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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2016 19:07:07 GMT
Unless things changed radically on Day 4 this is the tamest wicket on the planet. Hardly a ball beat that bat on Day 2. I started to feel that, at 62, I could probably play Rabada most of the time. Obviously some batsmen are going to fail on any given day but when you only have 5 batsmen and one of those is Finch as opener, you are effectively crossing your fingers and hoping. 333 is a poor score on that track. We might still save this game but so what? It might have been if we had batted first but we might also have lost. Let's hope the temperature keeps rising and the Kent bowlers are fatigued so we can cling on to what's left for us to take. Agreed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2016 22:52:37 GMT
If I was Northeaast, I'd bat again in the morning, hit out and then set Sussex a target of say 320 in 80 overs.
More chance of Kent bowling Sussex out if a carrot is dangled and Sussex are chasing a target rather than just seeking to bat out the day for a draw.
Doubt Kent will be bold enough to do it, though. They will enforce the follow-on, which will kill the game and make the draw a near certainty.
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Post by joe on Jul 20, 2016 10:05:16 GMT
We effectively lost 7 wickets for 29 runs with 33 overs of dot balls between them.
But it was a road for the Kent batsmen?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2016 10:49:10 GMT
We effectively lost 7 wickets for 29 runs with 33 overs of dot balls between them. But it was a road for the Kent batsmen? It's called a one-way street.
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Post by hhsussex on Jul 20, 2016 10:56:04 GMT
We effectively lost 7 wickets for 29 runs with 33 overs of dot balls between them. But it was a road for the Kent batsmen? Not exactly a road. Let me describe what I saw in two sweltering, tedious days (Monday and Tuesday) enlivened only by the company of friends, several from this forum. The wicket itself is slow and rather spongy, with strong bounce from one end only, the pavilion end, whence most of the wickets have fallen. The ball doesn't come easily onto the bat and so it inhibits strokeplay. In that respect, not very different from the wretched Hove wicket v Glamorgan a couple of weeks ago, and numerous others up and down the country this season. The outfield is very slow as well, most of the strokes that would normally go for four ending up as twos. The reason for that is that it is a public park and the gardeners there have ensured that all the grass, either side of the boundary rope is of the same uniform length, quite respectable for walking on but not up to county standards. As the game has progressed two things have happened: the bounce from the pavilion end has become more variable, and the heat and the pressure of getting to that big score have worked on the minds of the Sussex batsmen. The two Lukes both played their normal game, which was what we would have wanted them to, and both perished; Wells playing forward constantly, determined not to give his wicket away, content to pick up whatever runs he could, in the end succumbed to a medium pace cutter from Claydon that didn't rise as it should have; Wright played to his strengths, determined to lead by example and for a time succeeded while Taylor took a back seat, but it was not a pitch for handsome strokes and in the end Rabada got one to lift a little more and he top-edged. That doesn't excuse Sussex but it would probably have been similar if Sussex had won the toss. They would certainly have batted first, found it hard going but made a big score and then Jordan and Whittingham would have exploited the variable bounce, Magoffin might have got some batsmen trapped by his movement, and Briggs would have done as Tredwell did and pinned down one end: both in fact operated largely from the railway end. It would be nice to think that, faced with a Sussex 575, we might have induced something closer to 233 in reply. Now we have to hope that in cooler, overcast conditions Sussex block away until either a rainstorm hits, or an early handshake. Another dreary game to add to the score this season, with the slight inspiration of Wright getting back into form and Taylor doing what he should have done at least twice before, in his final game. Briggs' bowling was a qualified plus, he bowled tightly for long periods and only got the hammer he endured because of a lack of support from the other end. Beer didn't exactly get carted but in his several short spells gave no hint that a longer spell would make any difference: he is good enough to appear in a first-class match without disgracing himself but no more than that. A fourth seamer, particularly Robinson if fit and firing, could have helped, but the pitch would always be the master.
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Post by joe on Jul 20, 2016 11:33:17 GMT
You don't win games by playing two containing bowlers, you win by taking 20 wickets.
The Beer experiment hasn't worked.
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Post by grandavefan on Jul 20, 2016 13:04:29 GMT
Listening to the game, reading this I think that the wicket is not quite good enough. Kent probably in retrospect batted too long. BM has the right idea, set a target that is gettable and entice Sussex.
Briggs has done well. Beer has done OK. Some of you forget that a leg spinner is an attacking bowler. They need a wicket that gives a bit of assistance and batters perhaps attacking. His games so far haven't had that. Give the boy a chance. 2 and a bit games is that really fair to judge someone? I think this is the team format to go with. I don't see 4 seamers doing much more apart from taking a long time to bowl overs. I think Sussex have some good seamers coming through and some already good first picks. I think Briggs and Beer will turn out to be a good combination. Give some time, they'll learn from each other and improve. The batting has some youth (Finch, Macham, Wells) This should now be a development season ready for 2017. This season, consolidate, learn and now build. I always felt it unrealistic to expect the bounce back. Too many of you are dreamers. The disappointment for me is the T20 performances of Nash (one score, albeit very good), Machan, Jordan (with the bat) and Brown/Cachopa (with the bat). Bowlers as good as any team.
My only wish is for someone at the top to drive things. I don't see Greenfield as that person.
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Post by flashblade on Jul 20, 2016 14:08:06 GMT
Quote: "Listening to the game, reading this I think that the wicket is not quite good enough."
Too true. Bearing in mind that Kent charged £20 per day to spectators, I feel strongly that they should be obliged to prepare a wicket that will provide entertainment to the cricketing public. I had to leave at tea on day 1 because it was so tedious, and I changed my mind about going to days 2,3 and 4. The wicket was far too slow and the outfield needed a good mow. What on earth is Tunbridge Wells playing at? If they can't provide conditions for 1st class cricket, then Kent shouldn't play there. Is TW Kent's Arundel - untouchable for reasons of tradition?
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Post by hhsussex on Jul 20, 2016 14:26:05 GMT
Quote: "Listening to the game, reading this I think that the wicket is not quite good enough."
Too true. Bearing in mind that Kent charged £20 per day to spectators, I feel strongly that they should be obliged to prepare a wicket that will provide entertainment to the cricketing public. I had to leave at tea on day 1 because it was so tedious, and I changed my mind about going to days 2,3 and 4. The wicket was far too slow and the outfield needed a good mow. What on earth is Tunbridge Wells playing at? If they can't provide conditions for 1st class cricket, then Kent shouldn't play there. Is TW Kent's Arundel - untouchable for reasons of tradition? Interestingly, the story I heard is that TW is much more Kent's Horsham. It seems that a few years ago the local council told Kent they could no longer afford to sponsor the festival, and at the time Kent's marketing efforts were weak and they were on the point of giving up when a private sponsor underwrote the whole costs personally. Since then they have taken on a new and dynamic Marketing Director (coverpoint will know the person referred to) and they have secured a couple of commercial sponsors and saved the festival. You may remember hearing the announcements for Parker's Building Supplies - for all your needs! (Presumably not including pitch preparation). Unfortunately, unlike Horsham Kent don't have responsibility for grounds maintenance.
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Post by flashblade on Jul 20, 2016 14:40:10 GMT
Quote: "Listening to the game, reading this I think that the wicket is not quite good enough."
Too true. Bearing in mind that Kent charged £20 per day to spectators, I feel strongly that they should be obliged to prepare a wicket that will provide entertainment to the cricketing public. I had to leave at tea on day 1 because it was so tedious, and I changed my mind about going to days 2,3 and 4. The wicket was far too slow and the outfield needed a good mow. What on earth is Tunbridge Wells playing at? If they can't provide conditions for 1st class cricket, then Kent shouldn't play there. Is TW Kent's Arundel - untouchable for reasons of tradition? Interestingly, the story I heard is that TW is much more Kent's Horsham. It seems that a few years ago the local council told Kent they could no longer afford to sponsor the festival, and at the time Kent's marketing efforts were weak and they were on the point of giving up when a private sponsor underwrote the whole costs personally. Since then they have taken on a new and dynamic Marketing Director (coverpoint will know the person referred to) and they have secured a couple of commercial sponsors and saved the festival. You may remember hearing the announcements for Parker's Building Supplies - for all your needs! (Presumably not including pitch preparation). Unfortunately, unlike Horsham Kent don't have responsibility for grounds maintenance. It's all very well financing the match, but the ground conditions have to be up to scratch. Kent should require (nay, demand!) acceptable playing conditions from its outgrounds.
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Post by flashblade on Jul 20, 2016 15:31:00 GMT
I've just noticed that Kent charge £!5 for admission to CC matches at Canterbury, but for the privilege of watching "Festival Cricket" at Tunbridge Wells, you have to pay £20. Having sampled the delights of TW this week, I'm feeling very p*ssed off about this arrogant pricing differential. What's the justification, Kent CCC? I've never known Sussex stoop to this behaviour.
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Post by hhsussex on Jul 20, 2016 16:04:49 GMT
I've just noticed that Kent charge £!5 for admission to CC matches at Canterbury, but for the privilege of watching "Festival Cricket" at Tunbridge Wells, you have to pay £20. Having sampled the delights of TW this week, I'm feeling very p*ssed off about this arrogant pricing differential. What's the justification, Kent CCC? I've never known Sussex stoop to this behaviour. Cold (?) comfort for you, but here is this from the We Are Kent site: Finding myself flush and a day to kill, I went off to Tunbridge Wells this Sunday for the first day of this match. I paid £20 to get in. This I sort-of expected, though I was dismayed to see the sheet in front of the table (which, admittedly, is replicated on the Kent website) showing that if I'd pre-booked 24 hours earlier I could've saved a fiver. This dismayed me in itself. Living in London I'm now used to paying £15 to sit in the Vauxhall End for Division One Championship matches, or even £18 (£5 on the fourth day) for one of the best views in cricket, behind the bowler's arm (and they make sure to open whichever of the Compton or Edrich is behind the arm) facing the Lord's pavilion and watching Middlesex maybe win the Championship (hope not!). No discounts for advance booking there; quite right, as it's charlatan-like when county grounds are never full. I got there early enough and took a seat at the top of the temporary blue-seated stand at the Pavilion End. That was alright, but when I pottered off for a pint twenty minutes before lunch then pottered back, a hi-viz jacketed steward asked for my ticket and presented with it said "Ah yes, this ticket is ground only; for non-members it's £5 to sit here" This dismayed me. £25 to watch Division Two cricket from a fair position on an out-ground is a rip-off. I spent the afternoon session on the chairs next to the Pavilion End sightscreen, where the ground falls away from the pitch and where the viewing was poor. I'd been planning to come for a couple of days of this year's Canterbury Week, for the experience. This all made me feel I really shouldn't reward Kent by going. Luckily the stewards cleared off at tea and I was able to spend the evening session in the elevated position, so I am reconsidering abandoning the Week. That stand at the Pavilion End was less than half-full through the day, so it was hardly as if I might have deprived a member of a seat by being there. By the same token, when I was in the cheap seats, a man in a Sussex shirt came back with an ice cream and said to his friends "I ordered a £2 ice cream; he charged me £3; he's got an extra pound from me, but I would've spent £20 or more there over the 4 days. He'll not get another penny from me now"." Apparently Kent Tweeted that today's admission price is £5.
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Post by joe on Jul 20, 2016 17:35:03 GMT
I've just noticed that Kent charge £!5 for admission to CC matches at Canterbury, but for the privilege of watching "Festival Cricket" at Tunbridge Wells, you have to pay £20. Having sampled the delights of TW this week, I'm feeling very p*ssed off about this arrogant pricing differential. What's the justification, Kent CCC? I've never known Sussex stoop to this behaviour. Sussex charge £16 general entry for a CC game but for the tourist game they charged £18 to watch what was almost a second XI.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2016 18:06:58 GMT
Yes, atrocious non-cricket wicket of the kind that is going to kill the game. What were Kent thinking of?
Naive tactics by Northeast, too. As said last night, if Sussex were asked to bat out the day on a turgid wicket offering nothing to either bat or ball, then the draw was guaranteed.
He actually needed to send in his two biggest hitters first thing this morning, bash 50-60 more runs and declare. The only way Kent were going to take ten wkts on that horrible 22 yards strip of s*** was to dangle a carrot , bowl the two spinners and entice the Sussex batsmen to hit them over the top in pursuit of victory.
Hopeless, miserable excuse for a game of cricket , from first ball to last.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jul 21, 2016 18:43:01 GMT
Fb,
Dead right. Maybe we need a batting coach? BTW, can anyone enlighten us about the search for Goodwin's successor?
I spoke to Adam Matthews around 10 days ago about this issue. There is NO batting coach replacing Goodwin. Two months and that's it. No-more money left in the coaching budget!!
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