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Post by flashblade on Jun 14, 2015 16:33:25 GMT
New England didn't last long. A bout of slogging was cut short with overs wanting - never a good idea - and the bowling isn't good enough to stop New Zealand from staging a win at cruising speed. Buttler drops a crucial catch, Rashid isn't even as good as Moeen Ali, and the team hasn't gelled. Oh well, it was nice while it lasted!  |
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Post by mrsdoyle on Jun 14, 2015 17:52:24 GMT
New England didn't last long. A bout of slogging was cut short with overs wanting - never a good idea - and the bowling isn't good enough to stop New Zealand from staging a win at cruising speed. Buttler drops a crucial catch, Rashid isn't even as good as Moeen Ali, and the team hasn't gelled. Oh well, it was nice while it lasted! So we lost, but went down fighting, I'm still very optimistic about New England. I read two quotes from the England camp the other day. Buttler said if you are looking to score singles you will never hit 4's. Farbrace said he would rather England were bowled out for 180 in 20 overs than limped to 250 off 50. Sending players out to bat with that sort of clear instruction makes life very uncomplicated for the batsmen. All that is required is for half of them to come off more than half of the time. |
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Post by fraudster on Jun 14, 2015 20:50:26 GMT
New England didn't last long. A bout of slogging was cut short with overs wanting - never a good idea - and the bowling isn't good enough to stop New Zealand from staging a win at cruising speed. Buttler drops a crucial catch, Rashid isn't even as good as Moeen Ali, and the team hasn't gelled. Bit harsh. There are gonna be errors along the way, and there were today like the reckless slogging with seven down and ten to bowl or whatever, but as long as they recognise that balls-up and learn from it it's all good. Rashid looks alright to me, work needed but I like him. The bowling was nearly good enough and may have been without those dropped catches. Still promising for me, a massive improvement on the World Cup. Think I prefer either of Willey or Wood to Finn right now and I still think Taylor's very unlucky not to be playing ahead of Billings, who was impressive today mind. Love the batting line-up all in all, no more Bells and Cooks please. Hope we give Roy and Hales a summer long run regardless of this series. |
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Post by hhsussex on Jun 15, 2015 7:35:39 GMT
New England didn't last long. A bout of slogging was cut short with overs wanting - never a good idea - and the bowling isn't good enough to stop New Zealand from staging a win at cruising speed. Buttler drops a crucial catch, Rashid isn't even as good as Moeen Ali, and the team hasn't gelled. Bit harsh. There are gonna be errors along the way, and there were today like the reckless slogging with seven down and ten to bowl or whatever, but as long as they recognise that balls-up and learn from it it's all good. Rashid looks alright to me, work needed but I like him. The bowling was nearly good enough and may have been without those dropped catches. Still promising for me, a massive improvement on the World Cup. Think I prefer either of Willey or Wood to Finn right now and I still think Taylor's very unlucky not to be playing ahead of Billings, who was impressive today mind. Love the batting line-up all in all, no more Bells and Cooks please. Hope we give Roy and Hales a summer long run regardless of this series. "Bit harsh"? Is this the fraudster that we know for his refusal to ascribe to conventional (or any other wisdom) in his characterisations, or is it another imp?  But seriously, yes, I agree a massive improvement on the World Cup performance. A creditable draw against an Infants school XI would have been an improvement on that miserable team. There are some good players coming through and some signs that new management makes the players feel more at ease with themselves, but they are a long way from consistent performance. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2015 7:53:30 GMT
'New England' trying to smash everything out of the park is great entertainment. But the 'Old England' belief that it is criminal not to bat out the overs remains true.
I'm certainly not complaining about a couple of defeats and heartily applaud the new attitude. But at the same time it's 50 overs not T20 x 2.5 and England simply need to learn to marry the best of 'New' and 'Old', according to circumstance. For example, it turns out that Billings scoring a run a ball half-century yesterday would have been more useful than smashing 34 from 16. That would have taken his team towards 350 and victory and is probably what would have happened if James Taylor had been at the wicket.
But it's a tricky calculation to make; Billings would argue that with Stokes going well at the other end and only five wkts down, he had licence. He probably did. But on the other hand in three innings so far he hasn't stayed at the crease for longer than 16 balls, which can be a decent contribution in T20 but seldom in 50 overs.
England will certainly look at the failure to bat out the overs and may decide that they need Taylor (J) to play the less frenetic kind of innings that Taylor (R) and Kane Williamson have played to win the last two games for NZ.
It's worth remembering that even in the NZ side - whose brand of attacking cricket is being cited as the model for 'New England' - not every one of their batters plays like Brendan McCullum.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2015 19:46:00 GMT
This should possibly be in the quiz section, but what on earth do you think this cryptic headline on cricinfo is actually about?:-
Excitement grows at outside chance of historic moment
I was intrigued by how the words 'outside chance ' could possibly justify their presence in a headline and provoke such seemingly uncontainable excitement, even though the historic moment is admittedly unlikely to happen (my mind immediately raced to 'Outside chance giant meteor could destroy Aussie hopes of retaining Ashes' and other similarly appealing notions). But when I read the story , I discovered it was actually about the call-up of the second Overton twin to the England squad and the prospect that if Jordan and Plunkett are joined on the injury list by at least two more from Finn, Stokes, Wood and Willey, we might have an even more illustrious pair of cricket twins playing for England than the Bedsers.
Although Eric never actually played for England. But then the headline never said he did.
Nor that the Overtons will.
But the excitment is growing nevertheless and the moment would be historic.
If it happens.
Which it won't.
FFS!!!!!
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Post by fraudster on Jun 15, 2015 21:19:45 GMT
Yeah I did wonder about using the words 'bit harsh' - a high risk maneuver for the Fraudster.
Anywho, good cricket. Could have done with being a bit smarter at the 40 over mark as we all know, so England should too. Pitches seem nice.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2015 20:20:55 GMT
This should possibly be in the quiz section, but what on earth do you think this cryptic headline on cricinfo is actually about?:- Excitement grows at outside chance of historic moment
I was intrigued by how the words 'outside chance ' could possibly justify their presence in a headline and provoke such seemingly uncontainable excitement, even though the historic moment is admittedly unlikely to happen (my mind immediately raced to 'Outside chance giant meteor could destroy Aussie hopes of retaining Ashes' and other similarly appealing notions). But when I read the story , I discovered it was actually about the call-up of the second Overton twin to the England squad and the prospect that if Jordan and Plunkett are joined on the injury list by at least two more from Finn, Stokes, Wood and Willey, we might have an even more illustrious pair of cricket twins playing for England than the Bedsers.
Although Eric never actually played for England. But then the headline never said he did.
Nor that the Overtons will.
But the excitment is growing nevertheless and the moment would be historic.
If it happens.
Which it won't.
FFS!!!!!
Somone at cricinfo must read this forum. The preposterous 'Excitement grows at outside chance of historic moment' headline has been deleted and replaced with the more prosaic but accurate 'Overton twins team up for England'. |
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Post by flashblade on Jun 16, 2015 20:24:36 GMT
This should possibly be in the quiz section, but what on earth do you think this cryptic headline on cricinfo is actually about?:- Excitement grows at outside chance of historic moment
I was intrigued by how the words 'outside chance ' could possibly justify their presence in a headline and provoke such seemingly uncontainable excitement, even though the historic moment is admittedly unlikely to happen (my mind immediately raced to 'Outside chance giant meteor could destroy Aussie hopes of retaining Ashes' and other similarly appealing notions). But when I read the story , I discovered it was actually about the call-up of the second Overton twin to the England squad and the prospect that if Jordan and Plunkett are joined on the injury list by at least two more from Finn, Stokes, Wood and Willey, we might have an even more illustrious pair of cricket twins playing for England than the Bedsers.
Although Eric never actually played for England. But then the headline never said he did.
Nor that the Overtons will.
But the excitment is growing nevertheless and the moment would be historic.
If it happens.
Which it won't.
FFS!!!!!
The preposterous 'Excitement grows at outside chance of historic moment' headline has been deleted and replaced with the more prosaic but accurate 'Overton twins team up for England'. Know anyone at Cricinfo, do you BM? |
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Post by fraudster on Jun 17, 2015 21:28:44 GMT
New England didn't last long. A bout of slogging was cut short with overs wanting - never a good idea - and the bowling isn't good enough to stop New Zealand from staging a win at cruising speed. Buttler drops a crucial catch, Rashid isn't even as good as Moeen Ali, and the team hasn't gelled. Oh well, it was nice while it lasted! How's it when it comes back? A quality record breaking chase to set up the series nicely. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2015 23:27:56 GMT
I am loving this New England more and more (although it's not really that new as it's the world cup flops like Root, Morgan and Buttler who are winning games).
Someone should interview Prehistoric Pete and ask him why the batsmen who put in such constipated performances for him are turning it on big time for Paul Farbrace.
And talking of Farbrace, is anyone else beginning to wonder why we need Trevor Bayliss?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 6:54:57 GMT
I hugely enjoyed this splenetic attack on the ECB and Andy Flower's multi-million pound Loughborough empire by Dobell on cricinfo, explaining the success of Alex Hales: "He escaped the destructive chokehold of Bluffborough - cricket's biggest confidence trick since Allen Standford promised time travel and immortality - and instead worked as a delivery driver for a Chinese takeaway."
Overlooking the mispelling of Stanford's name, I can almost forgive him all the bluster and baloney he so often inflicts on his long-suffering readers for that one exquisite sentence...
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Post by fraudster on Jun 18, 2015 22:34:57 GMT
I hugely enjoyed this splenetic attack on the ECB and Andy Flower's multi-million pound Loughborough empire by Dobell on cricinfo, explaining the success of Alex Hales: "He escaped the destructive chokehold of Bluffborough - cricket's biggest confidence trick since Allen Standford promised time travel and immortality - and instead worked as a delivery driver for a Chinese takeaway." Overlooking the mispelling of Stanford's name, I can almost forgive him all the bluster and baloney he so often inflicts on his long-suffering readers for that one exquisite sentence... Astonishing. If only it was perfection. Anywho, I guess England fans on here are not so quick to forgive old Blighty for their prehistoric approach at the World Cup, despite what delivery boy said a few days ago. Personally, I am and I'm excited by our batting line-up, at least. We're breaking records all over the shop in this series - our records anyway. Surprised by the lack of posts after yesterday, it was phenomenal. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2015 19:34:02 GMT
What a great series win. Yet England are about to demote the coach and jettison more than half of their record-breaking, series-winning team, as Cook, Lyth, Ballance, Bell, Moeen, Broad and Anderson all return, leaving Root, Buttler, Stokes and Wood as the only survivors!
ps: Very revealing to hear Bairstow describe the dressing room he walked in to today as "carefree". What a credit to Paul Farbrace, who finally got England playing 'without fear' after Flower, Giles and Moores all paid lip service to the notion but applied methods doomed to produce exactly the opposite result.
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Post by mrsdoyle on Jun 20, 2015 22:05:12 GMT
Yes, a terrific win today, 45 for 5 yet they carried on, I felt the same as Borderman when I read Bairstow's comments, a tribute to Farbrace I felt. Seems we even have strength in depth now for a one day squad. I can't see the returning test squad members playing in such a joyful way, I wonder what has been going through their minds as they have watched the ODI's? Hopefully that they are not quite as integral to the team as they thought.
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