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Post by lovelyboy on Oct 27, 2023 13:02:01 GMT
One of the worst appointments in Sussex’s history. Superb news he’s finally gone.
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Post by trolleybuss on Oct 27, 2023 13:11:20 GMT
Over 50 posts on the SCCC Facebook page. All glad to see Andrew has gone except one person. No guesses to work out who that is!! Good riddance Andrew!!
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Post by squarepoint on Oct 27, 2023 19:47:01 GMT
Adrian Harms is being very diplomatic on the BBC website when he says “Rob Andrew's time at Sussex has generally divided the opinion of members and supporters”.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Oct 28, 2023 7:48:57 GMT
Here is that link to the Adrian Harms/Jon Filby interview. Filby's positive approach and support for Andrew is fully expected. Harms is caught between a rock and a hard place. Amusing that when he asks the question all supporters want answered: "Does the leaving of many high profile players justify the Andrew criticism," Filby curtly replies, "It is ill-informed!" Then goes on about cutting the players' salary bill to avoid going into debt. So, here is the dilemma faced by Sussex. Do you want to be a competitive club, being successful, in line for trophies, with happy stakeholders and supporters alongside a proud and thriving community or... be consistently failing, an embarrassment for the county, with stakeholders showing scant regard to be involved, for who wants to be associated with failure? As ever, there is always a balance between the two and Andrew went too extreme the other way. When you have an ECB as the counties financial nurse-maid, where you have Durham, Middlesex, Yorkshire Warwickshire and others proving that going into major debt does not mean the demise of a club, surely, common sense suggests, controlled and well-managed debt is not a mortal sin, if it brings success and a feel good factor to the county, while raising players for England. Success breeds success. www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0gp5vnvPS: The way forward is for a business consortium or a wealthy benefactor to buy the club and financially invest in its future. Simple common sense. |
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Post by therealab1 on Oct 28, 2023 8:37:28 GMT
Im just glad we have Jon Filby making this decision, I know he will get the right man in.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Oct 29, 2023 12:16:41 GMT
therealab1,his successor is blessed that they wont be hated from the start and have zero debt to walk into and a squad ready to compete for promotion next season.What a load of twaddle.  When Andrew’s CEO role was announced at Sussex CCC in late 2016, the feeling was of great surprise, even awe from supporters. Some even suggested Andrew was the finest Chief Executive the Club had ever appointed. How could you compare Andrew with Toumazi, for example, as Zac humorously pointed out during his leaving speech. Two very different levels of expertise. Then after sacking Davis and bringing in Gillespie before taking the Club to the T20 final in 2019, while close to being promoted to Division 1, Andrew’s popularity was sky high. Then Covid hit and the CEO became spooked. He was the doom and gloom doom sayer for county cricket and spoke widely to a variety of media outlets about the difficult challenges faced. Even suggesting, would county cricket survive the ravages of the pandemic? Via the club website, Cricket World and The Cricketer to the India Times, Sussex Express, even a magazine called Great British Life, he told all and asunder his doom gloom view, even stating that Sussex had lost "in the order of £3 million in revenue from members, supporters, events and hospitality and commercial partners for the summer of 2020.” Yet Andrew does not explain that players and staff were furloughed and the Club gained a healthy chunk of the £61 million the ECB put aside for the pandemic. Meanwhile, deciding to slash the top players’ salaries and therefore getting rid of them to other clubs, then employing the ‘bringing through the youngsters’ to appease fans, so that he could cut the salary bill by half, some might say was a cynical ploy. How many other counties did what Andrew did? How many purposefully got rid of their best players, so they could halve the salary bill? I am all for good business acumen, but this was too extreme and highly destructive to the Club. Where was the evidence that Sussex would go insolvent and shut down if he didn’t? There is no way the ECB would allow Sussex or any other county to go bankrupt. The Board has proven this over and over again. Re: the former players’ salary, during an interview with Jim May in 2016, he told me that Sussex CCC were mid-table for wages compared to other counties. How did the Club's salary bill compare to say Somerset, another non-TMG? Meanwhile, when Andrew arrived at his desk in January 2017, there was still around £1 million left in the Spen Cama pot. To use the excuse that the club’s top player exodus and recent failures are down to saving the county from bankruptcy is derisive. This is now the line the hierarchy is taking. Are supporters actually fooled by this? I only hope that whomever the new CEO is, he or she won’t be as extreme as Andrew. We all know that major new revenue streams need to be found. The Cama financial lifeline that helped the Club to achieve the halcyon days of the 2000s has gone. So, what can replace this revenue? Two music concerts a year won’t do it compared to Lancashire, for example, who make millions from theirs. The Hove county ground is too small for anything grand. Can the new ground developments help boost the financial pot? The CEO will need to be able to think out of the box and come up with new and further earning schemes to boost the finances. Either that, or track down a business consortium or wealthy benefactor to buy the Club with the promise of major investment, in particular, to increase players' salaries once more, to attract top cricketers to Hove, while holding on to the best ones. If this doesn't happen our leading young cricketers will be picked off methodically by Division 1 clubs and all we can afford are ageing players at the end of their careers.
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Post by therealab1 on Oct 29, 2023 19:53:18 GMT
therealab1,his successor is blessed that they wont be hated from the start and have zero debt to walk into and a squad ready to compete for promotion next season.What a load of twaddle. When Andrew’s CEO role was announced at Sussex CCC in late 2016, the feeling was of great surprise, even awe from supporters. Some even suggested Andrew was the finest Chief Executive the Club had ever appointed. How could you compare Andrew with Toumazi, for example, as Zac humorously pointed out during his leaving speech. Two very different levels of expertise. Then after sacking Davis and bringing in Gillespie before taking the Club to the T20 final in 2019, while close to being promoted to Division 1, Andrew’s popularity was sky high. Then Covid hit and the CEO became spooked. He was the doom and gloom doom sayer for county cricket and spoke widely to a variety of media outlets about the difficult challenges faced. Even suggesting, would county cricket even survive the ravages of the pandemic? Via the club website, Cricket World and The Cricketer to the India Times, Sussex Express, even a magazine called Great British Life, he told all and asunder his doom gloom view, even stating that Sussex had lost "in the order of £3 million in revenue from members, supporters, events and hospitality and commercial partners for the summer of 2020.” Yet Andrew does not explain that players and staff were furloughed and the Club gained a healthy chunk of the £61 million the ECB put aside for the pandemic. Meanwhile, deciding to slash the top players’ salaries and therefore getting rid of them to other clubs, then employing the ‘bringing through the youngsters’ to appease fans, so that he could cut the salary bill by half, some might say was a cynical ploy. How many other counties did what Andrew did? How many purposefully got rid of their best players, so they could halve the salary bill? I am all for good business acumen, but this was too extreme and highly destructive to the Club. Where was the evidence that Sussex would go insolvent and shut down if he didn’t? There is no way the ECB would allow Sussex or any other county to go bankrupt. The Board has proven this over and over again. Re: the former players’ salary, during an interview with Jim May in 2016, he told me that Sussex CCC were mid-table for wages compared to other counties. How did the Club's salary bill compare to say Somerset, another non-TMG? Meanwhile, when Andrew arrived at his desk in January 2017, there was still around £1 million left in the Spen Cama pot. To use the excuse that the club’s top player exodus and recent failures are down to saving the county from bankruptcy is derisive. This is now the line the hierarchy is taking. Are supporters actually fooled by this? I only hope that whomever the new CEO is, he or she won’t be as extreme as Andrew. We all know that major new revenue streams need to be found. The Cama financial lifeline that helped the Club to achieve the halcyon days of the 2000s has gone. So, what can replace this revenue? Two music concerts a year won’t do it compared to Lancashire, for example, who make millions from theirs. The Hove county ground is too small for anything grand. Can the new ground developments help boost the financial pot? The CEO will need to be able to think out of the box and come up with new and further earning schemes to boost the finances. Either that, or track down a business consortium or wealthy benefactor to buy the Club with the promise of major investment, in particular, to increase players' salaries once more, to attract top cricketers to Hove, while holding on to the best ones. If this doesn't happen our leading young cricketers will be picked off methodically by Division 1 clubs and all we can afford are ageing players at the end of their careers. So you've said a load of twaddle but you've then described exactly why the next CEO Has it good? You have a clear agenda and people that love cricket shouldn't listen to you You are advocating the biggest danger to our county championship and that's taking it way from members. You are to me the devil. A far right activist with his own agenda. Good luck SON but we won't bow down we will fight for our counties and we won't allow political agendas take over our sport. |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Oct 29, 2023 22:00:57 GMT
In all my years writing posts on blogs and Forums that has to be one of the most bizarre responses I have had. Good luck my fellow supporter. Beware of the voices. |
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Post by therealab1 on Oct 29, 2023 22:39:40 GMT
In all my years writing posts on blogs and Forums that has to be one of the most bizarre responses I have had. Good luck my fellow supporter. Beware of the voices. You know when a man's weak when they attack the mental health of someone. Pathetic |
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Post by therealab1 on Oct 29, 2023 22:46:42 GMT
In fact there are many things i will tolerate! I will allow my opinion to be discounted for whatever reasons but i will not and wont tolerate anyone mock my mental health or any one elses.
You mate are scum!
Beware of the voices is just too low.
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Post by joe on Oct 30, 2023 1:29:19 GMT
In fact there are many things i will tolerate! I will allow my opinion to be discounted for whatever reasons but i will not and wont tolerate anyone mock my mental health or any one elses. You mate are scum! Beware of the voices is just too low. Hold on a minute, you called him the devil. Don’t dish it out if you don’t want it to be served back. |
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Post by kevininnessupersub on Oct 30, 2023 8:21:24 GMT
Please, this forum is about cricket.
We all have our own opinions/ thoughts.
Please do not let opinions become personal.
Enough is enough.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Oct 30, 2023 8:29:49 GMT
Can I suggest that if you don't like something I post you don't respond and vice-a-versa.
That would resolve the issue. Being called "the devil and far right wing" simply because I
hold a different viewpoint is, in my book, just as below the belt. Also, stating "You have a
clear agenda and people that love cricket shouldn't listen to you"... What is the point of
having a Forum if you can't disagree with someone.
I agree with Kevin. This Forum is about cricket. Let us leave it at that.
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Post by enoughisenough on Oct 30, 2023 17:54:25 GMT
I can see nothing in Wicked Cricket’s posts that would remotely justify his being called a “far right activist”. Like many of us, he’s simply hoping that whoever comes next as CEO is not another who prioritises cost cutting over building a viable, balanced (between experience and youth) squad capable of challenging for honours. How could that possibly be contentious?
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Post by therealab1 on Oct 31, 2023 8:09:18 GMT
I can see nothing in Wicked Cricket’s posts that would remotely justify his being called a “far right activist”. Like many of us, he’s simply hoping that whoever comes next as CEO is not another who prioritises cost cutting over building a viable, balanced (between experience and youth) squad capable of challenging for honours. How could that possibly be contentious? Have a listen to how many times he says the word woke and criticises what the Yorkshire racial scandal. Anyway like I say debate is debate and I am entitled to respond as he is, I accept I shouldn't have called him the devil but refuse to accept calling him a far right activist is an insult. Mocking someone's mental health is very very low and I'm actually quite shocked that he's escaped criticism. I get from the usual suspects he will have support. Anyway back to the cricket, now Rob has gone it'll be interesting to see who applies or whether someone will be approached. I suspect Matt Prior to be amongst them. |
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