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Post by foxy on Dec 26, 2016 18:57:03 GMT
Here's my starter for 10 for the first championship game of 2017, in batting order assuming no injuries and no more signings:
Also assumes Jordan is away at IPL
Nash
Wells
Van Zyl
Wright
Evans
Machan
Brown
Philander
Archer
Garton
Magoffin
No need for specialist spinner at that time and I'm not sure re Briggs real value. Well and Nash as well as Machan can do a fill in job if needed. Strong batting down to 9 in theory at least!
Thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2016 19:26:49 GMT
Agree with your 11 with only one change. I'd have Robinson at eight, which would be an even stronger batting side .
Robinson has both seam and swing in his armoury and will offer a greater threat early season than either Garton or Archer, both of whom are hit-the-deck type bowlers and will come into their own on harder pitches later in the season.
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Post by imranswife1 on Dec 27, 2016 5:09:05 GMT
Finch for Mschin (will he be fit) for me
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Post by moderator1 on Dec 27, 2016 7:15:18 GMT
Weclome to the forum foxy, and thanks for starting this thread.
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Post by hhsussex on Dec 27, 2016 8:57:19 GMT
Interesting to think what the Seconds will look like at this time: Finch, Salt, Haines, Jenner, AN Other (wk), Beer, Shahzad,Rawlins,Garton, Briggs, Whittingham, Sakande....surely one of these bowlers will have to go out on loan if everyone stays fit? And notwithstanding our stand by, we desperately need at least one extra batsman in the squad.
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Post by jonboy on Dec 30, 2016 12:45:14 GMT
That side won't be far off, though it still looks an opener short to me. To say Sussex were tasked to improve the batting, that top order looks well short of last season's Joyce, Nash, Wells, Taylor and Wright
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Post by joe on Jan 1, 2017 16:02:05 GMT
Here's my starter for 10 for the first championship game of 2017, in batting order assuming no injuries and no more signings: Also assumes Jordan is away at IPL Nash Wells Van Zyl Wright Evans Machan Brown Philander Archer Garton Magoffin No need for specialist spinner at that time and I'm not sure re Briggs real value. Well and Nash as well as Machan can do a fill in job if needed. Strong batting down to 9 in theory at least! Thoughts? Spot on. Certainly looks a more balanced side than last season. Obviously Jordan would play in place of Garton if and when available but I think Garton gives us the left arm option and an exceptional fielder so would pick him over Robinson or Whittingham. I wonder if we'll see Shahzad again in a Sussex shirt? There's been no mention of him or his winter training on the Sussex website. |
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Post by hhsussex on Jan 13, 2017 10:08:53 GMT
This is Steve Hollis's team - if not for the first match because of IPL commitments - as published in yesterday's Argus and including some insights from an interview with Mark Davis.  Davis is quoted as saying " We saw last season that you can lose wickets in clusters with the new ball so it is really important to have some insurance with a strong middle to lower order so you can rebuild". He is also influenced by the retention of the rule giving the opposition the option to bowl first "...we will probably be batting first at Hove a lot this summer.."
Beyond this strategy, which could be regarded as rather a defensive one - surely the top order batting ought to be strong enough and resilient enough to make stroung foundations anyway? - Hollis's selection is interesting as much for who is left out or not mentioned. Nothing is said of Machan, who has a similar first-class average to Finch, and more experience, nor of Salt. When assessing the bowling he says "..Davis has the option of playing either Jofra Archer, Ollie Robinson or George Garton at No 10, who are all classed as all-rounders". Garton's batting has a way to develop to come close to Robinson, who scored 389 runs last year at 38.90.
More likely Davis is really developing the squad system to its fullest so that there are options for
a) The first part of the championship season when Jordan and Wiese are absent - but Philander is available
b) A 50 over team for the next phase, including Philander, and perhaps Wiese - not sure when in June he is coming to Sussex - but possibly missing Jordan to the Chapions Trophy
c) A T20 side, where Mills will be the spearhead, possibly Archer and Garton too
d) The concluding part of the championship. This is where there will be congestion for places if Jordan isn't in the one day squad and he, Wiese, Robinson and Archer all are fit.
Thinking about this strategy, the weak point again seems to be the batting, particularly one-days where Brown has under-performed in the past and there is no second wicket-keeper.
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Post by joe on Feb 22, 2017 11:50:27 GMT
As CJ will miss the start of the season and Wiese is now available my starting XI for the first championship game would be:
Nash
Wells
van Zyl
Wright
Evans
Brown
Wiese
Archer
Philander
Garton
Magoffin
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Post by jonboy on Feb 22, 2017 13:02:02 GMT
Do we know that Wiese will now join us earlier? There may be budgetary concerns as to why he wasn't coming to Hove until Philander had left. Maybe Rawlins stunning performances in India, may have brought him into consideration. I must say Joe, I like the idea of Garton replacing Jordan in these early games, not least because of his extra pace, and left arm variation
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Post by joe on Feb 22, 2017 14:33:16 GMT
Do we know that Wiese will now join us earlier? There may be budgetary concerns as to why he wasn't coming to Hove until Philander had left. Maybe Rawlins stunning performances in India, may have brought him into consideration. I must say Joe, I like the idea of Garton replacing Jordan in these early games, not least because of his extra pace, and left arm variation My guess is that he was keeping his options open in case he was picked up for the IPL. As he hasn't been picked I would hope that he'd now be available for the start of the season with van Zyl. |
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Post by coverpoint on Feb 25, 2017 8:40:46 GMT
Nash
Wells
Finch
van Zyl
Evans
Wright
Brown
Wiese
Philander
Archer
Magoffin
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2017 13:53:10 GMT
I agree with your likely top six CP. I think with a world class bowler in Philander, we can afford to play six batters, especially as van Zyl is a respectable fifth bowler. Not sure yet it is a given that Wiese will play the early games, even though he currently does not have an IPL,contract. The club still needs to recruit a reserve Wk, ideally we want a second T20 overseas, and a replacement for Philander for the CC. Not sure the budget stretches to all that, and an early season Wiese, which was not budgeted, nor contracted, for.
With Philander available early season, I would forego an early season Wiese, to the other requirements. Also I think Briggs will be in the mix, and I would not rule out Rawlins if he impresses in the pre seasons.
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Post by hhsussex on Feb 26, 2017 6:51:25 GMT
I agree with your likely top six CP. I think with a world class bowler in Philander, we can afford to play six batters, especially as van Zyl is a respectable fifth bowler. Not sure yet it is a given that Wiese will play the early games, even though he currently does not have an IPL,contract. The club still needs to recruit a reserve Wk, ideally we want a second T20 overseas, and a replacement for Philander for the CC. Not sure the budget stretches to all that, and an early season Wiese, which was not budgeted, nor contracted, for. With Philander available early season, I would forego an early season Wiese, to the other requirements. Also I think Briggs will be in the mix, and I would not rule out Rawlins if he impresses in the pre seasons. I agree entirely with your first point,we do need a reserve wicket keeper. But with the volume of allrounders we have, particularly pace bowlers, there is no need to go out recruiting more expensive overseas players when we have so much talent in the ranks already. Leaving aside Jordan, we have Archer, Robinson, Garton, Whittingham and Sakande. Archer has been recognised in this forum at least as an outstanding talent and incidentally a much better batsman than Philander, and probably likely to bat no lower than 8. Robinson has been training hard since his operation to relieve the shin splints problem that bedevilled him last season, and if his bowling is back to his 2015 form and his batting continues its improvement then we have our own allrounder at 7. Garton and Whittingham both impressed in limited outings last year. From what I saw I think Garton is the more likely, and a better all round cricketer, but Whittingham can bowl fast and he is a trier. Sakande is waiting for his chance. Where is the need for more expensive imports here? As to Briggs and Rawlins, if the latter continues to bowl regularly and gets a chance to play then he should outstrip Briggs very easily. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 8:44:44 GMT
HH, I am not suggesting Philander be replaced by another bowler, as by the time he leaves Jordan will have returned, and Wiese joined. However, I think our batting may need reinforcements, mid season, as there is not much cover for injuries, and we may need to recruit an overseas batter.
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