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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 8:20:03 GMT
Interesting that Robinson admits there have been times in the field this season that Sussex have felt sorry for themselves. Shame Lees ducks the follow up question: why and whose responsibility is that? Cue Chris Adams motivational talk. |
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Post by jonboy on Aug 13, 2015 8:46:18 GMT
Having attended tonight as a premier member who had therefore paid for all group T20 matches and not attended any but paid the extra £20 tonight and also paid for 3 non members I feel extremely short changed. Whilst at the same time I am not surprised at all by the performance. This after all is a team that has now lost its last 8 matches in all competition. I'd like to hope that this awful,embarrassing loss actually galvanises the powers that be into doing something about this mess. Because that is what it now is. People in key positions seem to be getting away with making lame excuses after every loss which in any other walk of life let alone sport wouldn't be tolerated. It is blatantly obvious that change is needed. You can only get by so long explainining things away with a ' we are a family club punching above our weight' attitude. This is professional sport and the team is not performing. From the top down. Sussex WILL be relegated this season. There is no way the current set up can get enough points from 2 matches against Yorkshire and a far superior ( but supposedly inferior) Worcester team to stay up. And that as far as I'm concerned constitutes a disastrous season which doesn't merit one of the highest membership fees in the country I agree Sussex will be relegated. But it will not necessarily be a disaster but a great opportunity to regroup and build for the future and get back to winning ways. I've watched a bit of div two cricket this season and the standard is poor. The likes of wright, shahzad, Jordan and magoffin plus young players like machan, cachopa, finch, hobden, hatchett and Ollie Robinson will destroy other teams in div two and return Sussex to div one within a year and the youngsters will be better and more confident players for the experience of learning how to win again. Also a perfect time for new leadership. I'm not so sure BM, I think it will be a major setback if we are relegated. With everyone fit, we are a couple of quality players off being a side that could challenge for the title. What chance of attracting those players if we are in Division Two? I agree, if we keep the nucleus of the squad together, that we have a decent blend of youth and experience, and should be able to bounce back at the first time of asking. However, having lost the likes of Panesar, RHB, Prior, and now Yardy, and possibly Mills from First Class cricket, Sussex needed to, and have the opportunity now to add a couple of quality additions to the squad. If, as seems likely, we are relegated, it will be difficult to attract that type of quality. With the likelihood that Joyce and Magoffin may not be around much longer, making the need to recruit that quality now, even more important. To lose so many quality players in such a short space of time, without adequate replacements, will be a recipe for disaster. |
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Post by freddy838 on Aug 13, 2015 8:56:47 GMT
I'm not sure quality replacements are really going to be available. Counties seem much better at tying people to longer contracts now, so I'm not sure who is going to be free to move this winter, unless like with Shahzad they are unwanted by their club. To me, the key is bringing through the likes of Finch, Hudson-Prentice and yes hopefully Beer. We definitely need a leadership change, for all Robbo's considerable success with the club and unearthing gems from other counties, he hasn't got a great record at bringing on youth. I think we need Peter Moores back, he took Lancs from a shambles to Champions in a short amount of time largely with local talent. Get Wright to lead with his enthusiasm and I think it will work.
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Post by flashblade on Aug 13, 2015 9:24:01 GMT
I was there last night, and of course the result was disappointing for Sussex fans. But, the disappointment was surely tempered by the privilege of watching one of the great T20 innings from David Willey. How many of us have seen a 34 ball over before (without the benefit of wides and no balls) - even the 4 landed only a couple of feet inside the boundary. Some of those sixes were seriously huge. There hasn't been much appreciation of Willey's knock on this thread, although he received a standing ovation from the crowd when he reached his ton. Maybe excessive fandom filters out much of the enjoyment to be had from watching entertaining cricket?
BTW, last night one of the Sussex directors was overheard opining that relegation would not be such a big deal.
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Post by mrsdoyle on Aug 13, 2015 9:56:53 GMT
I agree Sussex will be relegated. But it will not necessarily be a disaster but a great opportunity to regroup and build for the future and get back to winning ways. I've watched a bit of div two cricket this season and the standard is poor. The likes of wright, shahzad, Jordan and magoffin plus young players like machan, cachopa, finch, hobden, hatchett and Ollie Robinson will destroy other teams in div two and return Sussex to div one within a year and the youngsters will be better and more confident players for the experience of learning how to win again. Also a perfect time for new leadership. I'm not so sure BM, I think it will be a major setback if we are relegated. With everyone fit, we are a couple of quality players off being a side that could challenge for the title. What chance of attracting those players if we are in Division Two? I agree, if we keep the nucleus of the squad together, that we have a decent blend of youth and experience, and should be able to bounce back at the first time of asking. However, having lost the likes of Panesar, RHB, Prior, and now Yardy, and possibly Mills from First Class cricket, Sussex needed to, and have the opportunity now to add a couple of quality additions to the squad. If, as seems likely, we are relegated, it will be difficult to attract that type of quality. With the likelihood that Joyce and Magoffin may not be around much longer, making the need to recruit that quality now, even more important. To lose so many quality players in such a short space of time, without adequate replacements, will be a recipe for disaster. I agree with Borderman, it's not as life and death as football, there is no Conference South waiting in the wings. Two players off being a quality side that could challenge for the title? Really? Go down, give the youth a chance, Wright the captaincy, win some games, get some enjoyment back in the dressing room and entertainment on the field for the long suffering members who have paid big money to watch dross for a large part of the last three seasons. Alcoholics can't get better until they face up to their problems, it's the same with Sussex, first thing is to stop deluding ourselves that we aren't as bad as we appear. Once we have faced the truth we can deal with it. |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Aug 13, 2015 10:03:21 GMT
I am not as gloomy as some others. I agree with Adams, Sussex must win 2 of their last
4 matches - one of them against Worcestershire. Achieve that and we will remain in
Division 1. That should give us around 160 points if we count those from the other two
games which is enough.
There are no other competitions to focus on plus there is the chance that both Hatchett
and Anyon are available with the outside chance of Jordan.
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Post by joe on Aug 13, 2015 10:37:46 GMT
No true Sussex fan wants their club to be relegated but, it could be just the kick up the a*** that we need. If, by some miracle, we manage to stay up my concern would be that nothing would change and we'd be in the same position this time next year!
In my opinion we should keep the core players, chuck out the dross, regroup and come out fighting, be it in Div 1 or Div 2
GOSBTS!
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Post by moderator1 on Aug 13, 2015 11:14:01 GMT
A reminder to all those contributing to the discussion that we have a poll open on Changing the Guard? unofficialsussexccc.freeforums.net/thread/464/changing-guard?page=1&scrollTo=12107Please vote or come up with your own alternative for others to support so that this forum can say to Sussex CCC that, "We love you, we want to see you do better and these are the quantified views of your supporters that you should take into account". |
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Post by flashblade on Aug 13, 2015 11:15:48 GMT
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Post by longhops on Aug 13, 2015 12:00:27 GMT
Have not posted for a while, so thought I would add my comments. Was at the Women's test at Canterbury yesterday. We left just as England tied themselves down and drove to see if Sussex could make it to finals day.(My son and I went to Hove back in 2007 to see Sussex clinch Finals day spot when they beat Yorkshire at the same time that Kent were putting Notts to the sword at Trent Bridge). So we hoped the omens would be good for both sides!
We were hoping for a Sussex win and an exciting game, different to what we had seen during the day. Sadly, it was not to be for the Sharks. Mahela was majestic and Josh Cobb's catch was stunning and possibly the moment that changed the game! Both Dom and I felt privileged to see such an outstanding knock from David Willey- an exciting ENGLISH batsman. I saw Andrew Symonds 100 for Kent a few years ago in this format and thought that I would never see such a superb knock again. How wrong I was! So I feel somewhat fortunate to see two of the best T20 100's ever scored.
My son Dom says it was the best innings he has ever seen in any format. So hats off to Northants who look like a strong team to go on to win it. Then again always The Spitfires! Am keeping my fingers crossed!
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Post by fraudster on Aug 13, 2015 19:37:56 GMT
Had the misfortune to watch this crap on sky go. All too predictable non performances from eight of the 11,only Nash, mahela and beer excepted. Robinson should show some dignity and resign. No shame in that; bayliss recently said the natural life span for any head coach in the same job was 4-5 years max. Joyce's commentary on sky was nauseous and compromised him in an utterly humiliating fashion. Big big changes needed in the culture of the club, on a par with 1997/98. The last six years under Robinson and Joyce have been a catastrophic failure. It is like watching Sussex when we were at our very worst back in 1997/98. Changes need to be made at the club from top to bottom. The whole culture needs to change. I don't believe Robinson and Joyce are the only problem. I believe the whole coaching staff from Director of Cricket Mark Robinson down to Academy coach Keith Greenfield needs replacing. It's stale, stagnant and in terms of the Academy is producing very little for the Sussex first team despite the talent being there. For whatever reason the Sussex Academy coaches are simply not good enough to bring the local talent through. Maybe. Haven't they done a job in bringing through Finch, Jackson and H-P to name the latest three? They can't pick the first team as well. The problem is with coach and captain plausibly. It's thoroughly evident that a young player gets one chance from time to time and if things don't go particularly well, he's gone. Older players get chance after chance, despite how badly they do. Heaven help you if you're young and from Sussex. |
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Post by fraudster on Aug 13, 2015 20:52:15 GMT
Of course some counties give a lad or two a chance www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/33906773At 18, he'd be about three or four years away from a one-day dead rubber had he stayed at Sussex. Luckily for him our coaches thought he was s**t. Or too small, whatever. |
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Post by coverpoint on Aug 17, 2015 19:15:37 GMT
The last six years under Robinson and Joyce have been a catastrophic failure. It is like watching Sussex when we were at our very worst back in 1997/98. Changes need to be made at the club from top to bottom. The whole culture needs to change. I don't believe Robinson and Joyce are the only problem. I believe the whole coaching staff from Director of Cricket Mark Robinson down to Academy coach Keith Greenfield needs replacing. It's stale, stagnant and in terms of the Academy is producing very little for the Sussex first team despite the talent being there. For whatever reason the Sussex Academy coaches are simply not good enough to bring the local talent through. Maybe. Haven't they done a job in bringing through Finch, Jackson and H-P to name the latest three? They can't pick the first team as well. The problem is with coach and captain plausibly. It's thoroughly evident that a young player gets one chance from time to time and if things don't go particularly well, he's gone. Older players get chance after chance, despite how badly they do. Heaven help you if you're young and from Sussex. Where have the last three players to be added to the Academy come from? Holland, Jersey and Bermuda which is hardly bringing through local talent! |
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Post by fraudster on Aug 17, 2015 20:50:43 GMT
Who are they? Sakande? If any of them are girls it don't count. How long's KG been in the job? We have several grads regularly turning out for the firsts, we have H-P, Jackson and Finch waiting in the wings (for a frigging eternity probably so good luck to them with that) and we have several who should be promoted this year, like Salt and Garton - KG can only get them into the squad, not the eleven, so is he doing a bad job? Did he make the call on Crane I wonder? I'd allow the odd slip-up if you're putting two or three in the squad each year. It's not his fault if they don't get picked.
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Post by flashblade on Aug 18, 2015 7:31:15 GMT
Who are they? Sakande? If any of them are girls it don't count. How long's KG been in the job? We have several grads regularly turning out for the firsts, we have H-P, Jackson and Finch waiting in the wings (for a frigging eternity probably so good luck to them with that) and we have several who should be promoted this year, like Salt and Garton - KG can only get them into the squad, not the eleven, so is he doing a bad job? Did he make the call on Crane I wonder? I'd allow the odd slip-up if you're putting two or three in the squad each year. It's not his fault if they don't get picked.Perhaps Robbo doesn't think the ones he produces are good enough? |
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