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Post by seawolf on May 29, 2021 10:41:47 GMT
Spot on. Another couple of wickets or another 50 runs. Don’t think it could be summed up any better. Apart from the Northants game up there, we’ve probably been that close to winning the games we’ve lost. And, thereby hangs a tale. Given the inexperience of this team, they are doing well not to be thrashed (yes, I know we were at Northampton). I overheard Matt Prior talking about the high potential of some of this team. What do we want as supporters: a solid team like Northants with no England call-ups, no IPL exports and few promising youngsters or what Sussex have? It’s a tricky one. My biggest complaint is that we have too many T20 only on the payroll. Agree with you both, philh & ashingtonmartlet. From early on in the season, several of us have been hoping for for another 50 runs or another 2 wickets on several occasions. I suggest that as our young and inexperienced side was and is doing considerably better than many of us expected, it was largely wishful thinking, but a wish that had it of happened, could well have resulted in another win or two. That said, we have been pretty competitive on the whole, against much stronger and experienced sides, which is such a positive. Sure, we've had a couple of major batting collapses, but that has happened to a large number of sides this season, particularly on first innings. In this game, despite a poor start, we have fought hard to get back into the game. I would argue that what we lack in experience, we are making up for in team spirit. Regarding our two overseas players, there is no doubt that Travis Head is having a mare at the moment. He's got out on a couple of occasions to really good balls which is ok. His body language was not good following his dismissal yesterday, which is not to be expected from a top player. Hopefully Matt Prior's input will help him find some form and confidence. Really hope he gets it together, a that would be a positive for Sussex as well as him. Van Zyl has started to attract critisism for failing in the upper order, but I really like the way he plays. He plays for the situation, punishing the bad ball and dominating when possible, but is under no rush to get off the mark if the bowling is tight. He's also vocal and encouraging in the field, a good influence to the younger players.
Should be an interesting day. Go Sussex & Go Tommy Haines.
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Post by joe on May 29, 2021 12:40:42 GMT
Well batted Tom Haines as he goes to his 4th first class ton and his second this season. He’s showing the older pro’s how it’s done.
Yet another disappointment from you know who. Ali Orr must come in for him next game otherwise I’ll start thinking he’s Grubby’s love child!
241/7 at lunch with a lead of 160, not enough yet. Hopefully Carson can show some of the metal he showed in the first innings to get us up to where we’ve got a chance.
The new ball available after lunch.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on May 29, 2021 13:24:16 GMT
philh, Whatever we get, I will wish for 50 more. Come on, Sussex.There is always a fine line between criticism and praise. Constant criticism is negative and a waste of time, just as consistent lauding, especially when the team has played badly, is irrelevant. Certainly, frustration is a key word for 2021. When new shoots of hope and improvement are sprouting, the old negative Sussex ways rear their ugly heads. Of course, improvement is never an upward straight line and this season we have seen the wobbles once again. As with 2020, Sussex began strongly, but are now falling away. While I agree this is “a young and inexperienced side”, it is folly to use this as an excuse for every failure and why, imho, constructive criticism is important. They say averages never lie, so here are the up-to-date ones for Sussex. stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/averages/batting_bowling_by_team.html?id=13821;team=1422;type=tournamentMassive praise to Tom Haines. Whatever changes he made to his batting over the Winter has paid dividends. After 7 games, 622 runs and an average of 47.84, he’s up there with the best. Whereas for van Zyl as a O/S batsman, should we not be expecting more? 402 runs at an average of 30.92, surely, it should be above 40? In the cold light of day, Brown’s batting is simply not good enough (don’t allow his performance today to cloud the issue); the same applies to Clarke and, of course, there is Rawlins who should be playing in the 2nd XI. Thomason had a good start, but now his form has dipped. It appears he’s a player who can be easily rattled at the crease. Travis Head is an enigma. Are we to presume that once the batting conditions improve and the T20 begins, he will find form? Perhaps, the Championship is not for him and he joins the growing list of white ball players only? He has scored just 38 runs in six innings with an average of 7.60. Even my grandfather could do better. The youngster seamers are showing great promise. While Robinson is already off to England, Jamie Atkins is showing excellent potential and Crocombe has taken 7 wickets after 4 games, but is that enough or do we use the excuse of “a young and inexperienced side?” While Garton is a wicket-taker his inconsistency and weeping of runs along with constant injury concerns which may not go away doesn’t help the side in a tight match. Even so, what an exciting bowler to watch as you never know what type of ball is coming next. A wicket-taking in-swinging yorker or a long hop four? Hunt, on the other hand, is a good example of the constant dangers a young seamer faces… injury. Carson is showing an all-round promise, but after a superb start to the season, his spin abilities are now known on the county circuit and batsmen are attempting to hit him out of the game. Being only 20 years-old, has he the confidence to take the knocks? Brown’s captaincy has rightly attracted criticism, but with recent assistance from Head, in this match at least, he has shown more skill and experience. Perhaps, the problem is holding “too high expectations?” While Salisbury is proving to be a better coach than Gillespie, maybe, we need to wait until 2024 before the potential of a young side matures? So long as the “improvement chart” keeps rising where each high is higher and every dip is higher, there is nothing to be concerned about. Meanwhile, I suggest Sussex need a minimum lead of 250 and preferably 300+ to win this game. Without Robinson, the bowling attack is immediately weakened. PS: Now compare the present batting averages for 2021 with the Trophy winning side of 2006. You can immediately see the huge gulf. Goodwin, 16 games, 1,649 runs at an average of 63.42... Those were the days! stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/batting/highest_career_batting_average.html?id=2624;team=1422;type=tournament
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Post by ashingtonmartlet on May 29, 2021 18:44:42 GMT
I think you’re spot on. Particularly the “...hopefully we’ll be competitive”. Two overseas batsmen yes, but one was already here as a Kolpak... Fine by me, as long as he's no longer here as Kolpak. Two legit overseas has always been my preference, pretty much. No restrictions on caps or whatever, simply overseas pros. Cheers Joe, impressed by the live feeds on the whole, great feature, worth investing in I hope. Yeah I was just emphasising that while it could be argued we’ve “splashed out” on two overseas, one was already on the payroll.
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Post by ashingtonmartlet on May 29, 2021 18:51:05 GMT
Wicked Cricket,
That probably sums it all up perfectly. Did you have to go posting the 2006 averages though??!😭😭😭
Just one thing though, Head will only play in the T20 if one of Khan and Wiese isn’t available.
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Post by coverpoint on May 29, 2021 18:53:29 GMT
Thomason, Head, Clark and Rawlins all deserve to be dropped to the seconds.
We won't win anything until we can bowl teams out in the second innings!
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Post by ashingtonmartlet on May 29, 2021 20:26:39 GMT
Trouble is, we don’t have anyone to bring in apart from Orr and Coles.
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Post by seawolf on May 29, 2021 21:06:31 GMT
Thomason, Head, Clark and Rawlins all deserve to be dropped to the seconds. We won't win anything until we can bowl teams out in the second innings! Agree with your sentiment coverpoint , (with the exception of Head and Thomason), but at the moment, we have few available options.
Thinking laterally, wonder whether we should try Head at 1 and Thomason at 5? Head has after all opened for Australia in ODI and Thomason may benefit from batting middle order. Maybe worth a try with nothing to lose.
For the record, I don't think that playing a couple of games in the seconds should be considered as a negative. It gives a chance for an out of form player to have the space to regroup, benefit from one on one coaching based on their needs, and bat/bowl out of the spotlight and generally put the work in (or not).
Really pleased for Tommy Haines who has worked hard over the last couple of years. Looks like we may lose tomorrow, but we have fought well to get to the fourth day.
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Post by sponge on May 29, 2021 21:21:08 GMT
Trouble is, we don’t have anyone to bring in apart from Orr and Coles. We do have others, but they currently are not contracted. My point is that Sussex need to give out some rookie contracts to batters/keepers who should be part of Sussex's future. Lenham and Carter spring to mind. Sussex need to be as open minded with their batters as they are with bowlers.
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Post by liquidskin on May 30, 2021 10:04:20 GMT
Decent second dig but totally hindered by our first innings efforts, including that drop in their fist innings.
What is Brown doing with Garton? Is he injured? 3 overs out of 43 from a man who took 4 wickets in the first, in a four man attack. In what world does Rawlins bowl before Garton? The wrong world. He's being used all wrong. Brown is too scared of losing, and we're gonna lose anyway, just not as quickly. Unless he's injured, it is appalling captaincy. Just for one innings at least, why not give Garton the new ball and tell him he's got a chance to keep it? It's not like Robinson or Archer or Jordan or Claydon (thank Christ) are in the way. Try it.
Well done Haines, again. Amazing what a little faith can do in a young player. They need chances, not 6 or 7 games like H-P and Jackson got, but 2 or 3 seasons, like Haines has got.
This is quickly becoming a season where we may as well try stuff. Brown likes the ball coming on, get him opening, give the gloves to Orr or Carter and let Brown fully concentrate on captaining without the obvious distraction of keeping. We need to play five proper bowlers and stop being so defensive about that.
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Post by liquidskin on May 30, 2021 10:49:21 GMT
Still, with the part time spinner. Nothing like dragging out a game. Rawlins 0-60 off 20 or Garton 3-60 off 15, what's your preference? It's mind-blowingly pathetic. And if Garton's injured, where's Crocombe?
So poor.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on May 30, 2021 10:52:47 GMT
Ls,
I suspect Garton is injured. Probably his sore heel has returned. He left the outfield yesterday straight after ending a spell. When will Hunt be returning?
A predictable limp ending for Sussex to this match. My expectations have been lowered vastly since those "halcyon weeks" at the beginning of the season. If a team can't score first innings runs, you don't win games. A pattern that Sussex has been stuck in, like a scratched record, for a fair few seasons. What is Luke's big bro' doing about it?
Supporting Sussex is like being in an abusive relationship. Just when the side is playing well, you then get slapped in the face followed by a punch in the stomach.
Ho-hum.
I wonder what positive spin Salisbury will attempt in his post-match interview?
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Post by liquidskin on May 30, 2021 11:06:56 GMT
He better be. I've seen enough, we have some good young players but some very ordinary senior ones, and we're led very negatively in our approach. This is a season for change, I'd like to see Brown keep the captaincy without the gloves, see if that improves him, and also see him open - he looks suited to opening to me, likes the cut, ball coming on... someone has to replace Thomason, who is an all-rounder.
Salt back at 5, Orr at 6, the top four with Brown opening and most importantly, 5 actual bowlers with Garton 7 and Carson likely 8 - he can bat alright. Give Garton the responsibility of opening, may as well. I notice Crocombe went for 12 in his first over in this innings - he rightly won't be discarded from the job because of it.
Rawlins is as much a part time bowler as you can be. He's good for 5 overs if it's 400-5 or you wanna rest someone. He is also entirely a one-day batsman - great striker but seems incapable of learning this form
If we do all of the above we could have an interesting season. We have nothing to lose from being much more positive and aggressive, absolutely nothing. Even if we don't change personnel or whatever.
Peace out suckers, the sun's shining, happy Bank Holiday x
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Post by coverpoint on May 30, 2021 12:39:31 GMT
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Post by joe on May 30, 2021 13:41:42 GMT
It certainly wasn’t the younger players who let the side down in this match.
I was talking to someone who knows Garton at the ground yesterday, he said Garton was unwell rather than injured. Apparently went off the field to throw up a couple of times but still managed to take 4 wickets, good effort from him.
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