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Post by hhsussex on Jun 18, 2016 7:51:24 GMT
After all those thrills and spills and madcap moments of white-ball cricket its time to get serious again. Next week's game is the halfway stage in the championship and a second successive win would give motivation for the critical games ahead - 2 in July, 4 in August and 2 in September. It is most unlikely that Sussex will be promoted with only one place available but a strong pursuit and further development of the young and exciting talents we have will be the real building blocks for the future.  Andy Mackay Tweeted this picture of the ground in preparation yesterday
We don't know if Taylor is fit, and Jordan will now go off to join the England limited over circus for a month but most of the team picks itself:
Joyce
Nash
Wells
Taylor (or Machan)
Wright
Finch
Brown
Shahzad
Garton
Magoffin
Whittingham
No place for Briggs and I don't think Beer is more likely than any of the 4 seamers, or even Luke Wells, to take wickets at Arundel. It is possible that he and Hatchett will be included in the squad, whenever that is announced.
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Post by coverpoint on Jun 18, 2016 12:49:18 GMT
Joyce
Nash
Wells
Taylor (or Finch and move Wright and Machan up one position)
Wright
Machan
Brown
Shahzad
Magoffin
Garton
Whittingham
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2016 12:54:39 GMT
Taylor unfit again last night. Be interesting if he wants to play a four day game.
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Post by jonboy on Jun 19, 2016 8:42:37 GMT
I haven't given up on promotion, although we've obviously given ourselves a lot to do. With the squad they have at their disposal, anything less than promotion, or a top two place, which would have achieved that, before they changed the rules, will be seen as failure for the new regime. As has been said, win this one and we will be there or thereabouts at the half way stage. Get the overseas for the second half of the season right, and we should have a much better second half
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Post by flashblade on Jun 19, 2016 9:00:15 GMT
I haven't given up on promotion, although we've obviously given ourselves a lot to do. With the squad they have at their disposal, anything less than promotion, or a top two place, which would have achieved that, before they changed the rules, will be seen as failure for the new regime. As has been said, win this one and we will be there or thereabouts at the half way stage. Get the overseas for the second half of the season right, and we should have a much better second half Not sure that's fair, jonboy. Davis inherited a difficult situation, and I wouldn't call him a failure if we don't finish in the top 2. The failure occurred last year when the squad was badly mis-managed - Robinson bottled the captaincy change and team morale plummeted. Robinson's great legacy was relegation to Div 2. |
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Post by fraudster on Jun 19, 2016 9:13:44 GMT
I haven't given up on promotion, although we've obviously given ourselves a lot to do. With the squad they have at their disposal, anything less than promotion, or a top two place, which would have achieved that, before they changed the rules, will be seen as failure for the new regime. As has been said, win this one and we will be there or thereabouts at the half way stage. Get the overseas for the second half of the season right, and we should have a much better second half Not sure that's fair, jonboy. Davis inherited a difficult situation, and I wouldn't call him a failure if we don't finish in the top 2. The failure occurred last year when the squad was badly mis-managed - Robinson bottled the captaincy change and team morale plummeted. Robinson's great legacy was relegation to Div 2. We still have a team that's too good for this division, so it would be a failure. Can't believe so many of you have written off our chances in the CC this year, with S&F going as far to say any chance of promotion can be dismissed - very negative. In case anyone needs reminding, we are 32 points adrift of leaders Essex with a game in hand, and we're not even half way - it isn't three points for a win you know. A win against this bunch of ragamuffins this week and we're right up there. Nobody's mentioned Robinson here - imagine he'll play instead of Garton. That's not what I would do but probably the way we'll go. One thing is sure, when I look, and I find, I still love you. No not that. One thing is sure, we are better than these boys and we have to show it. |
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Post by jonboy on Jun 19, 2016 9:19:51 GMT
I haven't given up on promotion, although we've obviously given ourselves a lot to do. With the squad they have at their disposal, anything less than promotion, or a top two place, which would have achieved that, before they changed the rules, will be seen as failure for the new regime. As has been said, win this one and we will be there or thereabouts at the half way stage. Get the overseas for the second half of the season right, and we should have a much better second half Not sure that's fair, jonboy. Davis inherited a difficult situation, and I wouldn't call him a failure if we don't finish in the top 2. The failure occurred last year when the squad was badly mis-managed - Robinson bottled the captaincy change and team morale plummeted. Robinson's great legacy was relegation to Div 2. Difficult in what way? The loss of Matt Hobden, of course, must have effected all at the cricket club, so I will cut him some slack for that. Other than that, I'm not sure what else should have stymied our progress. He inherited a squad, that a lot believed, should have been able to challenge in all competitions, and that was in the top division. To that squad, he was able to add Danny Briggs, and had the luxury of being able to plug any gaps with a new overseas signing. We also had a batch of promising youngsters looking to break into the starting eleven. A side containing the likes of Nash, Joyce, Taylor, Wright, Jordan, Shahzad, Magoffin and Briggs, should be far too good for this division. I don't think it unfair, to suggest that we have again underachieved in the first three months of the season. There is though, still time to put things right, and I agree, the effect of the new regime cannot really be fully assessed until the seasons end |
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Post by flashblade on Jun 19, 2016 9:32:16 GMT
Not sure that's fair, jonboy. Davis inherited a difficult situation, and I wouldn't call him a failure if we don't finish in the top 2. The failure occurred last year when the squad was badly mis-managed - Robinson bottled the captaincy change and team morale plummeted. Robinson's great legacy was relegation to Div 2. , so it would be a failure. Can't believe so many of you have written off our chances in the CC this year, with S&F going as far to say any chance of promotion can be dismissed - very negative. In case anyone needs reminding, we are 32 points adrift of leaders Essex with a game in hand, and we're not even half way - it isn't three points for a win you know. A win against this bunch of ragamuffins this week and we're right up there. Nobody's mentioned Robinson here - imagine he'll play instead of Garton. That's not what I would do but probably the way we'll go. One thing is sure, when I look, and I find, I still love you. No not that. One thing is sure, we are better than these boys and we have to show it. We had a team that was too good for division 2 last year, so being good enough is irrelevant if they don't perform to their potential. I haven't written our chances off yet. I was only commenting on jonboy's suggestion that it would be a failure if we finish outside the top 2. |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jun 19, 2016 10:26:30 GMT
Hands up, I was feeling a bit down when I made my comment about the Championship.
To see Jordan now leave us for periods of time when he's in such rich form is disappointing and while one wishes Mills every good fortune,
if he proves successful for England that is another player we may wave the white hanky to during, perhaps, important moments of a T20 season.
Re: Mr Fizz, Luke Wright in an Adrian Harms interview during Friday evening, says Mark Davis will, again, be speaking to Fizz's representatives
on the phone today. I can't help think that Keith Greenfield should be on a plane to Bangladesh and be there on the spot rather than rely on
clinical overseas phone calls.
Meanwhile, of course, we still have an opportunity to gain that No.1 spot in Division 2. We win 2 games in a row and the club are back in contention but we
are relying on some of our youngsters to consistently step up to the mark, while Ross Taylor leaves us at the end of July; and not forgetting Murray
Goodwin who returned to Australia on June 4th. Will there be a batting consultant replacement? The club silence over this whole matter is eerie.
As Martin Luther King Jr says, "We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope", which for me, sums up Sussex, at present.
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Post by fraudster on Jun 19, 2016 16:30:40 GMT
We still have a team that's too good for this division, so it would be a failure. Can't believe so many of you have written off our chances in the CC this year, with S&F going as far to say any chance of promotion can be dismissed - very negative. In case anyone needs reminding, we are 32 points adrift of leaders Essex with a game in hand, and we're not even half way - it isn't three points for a win you know. A win against this bunch of ragamuffins this week and we're right up there. Nobody's mentioned Robinson here - imagine he'll play instead of Garton. That's not what I would do but probably the way we'll go. One thing is sure, when I look, and I find, I still love you. No not that. One thing is sure, we are better than these boys and we have to show it. We had a team that was too good for division 2 last year, so being good enough is irrelevant if they don't perform to their potential. I haven't written our chances off yet. I was only commenting on jonboy's suggestion that it would be a failure if we finish outside the top 2. But if they don't perform to their potential, as they didn't last year, then it comes down to the coach, as it did last year. So it's completely relevant if you agree we're too good for the division. If we're too good for the division, and we are, then anything other than first spot is failure - coach and captain. If we'd have lost Mags, Joyce and maybe one or two others of that ilk and gone more youthful, like I would have, then there's a little more room in the success area. We didn't, so there isn't. I should have started my second sentence as a separate paragraph Flash, that comment wasn't directed at you. Regarding first placed Essex and our 'distant' hopes of catching them, if we win this game we will have the same win lose draw record as they have/had after seven games. Hashrag perspective. Did I say that right, hashrag perspective? |
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Post by joe on Jun 20, 2016 7:39:06 GMT
Joyce
Nash
Wells
Taylor ( Finch )
Wright
Machan
Brown
Robinson
Shahzad
Magoffin
Whittingham
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2016 10:00:10 GMT
I haven't given up on promotion, although we've obviously given ourselves a lot to do. Let's hope it is a result wicket and not the rather turgid surface we've seen at Arundel in recent years. All the rain about in the early part of the week may mean draws are on the cards for Essex, Worcs and Kent. Second half of the week the forecast is much better so Sussex may have an ideal opportunity to make up ground. Tradition is to play a spinner at Arundel, so Briggs could come back into the side. But his presence so upsets the balance that I'd hope not and that Wells and Nash will be relied upon to provide the spin options and keep the over rate up to the mark. |
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Post by coverpoint on Jun 21, 2016 21:03:53 GMT
Given Davis' previous team selections Beer and Finch will be the two to miss out.
Joyce
Nash
Wells
Wright
Machan
Brown (wk)
Robinson
Shahzad
Whittingham
Briggs (should be Finch though)
Magoffin
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2016 21:42:19 GMT
Taylor unfit again last night. Be interesting if he wants to play a four day game. Not a lot of desire from our two overseas players. |
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Post by hhsussex on Jun 21, 2016 21:49:55 GMT
Taylor unfit again last night. Be interesting if he wants to play a four day game. Not a lot of desire from our two overseas players. I don't think Taylor has really excelled, but a hamstring injury is quite limiting, and not the same thing as "a lack of desire"...to play, I presume. |
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