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Post by flashblade on May 26, 2015 11:56:57 GMT
Don't know if I misheard, but watching the Test highlights just now, one of the comms said that this match broke the record for the highest number of runs scored in a Lords test.
Can anyone comment on that?
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Post by leedsgull on May 26, 2015 16:17:31 GMT
That fact was quoted on TMS, as well as many other records broken in an extraordinary match. I am attending days 1 &4 of the Headingley match and will be delighted with ½ the excitement of this one.
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Post by hhsussex on May 26, 2015 16:35:51 GMT
1610 runs were scored in the match just finished, and I think the previous record was Gooch's match in 1990 which totalled 1603 ( England 653-4 and 272-4, India 454 and 224.
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Post by hhsussex on May 30, 2015 8:05:40 GMT
Another great example in the first day of the 2nd Test of what the first-class game has gained from T20. At any Headingley Test in the past a side that were 2-02, with a great swing bowl operating under sun, shower and overcast conditions would have battened down the hatches and played for survival, hoping to get to 150-180 in a shortened day, and hoping too that they'd manage that with no more than 6 or 7 wickets down. Often enough they would be all out in the same range.
Yesterday Latham first, then McCullum and finally Ronchi all brought the newly acquired techniques of turning round a tough situation through outrageous attack. This is different from the old amateur spirit of never giving in, because the old amateurs would never have tried to play some of the shots that these players did. No text-book will ever have plates lauding the glorious flat-footed bludgeoning of McCullum to swat a ball outside off stumpto somewhere behind long leg, and yet he does that to great advantage. Fields are hard to set, carefully researched plans based on data accumulation are rendered nonsense, and finally the opposition's nerve goes and if the bowlers don't serve up tripe then the fielders will clutch too soon or fail to react and catches will be shelled.
The bowling survived, more or less, but the fielding was diabolical, both in its setting and in the way that players understand their roles. England's slip fielding in these two games has been a series of square pegs forced into round holes and retaining the awkward results rigidly, suggesting that there is no fielding practice to drill in protocols for fifty-fifty chances between first and second slip, or to help some rather bulky individuals get down to those awkward ankle-high opportunities.
Today should be bright and dry, although worse weather is in store. A quick finish to the New Zealand innings, and then a chance for England to show how much has been learned from the last game, and how much of the New Zealand example can be appropriated. If Southee can get his line and length right then his short-format bowling skills could be lethal.
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Post by hhsussex on May 31, 2015 8:20:19 GMT
"A quick finish to the New Zealand innings, and then a chance for England to show how much has been learned from the last game, and how much of the New Zealand example can be appropriated"
Instead England reverted to the traditional methods. Traditional chasing-after-a-theory bowling and field setting for an hour to give New Zealand an extra 50 runs, and then rather better, traditional building of an innings. Fascinating to think what would have happened had Cook not gone at 75, or Lyth's slightly dodgy running got him out at the third time of asking. If we had been something like 240-1, would it then have been time to step up a gear with the taking of the new ball and unleash all these free-form flowing shots and naked aggression? That would have taken us to at least parity with New Zealand by the close with at least Buttler and Ali to follow on today.
As it is New Zealand bowled very well with the new ball and England looked horribly vulnerable on a wicket that didn't conform to the pattern of low and slow. Counter-attacking this morning might be an option, but if it doesn't come off England could be 300 all out, and facing a 300-400 target in a fourth innings on a deteriorating surface. Meanwhile Bell is enjoying his 40th (out of 110) drink in the last-chance saloon and I'm sure Trevor Bayliss will be taking in the lessons, good and bad, from this match and the last one.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 8:34:31 GMT
Can't really blame Lyth for getting run out.Dodgy call by Ballance, I thought.
For the first in a while I'd love England to win this Test, just so that the estimable Paul Farbrace can go down in history as the only England head coach with a 100 per cent record!
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Post by hhsussex on May 31, 2015 8:43:16 GMT
Can't really blame Lyth for getting run out.Dodgy call by Ballance, I thought.
For the first in a while I'd love England to win this Test, just so that the estimable Paul Farbrace can go down in history as the only England head coach with a 100 per cent record! I agree the call was dodgy, but Lyth and Cook twice had video referrals for run outs earlier. Not specifically Lyth's weakness but one area that needs to be worked on by the whole team, perhaps? Just to take up your usual stance, borderman, I'd love New Zealand to win because they are showing the way for a new approach to cricket, not just in slogging batting, but in the way they combine different skills within a pattern of imaginative field placings, quick understanding of changes to the dynamics of a game, and for not going by the script.
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Post by joe on May 31, 2015 11:54:03 GMT
Well batted Stuart Broad, honours even. What a test match this is turning into, hopefully the weather won't play a part.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2015 20:14:21 GMT
Quote of the day from Vic Marks on England's woeful bowling at the NZ tail: "The bowlers declined to aim for the stumps, fearful that they might be whacked over their heads for six, preferring to be smashed over square leg instead."
I'm sure Farbrace and Otiss Gibson knows these tactics are utterly useles, so the only conclusion is that Cook and Broad ignore the coaches and think they know better. Let's hope Bayliss can sort this nonsense out.
He also needs to tell Buttler and Cook and the rest of the slip cordon to stop encouraging the bowlers not to attack the stumps by applauding balls way outside off that require no shot. Instead of applauding they should surely be yelling at the bowlers, "top-of-off!" Apparently only 17 of 366 deliveries bowled by Broad/Anderson/Stokes/Wood in the NZ first innings would have hit the stumps.
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Post by hhsussex on Jun 1, 2015 20:59:31 GMT
Quote of the day from Vic Marks on England's woeful bowling at the NZ tail: "The bowlers declined to aim for the stumps, fearful that they might be whacked over their heads for six, preferring to be smashed over square leg instead." I'm sure Farbrace and Otiss Gibson knows these tactics are utterly useles, so the only conclusion is that C ook and Broad ignore the coaches and think they know better. Let's hope Bayliss can sort this nonsense out. He also needs to tell Buttler and Cook and the rest of the slip cordon to stop encouraging the bowlers not to attack the stumps by applauding balls way outside off that require no shot. Instead of applauding they should surely be yelling at the bowlers, "top-of-off!" Apparently only 17 of 366 deliveries bowled by Broad/Anderson/Stokes/Wood in the NZ first innings would have hit the stumps. It is the "too big to fail" syndrome: because x has played a large number of Tests and taken very many wickets therefore x must know better about high performance at Test level than any coach/commentator/observer....but not necessarily his competitors, who are respectful of his reputation but unimpressed by his current grasp of circumstance. The formidable combination of past experience and success builds on itself until a point is reached where no criticism can be allowed improve the performance of the player. At this stage the Titanic sinks, Singapore is lost to the little yellow men on bicycles riding up inland, and a new order reveals itself. Bayliss and Farbrace will have to deal with the problem institutionalised by the 100+ caps of a number of players: how will they keep on learning? Anderson, Broad, Bell and Cook are still admirable players in many respects and could do wonderful things for England, but England will not be successful as a team whilst it still anticipates the Broad who bowled with Prior, Strauss and Swann in close, and whose reputation was such that batsmen were frustrated into chasing the offside ball. Each of the others carries around with him his own daemon, once the talisman of his, and England's success, and now a piece of folklore, to be listened to indulgently, whilst pursuing more vital communication: Anderson's tantalising mix of swingers can be withstood if there is nothing potent at the other end; Bell's lapses are now more characteristic than his flourishes; Cook has regained the class of his batting peak but not the authority it once conferred. The result of this match is immaterial, what is more important is that the lessons from both of these Tests are understood and accepted: reputations and past performance count for nothing in the face of a vigorous new attitude and a team that has fully endorsed those ethics; young players can and will make mistakes but the worst thing older players can do is to assume that the mistakes are more likely to be prevalent than the successes; when faced with the unexpected then do not respond automatically with the preternatural order.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 6:47:32 GMT
The other factor is that if only 4 per cent of the balls bowled by England seamers would hit the stumps, would you ever give them an lbw?
If I was an umpire, I wouldn't. I'd say to the bowler, "the odds that was one of your rare stump-hitting deliveries are 25-1, so not out" and if I was wrong, let it be overturned on DRS.
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Post by fraudster on Jun 2, 2015 7:17:05 GMT
Well batted Stuart Broad, honours even. What a test match this is turning into, hopefully the weather won't play a part. About time. We deserve to lose and I hope we do. If that "17" stat is true it is almost mind-boggling. I agree with HH's post, I think, although I may have got lost in the rhetoric as it's quite early and it's quite a tortured piece, but if he's saying 'get rid of the old and in with the new' then that's what I agree with. For me the biggest problem is Broad and Moeen, and possibly Bell. Stokes is alright as he's a fifth bowler but Broad and Moeen need to be more potent. Broad has been living by the skin of his teeth now for about five years and has his feet well and truly under the table. One issue is, who would we replace him with? Who's banging on the door? If the impressive Kiwis can do this to our attack what will the Convicts do - ouch!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 11:06:20 GMT
Apparently even if there weren't Strauss's "issues of trust", there is no place for Pietersen in England's settled middle order.
That's the middle order in which Bell has scored 56 runs in his last 9 innings and Ballance has made 77 in his last six.
If they're still batting at three and four by the time the Ashes start, Johnson and Starc are going to blow them away...
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Post by flashblade on Jun 2, 2015 11:29:15 GMT
Apparently even if there weren't Strauss's "issues of trust", there is no place for Pietersen in England's settled middle order. That's the middle order in which Bell has scored 56 runs in his last 9 innings and Ballance has made 77 in his last six. If they're still batting at three and four by the time the Ashes start, Johnson and Starc are going to blow them away... You must not question Head Boy - he's one of us.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jun 2, 2015 15:11:01 GMT
You must not question Head Boy - he's one of us.Now here’s one headboy I wish the England team had. Just think of all that spooky paranormal fun the England team could get up to. We would win the Ashes at an eery breeze as the Australians spontaneously combust on the pitch whilst translucent inter- dimensional flying objects streak overhead. www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_z-8xFd85QMeanwhile, the X-Files is back next year with Duchovny and Anderson who have returned older and wiser alongside a new six-episode mini-series on Fox. Duchovny says he cried when reading the first script which he describes as being “fantastic”. But the most shocking paranormal revelation of all is not that Mulder is a pescetarian or been cured of his sex addiction but a musician and reincarnation of Bob Dylan’s muse who has written all his own songs and released an album called ‘Hell or Highwater’. It has even been given a rave review in ‘Rolling Stone’. www.rollingstone.com/music/premieres/hear-david-duchovnys-song-inspired-by-bob-dylans-super-bowl-ad-20150505
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