters and these horrific tracks we're playing on. Nobody knew that though. One of each is the way. What if it's only one though, as it is now? For me, a bowler. CP, we were in the promotion race before this game, for sure. An outside bet yes but not out of the question. It's done though, yeah. We have no hope or aspiration, and that's the killer. If you were Haines, Carter or Orr and Notts or someone came knocking, where you at? Geographical loyalty only goes so far. No ambition, no team. Sadly we were never in the promotion race before a ball was bowled! We can’t take 20 wickets, but we do have a promising top6. Keep them including Pujara and make additions (Robinson from Kent has been muted) plus 2/3 domestic bowlers we have a Div 2 promotion chance in 2023. Clear out the t20 mob in Mills, Ravi & highly rated stars for 3 games each - plus a change at the very top…………not much to asl ehhh!! |
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Post by devonexile on Jul 13, 2022 20:45:28 GMT
I think it was those two trouble makers Ash & Phil. You were there though Devon, I saw you. We would have been better off with 2 OS bowlers than 2 OS batters I still believe, given our emerging batters and these horrific tracks we're playing on. Nobody knew that though. One of each is the way. What if it's only one though, as it is now? For me, a bowler. CP, we were in the promotion race before this game, for sure. An outside bet yes but not out of the question. It's done though, yeah. We have no hope or aspiration, and that's the killer. If you were Haines, Carter or Orr and Notts or someone came knocking, where you at? Geographical loyalty only goes so far. No ambition, no team. Sadly we were never in the promotion race before a ball was bowled! We can’t take 20 wickets, but we do have a promising top6. Keep them including Pujara and make additions (Robinson from Kent has been muted) plus 2/3 domestic bowlers we have a Div 2 promotion chance in 2023. Clear out the t20 mob in Mills, Ravi & highly rated stars for 3 games each - plus a change at the very top…………not much to asl ehhh!! Some fair points there cday86. My only concern is are we able to identify and more importantly convince quality domestic targets to join us given the riches no doubt on offer elsewhere and our current lowly ranking. I can already hear some posters shouting on the second point, 'Yes, but look at how much we spent (wasted) on the revolving door of T20 Overseas and Bopara, Mills et al'. We also as Liquid quite correctly points out need to keep hold of our promising youngsters. I would have Haines, Orr, Carter, Clark, Alsop and Carson already signed up for the next four years. Mid table was a good aspiration with as many wins as losses for this season. I know we all want to get back to Division One, but a mid table finish would have been a good sign of progress. We aren't yet ready for Division One and if by some fluke we had managed it, I fear we would have come straight back down. Look at Gloucestershire this season. The aspiration should not only be to build a side to get promotion, but once we achieve it maintain that status. Regretfully, we may still be a couple of seasons from getting to that point. |
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Post by coverpoint on Jul 14, 2022 6:43:45 GMT
Sadly we were never in the promotion race before a ball was bowled! We can’t take 20 wickets, but we do have a promising top6. Keep them including Pujara and make additions (Robinson from Kent has been muted) plus 2/3 domestic bowlers we have a Div 2 promotion chance in 2023. Clear out the t20 mob in Mills, Ravi & highly rated stars for 3 games each - plus a change at the very top…………not much to asl ehhh!! Some fair points there cday86. My only concern is are we able to identify and more importantly convince quality domestic targets to join us given the riches no doubt on offer elsewhere and our current lowly ranking. I can already hear some posters shouting on the second point, 'Yes, but look at how much we spent (wasted) on the revolving door of T20 Overseas and Bopara, Mills et al'. We also as Liquid quite correctly points out need to keep hold of our promising youngsters. I would have Haines, Orr, Carter, Clark, Alsop and Carson already signed up for the next four years. Mid table was a good aspiration with as many wins as losses for this season. I know we all want to get back to Division One, but a mid table finish would have been a good sign of progress. We aren't yet ready for Division One and if by some fluke we had managed it, I fear we would have come straight back down. Look at Gloucestershire this season. The aspiration should not only be to build a side to get promotion, but once we achieve it maintain that status. Regretfully, we may still be a couple of seasons from getting to that point. We don't need Ollie Robinson from Kent as we have Carter. We simply don't have a bowling attack capable of taking 20 wickets and Pujara's runs are totally pointless unless we take 20 wickets in a game. We need two world class overseas bowlers next season, preferably one seamer and one spinner, if we are to challenge next season. Do we need Pujara with Haines, Orr, Alsop, Clark and Carter capable of batting in the top five I would suggest not. We also wasted vast sums on overseas players for the T20 (Rizwan, Khan, Seifert, Philippe and McCoy) as well as on players who are three years past their best in Bopara, Mills and Wright. Having missed an entire season I have grave concerns as to whether Carson will return as the same bowler he was before the injury. Championship runs Carter 546 @ 61 Clark 578 @ 48 Orr 533 @ 44 Haines 604 @ 43 Alsop 576 @ 38 The above five batsmen have already scored 500 runs this season so the batting is not the problem. However, the bowling is a totally different story with Crocombe being our top wicket taker with 15 @ 44. On another note, substitution rules need badly reviewing: Player called up for England - fine, can be substituted Player gets concussion - fine, can be substituted Player goes down with corona virus - fine, can be substituted Player breaks hand 30 minutes into the first day - not fine, cannot be substituted |
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Post by therealab1 on Jul 14, 2022 8:03:13 GMT
Some fair points there cday86. My only concern is are we able to identify and more importantly convince quality domestic targets to join us given the riches no doubt on offer elsewhere and our current lowly ranking. I can already hear some posters shouting on the second point, 'Yes, but look at how much we spent (wasted) on the revolving door of T20 Overseas and Bopara, Mills et al'. We also as Liquid quite correctly points out need to keep hold of our promising youngsters. I would have Haines, Orr, Carter, Clark, Alsop and Carson already signed up for the next four years. Mid table was a good aspiration with as many wins as losses for this season. I know we all want to get back to Division One, but a mid table finish would have been a good sign of progress. We aren't yet ready for Division One and if by some fluke we had managed it, I fear we would have come straight back down. Look at Gloucestershire this season. The aspiration should not only be to build a side to get promotion, but once we achieve it maintain that status. Regretfully, we may still be a couple of seasons from getting to that point. We don't need Ollie Robinson from Kent as we have Carter. We simply don't have a bowling attack capable of taking 20 wickets and Pujara's runs are totally pointless unless we take 20 wickets in a game. We need two world class overseas bowlers next season, preferably one seamer and one spinner, if we are to challenge next season. Do we need Pujara with Haines, Orr, Alsop, Clark and Carter capable of batting in the top five I would suggest not. We also wasted vast sums on overseas players for the T20 (Rizwan, Khan, Seifert, Philippe and McCoy) as well as on players who are three years past their best in Bopara, Mills and Wright. Having missed an entire season I have grave concerns as to whether Carson will return as the same bowler he was before the injury. Championship runs Carter 546 @ 61 Clark 578 @ 48 Orr 533 @ 44 Haines 604 @ 43 Alsop 576 @ 38 The above five batsmen have already scored 500 runs this season so the batting is not the problem. However, the bowling is a totally different story with Crocombe being our top wicket taker with 15 @ 44. On another note, substitution rules need badly reviewing: Player called up for England - fine, can be substituted Player gets concussion - fine, can be substituted Player goes down with corona virus - fine, can be substituted Player breaks hand 30 minutes into the first day - not fine, cannot be substituted When you put Ollie Robinson, George Garton, Fynn Hudson-prentice and Jack Carson in with Steve Finn do you seriously think we need 2 overseas bowlers next year? It's easy just to shout it because we have struggled like many teams to bowl sides out on placid pitches but with so much franchise cricket being played globally along with international cricket where are you going to find 2 capable bowlers and are around for 75% of the season? |
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Post by ashingtonmartlet on Jul 14, 2022 8:41:07 GMT
True. I guess you need a Pattinson or similar to suddenly become available. The attack you set out there is indeed a decent one, but all 5, it could be argued, are either injury prone or are currently out with long-term injuries, so an overseas seamer gives us that greater depth and someone to lead the attack. I would also still like to see an overseas batsman - ideally Pujara again? - as we are still a young side, and I think we would struggle without both of Pujara and Rizwan in the top 6.
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Post by joe on Jul 14, 2022 8:59:14 GMT
We need a Magoffin. Reliable but not likely to be called up for international duty. Unfortunately it’s a compete lottery and some you win some you lose.
You’d hope we wouldn’t have the same unavailability problems next year but I’d still go for an O/S front line seamer.
Handshakes at 5pm today.
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Post by therealab1 on Jul 14, 2022 9:20:47 GMT
True. I guess you need a Pattinson or similar to suddenly become available. The attack you set out there is indeed a decent one, but all 5, it could be argued, are either injury prone or are currently out with long-term injuries, so an overseas seamer gives us that greater depth and someone to lead the attack. I would also still like to see an overseas batsman - ideally Pujara again? - as we are still a young side, and I think we would struggle without both of Pujara and Rizwan in the top 6. Exactly! I'm not saying dont sign an overseas bowler just that it isnt easy finding one let alone 2. The pitch is the issue not necessarily our attack. Let's be careful here John, agreeing with each other shouldnt become habit :-) |
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Post by philh on Jul 14, 2022 10:00:16 GMT
We need a Magoffin. Reliable but not likely to be called up for international duty. Unfortunately it’s a compete lottery and some you win some you lose. You’d hope we wouldn’t have the same unavailability problems next year but I’d still go for an O/S front line seamer. Handshakes at 5pm today. Just what I was thinking, joe . Magoffin would be ideal now (the Magoffin of old, of course!) |
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Post by liquidskin on Jul 14, 2022 10:24:02 GMT
I have one word for you - Ishant Sharma. Don't be fooled by that looking like 2 words.
Free all season, played and delivered for us already. He is the answer both now and tomorrow.
And another one worded fella who would win us matches is Piyesh Chawla. He has and would win us games on his Hack Jones. We'd be on the brink of victory today if we had this guy.
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Post by liquidskin on Jul 14, 2022 10:25:37 GMT
And if you're wondering who Hack Jones is, you're not alone.
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Post by coverpoint on Jul 14, 2022 10:28:46 GMT
We don't need Ollie Robinson from Kent as we have Carter. We simply don't have a bowling attack capable of taking 20 wickets and Pujara's runs are totally pointless unless we take 20 wickets in a game. We need two world class overseas bowlers next season, preferably one seamer and one spinner, if we are to challenge next season. Do we need Pujara with Haines, Orr, Alsop, Clark and Carter capable of batting in the top five I would suggest not. We also wasted vast sums on overseas players for the T20 (Rizwan, Khan, Seifert, Philippe and McCoy) as well as on players who are three years past their best in Bopara, Mills and Wright. Having missed an entire season I have grave concerns as to whether Carson will return as the same bowler he was before the injury. Championship runs Carter 546 @ 61 Clark 578 @ 48 Orr 533 @ 44 Haines 604 @ 43 Alsop 576 @ 38 The above five batsmen have already scored 500 runs this season so the batting is not the problem. However, the bowling is a totally different story with Crocombe being our top wicket taker with 15 @ 44. On another note, substitution rules need badly reviewing: Player called up for England - fine, can be substituted Player gets concussion - fine, can be substituted Player goes down with corona virus - fine, can be substituted Player breaks hand 30 minutes into the first day - not fine, cannot be substituted When you put Ollie Robinson, George Garton, Fynn Hudson-prentice and Jack Carson in with Steve Finn do you seriously think we need 2 overseas bowlers next year? It's easy just to shout it because we have struggled like many teams to bowl sides out on placid pitches but with so much franchise cricket being played globally along with international cricket where are you going to find 2 capable bowlers and are around for 75% of the season? Will Robinson, Garton, Hudson-Prentice and Carson ever be fit or free of Covid ever again? They seem to be serial sick notes. |
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