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Post by coverpoint on May 21, 2023 18:08:53 GMT
Our bowling attack needs a complete overhaul. I share your frustration. How come we’re repeatedly able to bowl teams out fairly cheaply in the first innings but turn into powderpuff for the second innings? However, if we consider our bowlers in turn, the position isn’t so terrible. McAndrew has been outstanding and based on what we’ve seen so far, well worth retaining. Can anyone doubt we’d have won at least one of the last 3 games had he played instead of Smith? Kervelas took 5-136 in this game which is pretty respectable and he’s been consistently good for us. FHP had an off game with the ball but he’s played well this season and is a solid 4th seamer. Crocombe is just 21 and on a rapid improvement curve. Carson was good enough to be selected by the England Lions and is only 22. Hunt is a bit erratic but is only 21. He needs to hone his game in the 2nd team. Currie did well for us last year but hasn’t been given much opportunity yet this season. Then we have Coles, Ibrahim, Atkins, Lenham, Hinley, Finn (if he recovers), Rawlins (if he hasn’t disappeared somewhere near Bermuda) and Garton (fingers crossed). Joe Sarro might return too after graduating. If our young bowlers continue to mature and if the injury gremlins pick on some other team for a change, we don’t need to panic. Unfortuately we don't have Hinley as he was released without even being given a chance. I don't see Joe Sarro returning either based on his Eastbourne bowling figures.
Going into the game with just three frontline seamers was always going to be a risk.
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Post by ashingtonmartlet on May 21, 2023 19:12:03 GMT
Farbrace must be taking notes here. Without Robinson or McAndrew our bowling attack will struggle. It is frustrating as Sussex are getting closer and closer to winning games Players must be knackered. 3 away games, followed by this home game. Physically and mentally exhausting. To be honest if Atkins, Crocombe, Finn (always injured), Hunt and Currie cannot get in thi team should they even be on the staff? We need cover otherwise you’d be asking the same 4/5 bowlers to play every single game.
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Post by squarepoint on May 21, 2023 19:13:11 GMT
Thanks for the update on Hinley and Sarro, I wasn’t aware of that info. As for the selection against Glamorgan, I agree with you, especially given the runs they piled on against us last year, even if it did look like a masterstroke after 2 days. The Aussies will be laughing after this one. Smith and Labuschagne are both well acclimatised and Robinson joins the long list of injured English bowlers.
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Post by devonexile on May 21, 2023 19:52:16 GMT
Having spent an enjoyable two days at Hove, I left Friday evening with the view that not even we could fail to press home such an overwhelming advantage. The only question is whether we would win by an innings or need to knock off a nominal amount second time around to secure the win.
First off, well played Glamorgan even they must have thought game over after the conclusion of both first innings. However, another disappointing result. It feels like a loss rather than a draw. If it were a football match, we were 4-0 up at half-time and the opposition are down to ten players. We then miss a penalty, they score four to bring the scores level and we hang on by clearing one off the line in stoppage time.
Yes, batting got easier, yes they had Labuschagne, yes they were never going to roll over as easy second time around and yes we lost Robinson. But good sides find a way. Would Essex, Surrey, Lancashire, Warwickshire have failed in similar circumstances? Not a chance and yet it is this calibre of opposition we are striving to compete against in Division One.
Farbrace has done so much that is good since taking over the reins and is a significant upgrade on the previous incumbent. He must take some responsibility though for taking the gamble to go into a match with just three seamers (let us not kid ourselves, Haines is a part-timer nothing more), especially when overall control of the spearhead of that attack doesn't sit with him and is set out in an ECB contract.
Having said that, having the opposition eight down at lunch on the first day, squandering a 358 run first innings lead and failing to bowl Glamorgan out for less than 737 in over 200 overs with three new balls in over six sessions is inexcusable with or without Ollie Robinson.
Not wishing to steal Squarepoint’s thunder, but I to thought Karvelas bowled well and was perhaps unlucky not to get more wickets in the second innings. Haines did what Haines does; hold up one end without ever likely to pose any real problems to the batters. I am a big fan of Hudson-Prentice, but for some reason he decided to deliver probably his worst bowling display in a Sussex shirt (going at 9 an over at one point!!). Carson and Coles bowled far too many loose deliveries. If you can’t get a wicket, make it difficult for them to score. Neither they nor H-P did with regular and frequent boundary balls. Carson may be a great prospect, but a return of two wickets (one of them down to Carter’s initiative) for 216 runs in 54 overs is nowhere near what is required from your front line spinner.
The worry is other than McAndrew, we have very little waiting in the wings. Currie would be my choice, but for some reason couldn’t even make the squad this game. Was he injured? Crocombe still learning the game and needs time. Hunt nowhere near good enough based on what we have seen so far this season and Adkins even less so. Garton miles from his best given his recent injury and fitness issues. Finn, all I will say is Claydon and Meaker and leave it there.
I can already hear the protests, but I see Leicestershire have brought in Josh Davey on loan from Somerset. A good experienced proven domestic player with a first class average of under 23 and a strike rate of 48. Dare I suggest (Currie possibly aside) better than any of our aforementioned support cast?
I will also point out, whilst both were difficult chances, dropping Carlson (who always seems to score heavily against us) on 3 and 21 and seeing him go onto 192 has to be another missed opportunity in this match.
Our bowling attack second time around was Karvelas aside toothless and the wickets we took today were down to errors by the batters as opposed to good bowling. Add to this some strange tactics, taking the third new ball three overs late whilst Coles was bowling and offering easy singles when we just needed wickets and the batters weren’t even trying to manage who had strike showed further naivety.
Unlike others I don’t necessarily subscribe to the inclusion of Smith over McAndrew being a key factor in our failure to win recent matches. In this match (as in his first) he played a part in a key partnership, which if he had not our first innings lead would have most likely been considerably less. There is just no excuse, depleted attack or not that you should not find some way of winning form the position we found ourselves in after the half way stage.
On a more positive, after 6 matches almost half the season, we are second in the table unbeaten and having amassed a high number of bonus points. But for the weather and a slow over rate, we could well have been comfortably top. So there is still plenty to be optimistic about. Durham are the team to catch and Glamorgan and Worcestershire look our closest rivals. We have certainly improved on last year and are clearly a team that will be difficult to beat, but without much improved bowling performances in our remaining fixtures we run the risk of further opportunities to secure the victories we need slipping through our fingers.
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Post by devonexile on May 21, 2023 20:05:44 GMT
Farbrace must be taking notes here. Without Robinson or McAndrew our bowling attack will struggle. It is frustrating as Sussex are getting closer and closer to winning games Players must be knackered. 3 away games, followed by this home game. Physically and mentally exhausting. To be honest if Atkins, Crocombe, Finn (always injured), Hunt and Currie cannot get in thi team should they even be on the staff? You may or may not agree with me CP, but in my humble opinion Currie is up there with Karvelas and unless he was injured should have at the very least been in the squad for the current match if not in the side. Crocombe is a good prospect and is definitely worth persisting with and as such should be given opportunities as part of an experienced attack. Hunt and Adkins need time in the seconds as based on performances to date, don't look quite ready yet. Finn regrettably has been a disappointing signing, along the same lines of Claydon and Meaker. A great player in his time, but given his age, his injury record and Middlesex were unless I am mistaken happy to release him, the warning flags were all there to be seen.
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Post by surreysteve on May 21, 2023 20:32:20 GMT
Farbrace might consider a loan signing. Look at Virdi for my lot. Taking loads of wickets in the 2s but don’t even get in the 14 man squad!
When we get Curran back from the IPL someone like Gus Atkinson might not get a game. He would do a great job for you lot.
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Post by joe on May 21, 2023 20:56:01 GMT
Farbrace might consider a loan signing. Look at Virdi for my lot. Taking loads of wickets in the 2s but don’t even get in the 14 man squad! When we get Curran back from the IPL someone like Gus Atkinson might not get a game. He would do a great job for you lot. I’d bite your arm off for Atkinson!
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Post by Wicked Cricket on May 22, 2023 8:00:09 GMT
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Post by joe on May 22, 2023 8:23:07 GMT
Interesting tweet from Adrian Harms suggests that we are looking to recruit an O/S bowler for June/July.
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Post by therealab1 on May 22, 2023 8:39:43 GMT
Interesting tweet from Adrian Harms suggests that we are looking to recruit an O/S bowler for June/July. We need a quality opening bowler from the moment McAndrew leaves at the end of June.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on May 22, 2023 12:40:53 GMT
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Post by coverpoint on May 22, 2023 19:06:30 GMT
Interesting tweet from Adrian Harms suggests that we are looking to recruit an O/S bowler for June/July. We need a quality opening bowler from the moment McAndrew leaves at the end of June. I thought McAndrew was here until July.
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Post by coverpoint on May 22, 2023 19:08:41 GMT
To be honest if Atkins, Crocombe, Finn (always injured), Hunt and Currie cannot get in thi team should they even be on the staff? You may or may not agree with me CP, but in my humble opinion Currie is up there with Karvelas and unless he was injured should have at the very least been in the squad for the current match if not in the side. Crocombe is a good prospect and is definitely worth persisting with and as such should be given opportunities as part of an experienced attack. Hunt and Adkins need time in the seconds as based on performances to date, don't look quite ready yet. Finn regrettably has been a disappointing signing, along the same lines of Claydon and Meaker. A great player in his time, but given his age, his injury record and Middlesex were unless I am mistaken happy to release him, the warning flags were all there to be seen. Currie is not in the same class as Karvelas.
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Post by coverpoint on May 22, 2023 19:09:23 GMT
To be honest if Atkins, Crocombe, Finn (always injured), Hunt and Currie cannot get in thi team should they even be on the staff? We need cover otherwise you’d be asking the same 4/5 bowlers to play every single game. How good is the cover? We need quality rather than quantity.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on May 23, 2023 15:27:57 GMT
Ollie Robinson's scan yesterday revealed no damage to his ankle. After he was seen using crutches and wearing a protective boot on his left ankle for the last few days, England must have breathed a sigh of relief. Even so, the prognosis for Ollie's ankle soreness is a result of tendon irritation, which will be assessed by the England camp before the match against Ireland at Lord's starting June 1st. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/65682420
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