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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2016 13:57:50 GMT
As the Kent innings starts it's salutary to note that three of the Kent top four have scored double centuries this season.
The one who hasn't is Sam Northeast. But he has scored 191 and a couple of other scores in the 180s!
Going to need Magoffin to be at his best.
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Post by joe on Aug 31, 2016 16:24:55 GMT
As the Kent innings starts it's salutary to note that three of the Kent top four have scored double centuries this season. The one who hasn't is Sam Northeast. But he has scored 191 and a couple of other scores in the 180s! Going to need Magoffin to be at his best.And of course Robinson and Shahzad who have strengthened the bowling......not! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2016 17:08:07 GMT
As the Kent innings starts it's salutary to note that three of the Kent top four have scored double centuries this season. The one who hasn't is Sam Northeast. But he has scored 191 and a couple of other scores in the 180s! Going to need Magoffin to be at his best.And of course Robinson and Shahzad who have strengthened the bowling......not! What have you got against them? Shahzad topped the avges last season with 22 First Div wkts in 5 matches before he got injured and Ollie took 46 wkts at 24. With Jordan absent, the trio of Magoffin, Shahzad and Robinson is the strongest attack we can put out by a mile. Graton, Whittingham and Archer may well be better one day or they might not. No way of telling because at the moment they're just kids taking their first tentative steps in county cricket. Really don't understand why you are so determined to rubbish Shahzad and Robinson, both of whom have shown they can trouble Div One batsmen, and should therefore be more than capable of bowling out Div Two sides. |
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Post by fraudster on Aug 31, 2016 17:20:24 GMT
Congratulations Borderman, you have won the award for the most bizarre statement on this MB this season, and I read S&F's blog, sometimes. Robinson and Shahzad over Garton and Archer strengthens the bowling - astonishing. What you been watching?
Anyway, now that I've stopped laughing hysterically, the reason we are getting a pounding is because Lady Luck is *** us royally. That is it. We are missing Joyce, Wright, Machan, Finch and four of our best bowlers in Jordan, Garton, Whittingham and Archer. Or should Robinson and Shahzad be on that list? Ah man, that's gonna kill me for ages.
There's nothing we could have done with this one. Good luck Sussex. Borderman can come back on in two days and remind us of what he said. Not the ridiculous thing but the thing he might be right about. Should have been a *** fortune teller mate.
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Post by joe on Aug 31, 2016 17:34:09 GMT
And of course Robinson and Shahzad who have strengthened the bowling......not! What have you got against them? Shahzad topped the avges last season with 22 First Div wkts in 5 matches before he got injured and Ollie took 46 wkts at 24. With Jordan absent, the trio of Magoffin, Shahzad and Robinson is the strongest attack we can put out by a mile. Graton, Whittingham and Archer may well be better one day or they might not. No way of telling because at the moment they're just kids taking their first tentative steps in county cricket. Really don't understand why you are so determined to rubbish Shahzad and Robinson, both of whom have shown they can trouble Div One batsmen, and should therefore be more than capable of bowling out Div Two sides. I have absolutely nothing against Robinson and Shahzad, I am a Sussex supporter and want all our players to star, but I also want Sussex to win and they are more likely to do that by playing the in-form players. What players did last year has no bearing on what they are doing this year. I hope they both come good again and their poor season so far can be turned around. No one would be more delighted than me if Robinson and Shahzad take all 10 wickets BUT on their current form it ain't gonna happen. Hopefully Garton and Archer will be back for the next game. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2016 18:08:20 GMT
Joe - you and fraudster remind me of the excitable scribblers of the NME, who have to discover a new 'future of rock'n'roll' in every week's issue only to discard them a few months later when their second record isn't as good as their debut.
Archer, Garton and Whittingham have played 13 championship games between the three of them. None of them has yet taken a five-for and they average 39, 35 and 32 runs per wkt respectively. They've bowled some decent wicket-taking balls but have a tendency to leak runs, as you would expect from young and naive bowlers still learning the game. They may well be 'the future of rock'n'roll'. But at the moment they are apprentices and to claim they are better than the proven quality of Shahzad and Robinson on the strengh of encouraging debut singles when none of them has yet made their first album is daft and frothy pop hype.
At least fraudster is consistent in his punk-like contempt for the prog 'dinosaurs' - he not only wants Shahzad and Robinson to be banished to the second XI but he wants Magoffin dropped as well.
You are also unfairly harsh and accusatory about Robinson's "poor season", Joe. The unfortunate lad has had shin splints, which I'm told is an incredibly painful condition. It meant he couldn't be exposed to first team cricket and had to be nursed so he could be fit for the "run-in". At least that's what Mark Davis said and I expect him to play the remaining games of the season, regardless of whether our trio of young tyro seamers are fit and available or not. I don't know about Shahzad and whether the problem has been attitude or a hangover from his injuries of last season. Possibly a bit of both.
But the problem isn't really the young bowlers, who at least show some promise that the coaches can work with,is it? The bigger problem is the batting reserves because none of Christian Davis, Finn-Prentice or Salt appear to be anywhere near ready for the cauldron of county cricket. Adrian Harms hinted on commentary that after his disastrous introduction to the first XI, Davis may have already packed his bags. Does anyone know what's behind that and whether it is true? He said he's going to ask Mark Davis about it this evening...
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Post by joe on Aug 31, 2016 20:02:21 GMT
Robinson has been getting runs and wickets in the 2nds regularly, I think if he was going to be selected he would have played against Glamorgan instead of Garton. The fact that he wasn't picked makes me think there's something else going on with him, perhaps he hasn't got up to the desired fitness level or perhaps he's out of favour for some other reason. He does have a bad disciplinary record. I've heard that Machan has had an op on his wrist and is out for the season, as is Finch. This leaves the cupboard rather bare. I agree Davis looked out of his depth and shouldn't play. Much as I would always advocate playing our young contracted players, I think if we want to push on for the title ( however remote that might be ) it may be a good time to bring someone in like Eskinazi on loan. If not then Fynn H-P in for Machan and Whittingham in for Robinson. Nash Salt Wells Wright Brown H-P Wiese Briggs Whittingham Garton Magoffin BM, I'd like to draw your attention to this post which I posted before the team selection. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2016 20:27:37 GMT
You want to "draw my attention" to his "bad disciplinary record" as a teenager at Yorkshire as a reason why you don't want him in the side in 2016 ??
I actually know the inside and unpublished story on what happened at Yorkshire via a family source, and it concerns an 18/19 year-old kid who was sacked for persistently being late for training sessions, because every time he wasn't required at Headingley he loyally returned to Kent to see his girlfriend and didn't always get back in time...and he then had a little problem with his driving licence, I think.
Your suggestion that he "hasn't got up to the desired fitness level or perhaps he's out of favour for some other reason" is unsubstantiated and scurrilous gossip. I've been highly critical of Sussex's lack of transparency in the past. But unless you can prove otherwise, I prefer on this occasion to believe Mark Davis's explanation that he had shin splints and was being carefully managed so he could play a full part in the run-in.
If you are telling us that Davis was being less than honest about this, I think you owe it to us to spill what you claim to know rather than just dropping dark nudge-nudge hints that there is something nasty in the woodshed...
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Post by joe on Sept 1, 2016 1:20:06 GMT
I was trying to give an explanation as to why he hadn't been selected before now. Surely shin splints, as you so rightly say, is a very painful condition and would hurt whether you're playing first or second team games? Why then has he continued to bowl 36 overs in a match for the 2nd XI if he is in so much pain and being ' nursed ' back to fitness? It doesn't add up, so there must be another explanation. I was merely guessing at what the explanation could be which is why I started my sentence with ' perhaps ' I certainly didn't say that I didn't want him to play, what I said was that he and Shahzad wouldn't strengthen the bowling ( on the evidence of this years form )
Let's see how he and Shahzad perform in this match and whether they are selected ahead of the 'kids' for the next one.
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Post by hhsussex on Sept 1, 2016 7:03:42 GMT
Yesterday was at least a much better day for extras, 10 leg byes, 4 no balls and no byes. The first no ball, conceded by Magoffin, brought up 200 for the season, for the first time since 2013, when 221 runs were given away in no balls. As far as I can tell, delving back, the record seems to be 2010 when 311 no balls were given away. Rana Naved was a key offender as was Lewry, who along with Robinsoin contribted to the 2001 figures of 298 no balls and 63 wides.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2016 8:51:53 GMT
Interesting comment from a Kent supporter: "Not one over of spin was delivered all day. Tactically that was perfectly correct, but if wickets in a dry late summer don't give slower bowlers any encouragement there is little point in the likes of Briggs and Tredwell playing, and little likelihood of fresh spin talent emerging in England."
I make that spot on. Allowing the away side to dispense with the toss and insert the home team was intended to encourage spinners but has failed to do so. The ECB needs to go back to the drawing board.
I have one very simple idea, which sidesteps the difficulty of persuading clubs and their groundmsen to produce wickets that turn. It is this.
Increase the required over rate from 16 to 17 per hour and impose the sanction of losing points rigidly. That will force captains to select spinners and to use them.
It would probably even work with the current 16 overs per hour if the sanction of losing points was enforced. Instead all kinds of spurious stoppages are taken into mitigation, so that we end up with the farce of play ending 30 or even 40 minutes late and still no points being deducted as the over-rate barometer, which has read minus 3 or 4 all day, is miraculously gerry-mandered back to zero.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2016 10:23:56 GMT
Luke Wright has a muscle tear in his arm. My guess is that we won't see him again this season.
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Post by philh on Sept 1, 2016 14:01:50 GMT
Luke Wright has a muscle tear in his arm. My guess is that we won't see him again this season. Oh well, just as well we aren't top and worrying about holding on to our lead. I was wondering how many CC games Luke will have played if that's his lot for the season. |
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Post by coverpoint on Sept 1, 2016 14:11:35 GMT
Whilst our top five may lack experience the same can not be said about our bowling which at the start of the season with the exception of Wiese or Jordan is first choice. We scored 100 too little with the bat and have now allowed Kent to get 100 with the ball. Magoffin apart none of our bowlers have been up to the mark. Shahzad and Robinson showing why Archer and Garton were preferred. Briggs going for over five an over. Wiese one of the poorest overseas players we have ever had. Looking at the seconds we have played 47 players this season including 30 trialists. This shows there is no consistency of selection.
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Post by hhsussex on Sept 1, 2016 14:27:23 GMT
This is an example of a game which has gone withe toss award. There was quite a bit of life yesterday which Kent exploited well and thus dominated the inexperienced young players.
Today the pitch has played progressively slower and the hit the deck bowling of Wiese and Shahzad has been quite ineffectual and Briggs has been a token figure of impotence. Bad luck, bad regulations and a lack of batting depth have all contributed. Kent have played well and have benefited from their two late seaon recruits: Gidman and Viljoen.
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