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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2016 13:36:16 GMT
Great stat from our Kent friends -
The on-loan Gidman batted for 240 balls without being dismissed.
Sussex in their first innings managed to lose ten wickets in 245 balls. In the second innings our heroes were a little more adhesive and lost ten wickets in 251 balls.
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Post by coverpoint on Sept 2, 2016 13:44:37 GMT
A rubbish performance from Sussex with bat and ball with only Magoffin emerging from the game with his reputation. The other ten players deserve to be lined up and shot!
I don't think the coaching staff are up to it as we are not seeing any improvement in performances in fact 95% of players have gone backwards under the current coaching setup. Perhaps we should play the blind team as they couldn't do any worse!
Priority number 1 this winter should be employing a full-time batting coach. Someone once joked on the old message board that he could piss for longer than Tony Cottey can bat. The same statement now applies to the whole Sussex team. Words I would use to describe this performance. Woeful, pathetic, spineless, gutless, clueless need I go on! It wasn't 180 pitch but nor was it 500 pitch! 120 light with the bat and 200 too many runs conceded with the ball. The batsman are getting the blame but the bowling was just as rubbish if not worse considering the experience of the players in our bowling attack. To be honest with the exception of Magoffin they are not even fit to wear the Sussex shirt and are a disgrace! If Davis was a football manager he would have been sacked a long time ago! We need a replacement coach that is a disciplinarian and will kick the players arses in order to get a performance because Davis doesn't seem capable of getting the players to perform. Time for performance related pay contracts!
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Post by imranswife1 on Sept 2, 2016 14:34:55 GMT
Davies should resign as the this is the very least he can do ........... Grizz for me next year(s)
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Sept 2, 2016 14:45:39 GMT
Yesterday I bet £1 with a colleague at what time the match would be over. I said 3pm - he said 3.30pm. We both lost by two hours or more.
At least the Long Room Restaurant "just" about got their lunch bookings in for the third day. So, that's something positive.
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Post by grandavefan on Sept 2, 2016 14:54:41 GMT
CP it's OK to be angry. For a club without money who do they get to be coach? Who do they sign in the winter? Buttons won't attract!
This has been brewing for the past 3 years. Robinson and Greenfield caused this. Robinson because he wouldn't trust, blood and use local players preferring to bring in and put them in front of the locals. IMO most were not equal to those locals. Greenfield because he failed to bring through any players for 3-4 years. To achieve that takes longer going through the age groups/academy process.
I would put some blame at Joyce's feet too. He was afraid to use youth and was too safe, even negative with his captaincy.
I would certainly focus on groundsman. I have said before he must make wickets that will aid Sussex. Having no toss this week and to see Kent bowl showed a man who doesn't know how to produce a wicket to suit Sussex,variable bounce here and on others they were dead and flat with no hope of a result. Think Glamorgan?
As for Adams, a fan I am but.... And that is the problem. Until ZT and JM go he has no chance of getting a job at Sussex. I hope I'm proved wrong.
But don't think he will change it overnight, he won't.
Something has happened and time has not healed the wounds with some people.
I do think that the majority of this squad ARE good enough and next year they will come back stronger.
MD & LW will be a year wiser and better equipped.
Have some faith CP. Have faith supporters
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Post by theleopard on Sept 2, 2016 15:45:35 GMT
We need a replacement coach that is a disciplinarian and will kick the players arses in order to get a performance... No. Coaches need to be good man managers and approach the players as individuals. Some players will not respond to this. Isn't a lot of the current praise for Trevor Bayliss for being exactly not that kind of coach? |
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Post by joe on Sept 2, 2016 16:01:45 GMT
I don't think Mark Davis should get the rap for this defeat. He can only go with what's available, it's not as if he left anyone out who would have done any better, in fact he was forced to play a 17 year old who has another year at school before he's even offered a contract.
It was a combination of bad timing, bad luck and bad cricket.
Bad timing because Joyce, Jordan and Archer were unavailable and bad luck because Wright, Machan, Finch, Whittingham and Garton were injured. Thats 8 players of whom at least 6 would have played.
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Post by coverpoint on Sept 2, 2016 16:49:41 GMT
I don't think Mark Davis should get the rap for this defeat. He can only go with what's available, it's not as if he left anyone out who would have done any better, in fact he was forced to play a 17 year old who has another year at school before he's even offered a contract. It was a combination of bad timing, bad luck and bad cricket. Bad timing because Joyce, Jordan and Archer were unavailable and bad luck because Wright, Machan, Finch, Whittingham and Garton were injured. Thats 8 players of whom at least 6 would have played. No he didn't have to play Haines as he had Phil Salt. Archer is bad luck. Joyce shouldn't have been playing for Ireland (who pay his wages?). Would 6 have played? Haines, Hudson-Prentice, Cachopa maybe Robinson and Shahzad (although the last two were first choice at the start of the season). |
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Post by coverpoint on Sept 2, 2016 16:50:12 GMT
We need a replacement coach that is a disciplinarian and will kick the players arses in order to get a performance... No. Coaches need to be good man managers and approach the players as individuals. Some players will not respond to this. Isn't a lot of the current praise for Trevor Bayliss for being exactly not that kind of coach? Are the players set individual targets? What happens if these are not met? |
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Post by coverpoint on Sept 2, 2016 16:58:49 GMT
CP it's OK to be angry. For a club without money who do they get to be coach? Who do they sign in the winter? Buttons won't attract! This has been brewing for the past 3 years. Robinson and Greenfield caused this. Robinson because he wouldn't trust, blood and use local players preferring to bring in and put them in front of the locals. IMO most were not equal to those locals. Greenfield because he failed to bring through any players for 3-4 years. To achieve that takes longer going through the age groups/academy process. I would put some blame at Joyce's feet too. He was afraid to use youth and was too safe, even negative with his captaincy. I would certainly focus on groundsman. I have said before he must make wickets that will aid Sussex. Having no toss this week and to see Kent bowl showed a man who doesn't know how to produce a wicket to suit Sussex,variable bounce here and on others they were dead and flat with no hope of a result. Think Glamorgan? As for Adams, a fan I am but.... And that is the problem. Until ZT and JM go he has no chance of getting a job at Sussex. I hope I'm proved wrong. But don't think he will change it overnight, he won't. Something has happened and time has not healed the wounds with some people. I do think that the majority of this squad ARE good enough and next year they will come back stronger. MD & LW will be a year wiser and better equipped. Have some faith CP. Have faith supporters To a degree I would agree. However, whoever approved the £300K increase in the playing budget last year should be sacked for gross incompetence. We need a coach who is going to get the best out of the players. I'm not convinced Robinson mark 2 is good enough to do this. How many players did he successfully manage to bring through the seconds during his time as second team coach? As for Greenfield his record of bringing players through the Academy is appalling. Robinson always went for the short-term fix which now has had long-term implications. I think Joyce was a safe and negative captain. To be honest a flat, no hope of a result wicket was exactly what we needed here. I think ZT and JM should go too. The club needs wholesale changes in management from top to bottom and fresh blood from outside the county instead of keeping it in the family (aka job for the boys) before it can flourish once more. I think the majority of the squad are good enough. The coaching setup needs changing from top to bottom as it is made up largely of either failed players or players who had very undistinguished careers. |
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Post by flashblade on Sept 2, 2016 17:15:30 GMT
According to Cricinfo, the batting was absolutely woeful - www.espncricinfo.com/county-cricket-2016/content/story/1053363.htmlSo, who's to blame for the spineless batting in this match? Players or coaches? Or both? This isn't just a question of whether we have the right players - it's a matter of whether those selected are applying themselves like true professionals. I wasn't there, but Shazhad's dismissal at the end of day 2, when he was supposed to be the nightwatchman, was totally reckless, by all accounts. |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Sept 2, 2016 18:41:41 GMT
An uncharacteristic tweet from Bruce Talbot who normally sits on the fence.
Bruce Talbot @brucetalbot1 7h7 hours ago
Seen some woeful Sussex batting displays in the last 25+ years but this morning's effort is up there.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2016 23:23:18 GMT
It looks like Essex for div one with Kent second and unluckily missing out on promotion in the only year that the second placed team doesn't go up. If so, prepare for another bout of whingeing from Canterbury over the opening match of the season at Worcester which was washed out without a ball being bowled. Kent somehow blamed Worcs for the biblical amount of rain and the Severn flooding and lodged a formal complaint with the ECB, demanding they should be awarded the points. It got very heated with QCs involved in the appeal at no small cost. Unsurprisingly Kent's appeal was found to be vexatious and without merit and they were awarded 5 pts for an abandoned game. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/36163992But if they are denied promotion, there's a militant element wants to reopen the case and lodge further objections - even though the 5 pts they were awarded was actually more pts than Kent managed to pick up in their opening games in 2013 and 2014. As for Sussex...teams sometimes bat like that away from home when the game is lost and there is no point in prolonging the agony when they might be better off getting home a day early and having an extra practice session. But before lunch on day three in front of your own crowd ... well there is no excuse. Coming on the back of two wins when confidence should have been high it is quite inexplicable and suggests there is something deeply wrong in the dressing room and in the coaching set-up. |
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Post by longhops on Sept 2, 2016 23:40:42 GMT
It looks like Essex for div one with Kent second and unluckily missing out on promotion in the only year that the second placed team doesn't go up. If so, prepare for another bout of whingeing from Canterbury over the opening match of the season at Worcester which was washed out without a ball being bowled. Kent somehow blamed Worcs for the biblical amount of rain and the Severn flooding and lodged a formal complaint with the ECB, demanding they should be awarded the points. It got very heated with QCs involved in the appeal at no small cost. Kent's appeal was found to be baseless and they were awarded 5 pts for an abandoned game. If they are denied promotion, there's a militant element wants to reopen the case and lodge further objections - even though the 5 pts they were awarded was actually more pts than Kent managed to pick up in their opening games in 2013 and 2014. As for Sussex...teams sometimes bat like that away from home when the game is lost and there is no point in prolonging the agony when they might be better off getting home a day early and having an extra practice session. But before lunch on day three in front of your own crowd ... well there is no excuse. Coming on the back of two wins when confidence should have been high it is quite inexplicable and suggests there is something deeply wrong in the dressing room and in the coaching set-up. BM, Hopefully you know me too well and I will not be blaming The Worcester debacle. It was out of players and people's hands(Except for the brainless who scheduled the game at New Road on 8th April, knowing how the Severn often overfloweth in Spring! The batting collapse at Chelmsford could cost us our promotion place and also our inability to chase batting bonus points when we needed to(although thanks to Colesy, we got it right this time!) Saw the last 8 wkts tumble this morning. Sussex players body language said it all when they were out really. Head down and cross with themselves for playing some awful shots. That is very similar to the body language 4 years ago when Kent went through a transition period. I don't know enough about Davis and his qualities as coach, I think Luke is a great captain and player. As supporters who want to be entertained, we almost demand that our team should be brilliant and win every game. In competitive sport that just doesn't happen. There are good times and bad times. As supporters we have to stick with the team we follow through thick and thin. I almost threw the towel in 4 years ago, but my then 11yr old son said "Dad you were born in Kent and have to follow your team through the Good, the Bad and the Ugly!" Thanks Dom you were so wise. Take heart Sussex fans, be patient! |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Sept 3, 2016 8:34:18 GMT
Lh,
Your fellow Kent supporter has made such comparisons (Kent and Sussex) several times this season. Certainly, it looks very much like
Sussex fans may have to go through the same frustrations, upsets and general angst as Kent. Although, the idea that this could last
for another 5 years feels more like a jail sentence and will test every loyalty bone in the body. Perhaps, we can join your 'Self-Help
Group' for "How to counter suicidal thoughts?"
This length of time has been confirmed by Mark Davis in the superb feature on Sussex in the new Cricketer Magazine, where he claims,
"The Board have said they will back me for the next 3-5 years." Does this mean club failure is acceptable by the Sussex Hierarchy until
2021? What happens if Sussex are still languishing in Division 2 and not competing for OD Cups? Is another Coach found who will then be
offered another 5 years to prove himself?
In 2009, Sussex were at the height of their Success, having just won both OD trophies on the back of winning 3 Championship trophies and
a series of other OD Cups. Since then, the club hierarchy have been responsible for allowing the club to drift back to a state of embarrassing
and pathetic displays as witnessed yesterday, not seen since those terrible years of the 1990s.
The question being: What mistakes have been made since 2009 to get us to this point? And why have the Sussex hierarchy allowed this to
happen?
Discuss.
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