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Post by joe on Sept 16, 2017 9:06:14 GMT
Here we go again.....building for the future blah blah blah......there won't be a future soon mate because there won't be anyone taking up membership and from 2020 there probably won't be a viable CC competition let alone a second division.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Sept 16, 2017 9:35:57 GMT
We are very lucky to have Adrian Harms. He's a lovely guy. An honest guy who doesn't flinch from asking the hard questions. How often do you find other local media 'brown-nosing' their way through a sporting season.
The final decision is down to Rob Andrew. Will he give Davis one more year or take action come October?
Personally, I find Mark Davis to be an honest man who only wants the best for Sussex. He is positive, optimistic, very friendly to chat to... But there are plenty of people like that in sport. The bottom-line is: Has Davis the ability to take Sussex back to Division 1 and vie for OD trophies? On the performance of the last two years one has to question this.
The other problem Davis faces is Chris Silverwood at Essex. During the same period of time, Silverwood has taken Essex from being perennial Division 2 underachievers to Division 1 Trophy Champions. Quite extraordinary! Yet, he has shown other Division 2 clubs that this feat is possible to achieve with the right Coach.
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Post by jonboy on Sept 16, 2017 12:40:17 GMT
Is Davis hamstrung by a board lacking ambition?
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Sept 16, 2017 13:22:30 GMT
I don't believe so. Our new Chairman, Bob Warren, was quoted back in the Spring: "I want the club to win trophies."
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Post by jonboy on Sept 16, 2017 13:49:48 GMT
I don't believe so. Our new Chairman, Bob Warren, was quoted back in the Spring: "I want the club to win trophies." I only ask because I didn't see much ambition We seemed happy to confuse the situation with Joyce, rather than go out and replace him The same with when Philander left, we were told we wouldn't be replacing him and would go without an overseas for the rest of the season They would reconsider if Magoffins injury proved to be long term Well it was, and we didn't At that point, we were still in contention, but we seemed happy just to drift along
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Post by coverpoint on Sept 16, 2017 13:56:56 GMT
Is Davis hamstrung by a board lacking ambition? I am sorry but Davis has been backed to the hilt with new signings. The fact is Davis is simply not up to it as a coach.
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Post by coverpoint on Sept 16, 2017 13:59:09 GMT
I don't believe so. Our new Chairman, Bob Warren, was quoted back in the Spring: "I want the club to win trophies." I only ask because I didn't see much ambition We seemed happy to confuse the situation with Joyce, rather than go out and replace him The same with when Philander left, we were told we wouldn't be replacing him and would go without an overseas for the rest of the season They would reconsider if Magoffins injury proved to be long term Well it was, and we didn't At that point, we were still in contention, but we seemed happy just to drift along Van Zyl replaced Joyce. Don't confuse lack of budget with lack of ambition. It is not the board's fault if Davis has wasted the playing budget recruiting rubbish.
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Post by jonboy on Sept 16, 2017 14:49:56 GMT
I only ask because I didn't see much ambition We seemed happy to confuse the situation with Joyce, rather than go out and replace him The same with when Philander left, we were told we wouldn't be replacing him and would go without an overseas for the rest of the season They would reconsider if Magoffins injury proved to be long term Well it was, and we didn't At that point, we were still in contention, but we seemed happy just to drift along Van Zyl replaced Joyce. Don't confuse lack of budget with lack of ambition. It is not the board's fault if Davis has wasted the playing budget recruiting rubbish. Surely, if we were looking to improve, then Van Zyl and Evans were the replacements for Yardy and Cachopa The way Sussex slanted things, Joyce was available if we had needed him
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Post by joe on Sept 16, 2017 15:12:44 GMT
The 2 Kolpaks and Evans were brought in to improve the squad and push for promotion and silverware but we find ourselves in exactly the same position as we were this time last year EXCEPT we haven't given game time or first XI experience to our younger players. Salt, Rawlings, Whittingham, Garton and Sakande haven't had enough exposure or run of games, we saw what Whittingham can do against Derby if he's given a run. Think how much further ahead they'd be if they'd all had game time. Whittingham and Sakande will be 24 next year they should be regular first team players by now. Obviously I don't mean that they should all play at the same time but the Kolpaks have pushed back their development by a year by taking up the places the younger squad members should have taken.
Of course hindsight is a wonderful thing but please please let's not make the same mistake next season or these promising young players will look elsewhere ( if they haven't already and who could blame them? )
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Post by coverpoint on Sept 16, 2017 16:02:37 GMT
Van Zyl replaced Joyce. Don't confuse lack of budget with lack of ambition. It is not the board's fault if Davis has wasted the playing budget recruiting rubbish. Surely, if we were looking to improve, then Van Zyl and Evans were the replacements for Yardy and Cachopa The way Sussex slanted things, Joyce was available if we had needed him There was never any chance of Joyce playing again for Sussex. This was pure spin. Yardy retired some time ago. Cachopa was useless anyway. Brown is completely deluded if he thinks he still has any chance of promotion: www.theargus.co.uk/sport/15539322.Skipper_Brown_fears_Sussex_lack_a_killer_instinct_after_costly_defeat/
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Post by liquidskin on Sept 17, 2017 15:21:54 GMT
Two and a half years ago if you finished above Sussex in Div 1 you'd be challenging for the title, now Davis thinks giving Northants and Derby a run for their money in Div 2, before losing both games, is progress. The man's delusional - we cannot go on with him and Greenfield, our 'Director of Cricket'.
Your direction can be tracked by your past - constant poor first innings totals, constantly confusing selection and balance. Constantly signing overseas players or other counties' failures and blocking home-grown development. There's our direction.
Bewilderingly, I think we've had at least five overseas players arrive this season, yet at crucial times through the T20 and the end of the CC we've had a space to fill with a legitimate one if required. Very economical, very clever and not at all wasteful or naïve. You can't tell me Davis ain't been backed financially. He's just made a pig's ear of it.
We've wasted the last two seasons and I suspect this season was our last realistic chance of getting back in Div 1. This season was a fantastic opportunity. Despite all of the above problems, despite a poor start, a switch of captain and several key injuries, we still could have gone up in second if we'd simply chose to bat instead of bowl in the last two games. That's how good our individuals and squad depth is.
We're a Div 1 side. Six of our latest eleven were brought up on Div 1 cricket, two were overseas internationals, two home-grown youngsters, one of which is an England Lion, the other took a Michelle, and Archer makes up the eleven - probably the best bowler across either divisions - who we've ironically burnt out (ironic considering our youth policy of serious under exposure).
The debacle that's gone on under these two jokers would be laughable if I wasn't a Sussex fan. An endless list of repetitive under achievement and failures.
P.S. Just to be clear, I'm in the 'get the management out' camp.
RIP
SUSSEX
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Post by joe on Sept 17, 2017 16:37:44 GMT
The Sussex way seems to be that when you finish playing you walk straight into a coaching job. You then stay around for years till you're too old or too fat to coach at which point you go straight into a managerial job. I'm sure there are the odd few for whom this path is suited but I can think of at least 4 for whom it isn't. It breeds contempt and stagnation where no new ideas are brought in. It's just one big happy incestuous family where everyone pats each other on the back while luncheoning in the committee room.
Meanwhile our club is dying and membership is dwindling but hey not to worry we've got some lovely new office pods!
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