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Post by mrsdoyle on Jun 4, 2015 21:34:57 GMT
Apologies if there is already a thread in existence.
Just been watching W Indies V Australia, in particular Johnson and Starc bowling, and it is my considered opinion that England are toast.
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Post by hhsussex on Jun 5, 2015 7:44:54 GMT
Apologies if there is already a thread in existence. Just been watching W Indies V Australia, in particular Johnson and Starc bowling, and it is my considered opinion that England are toast. Thanks for starting this thread Mrs D. I haven't been watching the play but have been following on cricinfo and it does seem to show up some differences between Australian and English attitudes and outcomes. Against West Indies Australia fought to make breakthroughs with their bowling but once achieved they were relentless and on a helpful pitch they bowled them out for 148. Going in against them they found it hard work, particularly against an able and experienced spinner and at 126-6 West Indies could even have had a small first innings lead. The difference was that they gave a first cap to a 35 year old journeyman who has been on the circuit for over 15 years and has a high standard of consistency. He not only bided his time until he felt he had mastery of the bowling but also shepherded two of his tailenders until they felt comfortable to hit out. As a result, a maiden Test century on debut, and a first innings lead of 170. Contrast with England's hesitancy against the same opposition in 2 out of 3 matches, allowing inexperienced batsmen to take the match away from them by scoring big runs when England's fast bowling faltered and our spinning option proved inadequate. Consider how our senior batsmen, the oldest still much younger than Voges, failed to find the application when it was needed and the tail collapsed. The experienced player waiting his turn for Tests and then making a big impression, usually in the late middle order, has been a feature of Australian cricket since the 90s: Lehmann, Gilchrist, Hussey and Haddin have all had their time in the sun and turned rescue actions into dominant positions, and it looks as if Voges is about to do the same thing. He is at the extreme end of that queue: the oldest batting debutant for Australia since AJ Richardson in 1924/5, with only Bryce McGain, the ungainly legspinner of ignoble memory, being an older cap. There has been a complete reversal in these things, where English cricket was once full of long-serving players of 35 plus who held down their places and scored their 1000 runs every year, now they are curiosities, and it is common for them to retire or be retired at that age. The beginning of this phenomenon in English cricket was probably 2005, when the in-form and entirely fit Graham Thorpe, aged 35 was told he was no longer required in order that a place be found for a new, vital young talent. The result was that Thorpe took the hint and departed English cricket at the end of the season leaving it very much the poorer.
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Post by hhsussex on Jun 25, 2015 14:25:46 GMT
The Australians off to a good start against Kent, but where is Coles in the attack? Why is Riley playing rather than Tredwell? And where is Stevens, and why on earth is Harmison playing?
Australia seem to have done the decent thing by playing a strong squad and I hope it will be a properly contested game, so why have Kent "rested" some of their few really good players? Perhaps borderman is there and can tell us.
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Post by leedsgull on Jun 25, 2015 16:06:39 GMT
According to commentary Coles has played every game so far this season and is therefore resting.
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Post by fraudster on Jun 25, 2015 22:17:33 GMT
The Ashes. The old enemy. The poms against the convicts. Sports oldest rivalry.
Can't remember what I was gonna say now - night everybody.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 23:01:12 GMT
Apolgies for being solipsitic, but Borderman's personal Ashes got off to a wonderful start tonight at Rupert Murdoch's splendid new HQ at London Bridge, where we assembled on the 17th floor, offering the most iconic aerial views across the Thames, for the book launch of "The Times On The Ashes" , edited by my long-standing friend and colleague, Richard Whitehead.
It was a pleasure to share drinks and Ashes anecdotes with 60 years worth of Times' cricket correspondents, including Mike Atherton, Pat Gibson , Michael Henderson and a very frail-looking but cheery John Woodcock, who, astonishingly, began reporting cricket for The Times in the year of my birth, 1954 - more than 30 years before I got to know him as a Times colleague.
The late, great CMJ, whose insightful, cultured writing is much in evidence in the book, was represented by his wife Judy and his brother.
It was also good to be reminded by Atherton in an admirable speech that one of the rules of the press box is that you never cheer. Jon Filby please note !!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 23:02:09 GMT
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jun 26, 2015 9:21:13 GMT
Bm,
What a lucky chap you are. It must have been a very special evening.
As to cheering in the press box, I find it incredibly difficult not to when watching Sussex. I blotted my scorecard at Horsham last year, when Jordan took Trott's wicket and I automatically cheered. Goodness, the evil eye I got from the Warwickshire media!
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Post by hhsussex on Jun 26, 2015 9:47:58 GMT
Glad you enjoyed your evening borderman, but the link is pretty well useless to those 99.6% of the population who haven't paid for a subscription to the Diggerpress .
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 10:17:43 GMT
As to cheering in the press box, I find it incredibly difficult not to when watching Sussex. I blotted my scorecard at Horsham last year, when Jordan took Trott's wicket and I automatically cheered. Goodness, the evil eye I got from the Warwickshire media! Bet you got double rations of tea and cake from JF, though! I think Athers' comment may have been directed at the splendid Australian writer Gideon Haigh who was also in attendance and is writing on the series for The Times this summer...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 10:25:26 GMT
One interesting tit-bit I picked up was that Jason Gillespie has apparently been in a foul mood since Baylis trumped him for the England job and was picking fights with the press box over the most seemingly anodyne comments this week during the Yorks-Notts match!
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Post by hhsussex on Jun 26, 2015 13:36:51 GMT
Excellent figures for Hunn, 5-99 in an innings of 507 - must be due to his indulging in Hunnish practices. A very well-taken opportunity to show his prowess against a strong side, and the more pity that Coles was rested for this game. If he is so tired that he cannot rouse the impetus needed for a match against this quality of opposition then he is going to find it hard to progress his career, though staying with Kent is unlikely to bring the selectors to watch him. Good luck Kent, it looks as if the Australians, at least, are taking this game seriously.
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Post by hhsussex on Jun 26, 2015 13:37:35 GMT
Excellent figures for Hunn, 5-99 in an innings of 507 - must be due to his indulging in Hunnish practices. A very well-taken opportunity to show his prowess against a strong side, and the more pity that Coles was rested for this game. If he is so tired that he cannot rouse the impetus needed for a match against this quality of opposition then he is going to find it hard to progress his career, though staying with Kent is unlikely to bring the selectors to watch him. Good luck Kent, it looks as if the Australians, at least, are taking this game seriously.
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Post by mrsdoyle on Jun 26, 2015 17:32:02 GMT
As to cheering in the press box, I find it incredibly difficult not to when watching Sussex. I blotted my scorecard at Horsham last year, when Jordan took Trott's wicket and I automatically cheered. Goodness, the evil eye I got from the Warwickshire media! Bet you got double rations of tea and cake from JF, though! I think Athers' comment may have been directed at the splendid Australian writer Gideon Haigh who was also in attendance and is writing on the series for The Times this summer... I womanfully plodded through Haigh's Ashes to Ashes book this spring. He tried to be unbiased I thought, but having relayed the Broad edge behind, caught at slip, stood his ground incident saying that most batsmen, including Australians, don't walk and it evened out the incorrect decision to give Trott out, for the rest of the book he constantly referred to that moment with increasing hyperbole, such as 'nick to Haddin which almost left a gash in the ball en route to slip. I found it very tiresome.
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Post by hhsussex on Jun 29, 2015 7:41:01 GMT
The game against Kent seems to have confirmed some of the things we felt about this side: that they have a powerful bowling attack and are single-minded in their pursuit of victory, that they are committed to playing seriously. Obviously Kent, the weakest county now in the championship were rolled over by such a team, but it must have been great for the crowds there to see the contrasting defiant innings of Key in the first dig, and then Bell-Drummond in another mode entirely. Sad though to see the figures of Riley, so cruelly exposed, and to hear talk of how his action has been "amended" by his England coaches.
Overall, the most impressive thing is that there seems to be a resolve by Lehmann for his team to play "proper" warm-up matches and to contest them whilst getting his bowlers in trim and his batsmen attuned to the different pitches. Next stop is Chelmsford on Wednesday for another 4-day match against Essex. I doubt very much if Cook will be allowed to play a week ahead of the First Test - though I think that tactically it would be a very good idea for him to do so and get an idea of what his opposition looks like close-up -but I hiope that all of the rest of the Essex first-choices play.
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