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Post by ashingtonmartlet on Apr 10, 2022 21:22:48 GMT
Unfortunately they are right and you and grubby are wrong. Play teenagers and they will lose matches and get injured. It’s embarrassing. Please stop ***ing me and grubby I don't know the geezer. Matt Prior admitted he was wrong so are you going to do the same or go against the grain. Rubbish. He’s played for your team in the past. And what has Matt Prior admitted he was wrong about? Nothing. He’s merely backed the new chairman and said that there’s a lot of work that needs doing. There is. And that means going against the grain that’s got us in this mess, not with it.
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Post by enoughisenough on Apr 10, 2022 21:26:05 GMT
I think we will really miss the reliable presence of Ben Brown this season. He must think he’s dreaming being at a new county who have won their first Div 1 match of the season by a huge margin, and him back behind the stumps. Anyone who tells me that the demotion of Ben last season, taking the gloves away from him, and the fall-out from those decisions, was well handled by the club is seriously deluded.
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Post by foxy on Apr 10, 2022 22:10:37 GMT
I think we will really miss the reliable presence of Ben Brown this season. He must think he’s dreaming being at a new county who have won their first Div 1 match of the season by a huge margin, and him back behind the stumps. Anyone who tells me that the demotion of Ben last season, taking the gloves away from him, and the fall-out from those decisions, was well handled by the club is seriously deluded. Agree he’s a big loss but we have to look forward now. It’s quite remarkable how quiet this board is when we are doing well and just how many people post once we subside and loose! We are supposed to be supporters so let’s get behind the team. Well done young Clark, great effort! And well tried all the young players against the strong favourites for promotion.
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Post by therealab1 on Apr 11, 2022 10:04:01 GMT
***ing me and grubby I don't know the geezer. Matt Prior admitted he was wrong so are you going to do the same or go against the grain. Rubbish. He’s played for your team in the past. And what has Matt Prior admitted he was wrong about? Nothing. He’s merely backed the new chairman and said that there’s a lot of work that needs doing. There is. And that means going against the grain that’s got us in this mess, not with it. Ive played cricket with him once or twice but it doesnt mean i know him on any other level than a brief team mate and he certainly doesnt sit there and give inside knowledge to everyone in the locker room.
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Post by therealab1 on Apr 11, 2022 10:09:18 GMT
***ing me and grubby I don't know the geezer. Matt Prior admitted he was wrong so are you going to do the same or go against the grain. Do you honestly think what the club has done over the last four to five years has been successful? Please answer the below questions; 1. Is the squad improving year on year? 2. Are we finishing in a better or worse league position each year? 3. Have we got more or less members than we used to? 4. Are the crowds getting bigger or smaller? 5. As a club are we getting more or less attractive for players to join? 6. Are we getting better or worse at retaining our talent? I couldnt care about being proved right or wrong I just want Sussex to be successful and win a few games of cricket. I was there today and we were just dreadful I'm going to answer these questions based on my belief in the 5 year plan they put in place last year to try and rectify previous failings. 1. Is the squad improving year on year? Yes significantly, particularly when you consider how many players were unavailable and we still put in a strong performance against a top team. 2. Are we finishing in a better or worse league position each year? I think we will finish higher this year than last and we will win more games of cricket. 3. Have we got more or less members than we used to? No idea, i dont care too be honest. It's not my concern 4. Are the crowds getting bigger or smaller? Smaller but thats down to the ECB's lack of promotion and also due to live streaming 5. As a club are we getting more or less attractive for players to join? More, signing Rizwan and Pujara suggest that. Finn also spoke very highly of the project here, our inability to be able to compete financially with the big clubs can hold us back. 6. Are we getting better or worse at retaining our talent? Worse but as above Finances dictate.
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Post by sussexviewer on Apr 11, 2022 11:54:24 GMT
Whilst I expected us to lose I did expect us to show more resistance. I don't think the management have any choice now but to sign more players on loan as unfortunately at least half of this team don't look ready for first team cricket. We lost this game yesterday when we let them go from 325-7 to 534-9. They should have been bowled out for less than 400. This was a Notts team missing Broad, Pattinson and Patterson so there is no excuse for the batsmen failing. Am I being harsh? Perhaps but I am sorry the management's goal of promotion looks a long way off. Bookies have us as second outsiders and at the most I think that is more likely. www.theargus.co.uk/sport/20050327.ian-salisbury-aims-take-sussex-back-top/Tom Haines has shown the level of hard work, practice and commitment you need to put in to succeed as a professional cricketer. Two years ago his career was at a crossroads and now look at him. He should be an example for Atkins, Crocombe, Clarke, Carter etc to follow. I welcome the arrival of Pujara as I think he is exactly the sort of experienced batsmen we need right now. What nonsense. I expect these youngsters do train hard and are desperate to win games. You have to give them time. By the way Haines was out to a poor shot in the 2nd innings.
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Post by sussexviewer on Apr 11, 2022 11:57:06 GMT
That was a very sad performance and horribly reminiscent of last year.
The 5 year plan? In general, 5 year plans are the refuge of those that have little idea of what to do in the short term. The authors are safe in the knowledge that they will probably not be there in 5 years time or, if they are, have 5 year’s worth of excuses – of “could not foresees” – forgiving them for under achievement.
But even if the plan works, it will be too late to halt the inexorable slide into minor county status, however it may be badged . Every indication is that the first class game will lose six counties. Those that are invited to participate in the brave new world will not be those that have long histories or lovely grounds or even strong balance sheets but those who will contribute to strengthening English cricket. Can we honestly say that we would?
Any counties that are not chosen will inevitably lose their better players to those that are. The process has already started – Salt, Brown, Jordan, Evans, Briggs. And it will not be long until Haines, Garton, Robinson, Archer and anyone rated as having a top class future join them.
We are somewhere down the self feeding – self starving may be a better expression – spiral of mediocrity. Second class status will mean lesser funding – either by the ECB or by sponsors or falling membership and attendances – meaning that it will be impossible to attract or retain better players.
And you can’t blame them. If you have aspirations to play for England, why would you appear in an environment that does not properly test you and showcase your abilities?
Is it too late to halt the downward spiral? Probably – but if there is an answer it is not a “jam tomorrow” 5 year plan.
It’s not shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted. It’s shutting the stable door after the stable no longer exists.
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Post by therealab1 on Apr 11, 2022 13:42:09 GMT
That was a very sad performance and horribly reminiscent of last year. The 5 year plan? In general, 5 year plans are the refuge of those that have little idea of what to do in the short term. The authors are safe in the knowledge that they will probably not be there in 5 years time or, if they are, have 5 year’s worth of excuses – of “could not foresees” – forgiving them for under achievement. But even if the plan works, it will be too late to halt the inexorable slide into minor county status, however it may be badged . Every indication is that the first class game will lose six counties. Those that are invited to participate in the brave new world will not be those that have long histories or lovely grounds or even strong balance sheets but those who will contribute to strengthening English cricket. Can we honestly say that we would? Any counties that are not chosen will inevitably lose their better players to those that are. The process has already started – Salt, Brown, Jordan, Evans, Briggs. And it will not be long until Haines, Garton, Robinson, Archer and anyone rated as having a top class future join them. We are somewhere down the self feeding – self starving may be a better expression – spiral of mediocrity. Second class status will mean lesser funding – either by the ECB or by sponsors or falling membership and attendances – meaning that it will be impossible to attract or retain better players. And you can’t blame them. If you have aspirations to play for England, why would you appear in an environment that does not properly test you and showcase your abilities? Is it too late to halt the downward spiral? Probably – but if there is an answer it is not a “jam tomorrow” 5 year plan. It’s not shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted. It’s shutting the stable door after the stable no longer exists. We were ravaged by injust and unavailablity, I would query as to why you never posted during the match with some of the real positives. All im asking is for people to have some clarity and realise it's really not as bad as you fear.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Apr 11, 2022 14:25:17 GMT
It really is time for some supporters to take their heads out of the sand and face reality.
Like many I have really suffered watching the steady decline of Sussex since 2015 when the Club was relegated to Division 2 and a few months later Mark Robinson was asked to stand aside as Coach by Zac Toumazi. A year earlier Ed Joyce was scoring runs for fun and Sussex came third in Division 1 after a heroic performance by Robbo and the players, when the side cantered up the table in the latter stages of the competition from a potential relegation battle. I remember feeling so proud of the team and being a Sussex supporter, while eating an excellent three course dinner at the end of season Players' Awards Night. (Remember them?) Agreed, the club reached the T20 Final in 2018 under Gillespie, but after a decade of success in the noughties this once top and proud club has crashed down to the bowels of the 18 county pile.
Meanwhile, Robbo went on to win the World Cup with the England women's side, picking up an OBE along the way, and last year took Warwickshire to being crowned County Champions, the club's first trophy since 2012. All along, the Sussex slump continues and South Coast supporters agonise and suffer. It is heartbreaking to watch and experience.
And now our most recent CEO who came with a shiny rugby CV, has chosen to take the cricket club on what some might view as a suicidal path, hoping above all hope, that a group of home-grown youngsters can bring back the glory days again. This risk is little different to going all in on a pair of tens in a poker tournament.
Surely, regular and ongoing improvement, both mentally and skill-wise, is necessary to keep supporters onside. Alongside Haines, Orr is looking a promising bat and we now have a decent opening pair. That can be celebrated. Clark showed promise in the last game. Yet, injuries amongst youngsters are common-place, especially with seam bowlers, where some never make it through. Alongside this, both management and coaching decisions continue to fall flat on their face. The Gillespie experiment failed. The Travis Head decision failed. And even when a decent player comes along like Archer or Robinson, they get snaffled up by England.
Agreed, Pujara "should" make a difference to the team's Championship performance, although the previous choice of Head proved an embarrassing fiasco. Yet, when Robinson returns, we will be lucky to see him in a handful of games before England take his arm. As for Archer, will he ever fully recover from his longterm injury? For his sake, all fingers-crossed.
There is hope and then there is blind devotion. If Andrew does pull off his extraordinary left-field gamble and materialises a magic rabbit from both the sea and cromwell ends, where by 2025 Sussex are back at the top and winning trophies, history might view this as "The Miracle on Eaton Road". For very occasionally, going all in on a pair of tens can win a major poker pot.
But why take such a risk, when a more balanced, more common sense approach of a few youngsters being gently inserted into a side, alongside already experienced players is, surely, the sensible path? Why this present extreme approach? What is the point of it? Of the 10 or so youngsters presently on show or in the wings, 50% of those, if that, might make it as a longterm professional player.
Why take such a gamble when you don't need to. It makes little sense. As all along supporters continue to become disaffected and lose interest in the club.
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Post by philh on Apr 11, 2022 16:13:40 GMT
Maybe I was at a different game and, maybe, some of those commenting are doing it from looking at the scorecard. Averages usually tell a story over the season, but a scorecard is often misleading in one game. I thought we batted well in the first innings and looked competitive for most of the second day. We could have scored more than 375 if Alsop had not got a bad decision. How many, we'll never know. I thought we could have focused on reaching 450 more resolutely as well. What we do know is that missing a difficult chance from Mullaney in the third over of the third day cost us dearly as Mullaney continued well, sailing to a career best, as well as holding the tail together. Who knows what difference that would have made? As Nottinghamshire's ran away to 500 plus, we sorely missed two or even one of Robinson, Carson, Hudson-Prentice, Ibrahim and Garton. It meant Clark and Haines bowling more overs than I would have liked and relying on the inexperience of Crocombe and Atkins to keep a lid on things. We didn't seem to get many breaks with appeals, mis-hits etc. when fielding; sometimes, it goes like that. If there was a distinct shortfall in our bowling, it was that Rawlins does not look good enough to be a frontline spinner in the red ball game. However, I was impressed with the way he batted for the first time in a long while, even though he played a silly shot on 49; at least he had scored 49 sensibly. Our second innings batting was disappointing on an easy track. Tom Haines has barely put a foot wrong in the last year, but his dismissal was disappointing, but lacking Ibrahim just added to the struggle we faced on day four. Pujara and Rizwan will make a hell of a difference. My bigger concern is whether Garton will play red ball again and how quickly Hudson-Prentice and Carson will return. Let's hope we are not without those three for the whole of the April/early May games.
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Post by mrsdoyle on Apr 11, 2022 17:55:21 GMT
It really is time for some supporters to take their heads out of the sand and face reality. Like many I have really suffered watching the steady decline of Sussex since 2015 when the Club was relegated to Division 2 and a few months later Mark Robinson was asked to stand aside as Coach by Zac Toumazi. A year earlier Ed Joyce was scoring runs for fun and Sussex came third in Division 1 after a heroic performance by Robbo and the players, when the side cantered up the table in the latter stages of the competition from a potential relegation battle. I remember feeling so proud of the team and being a Sussex supporter, while eating an excellent three course dinner at the end of season Players' Awards Night. (Remember them?) Agreed, the club reached the T20 Final in 2018 under Gillespie, but after a decade of success in the noughties this once top and proud club has crashed down to the bowels of the 18 county pile. Meanwhile, Robbo went on to win the World Cup with the England women's side, picking up an OBE along the way, and last year took Warwickshire to being crowned County Champions, the club's first trophy since 2012. All along, the Sussex slump continues and South Coast supporters agonise and suffer. It is heartbreaking to watch and experience. And now our most recent CEO who came with a shiny rugby CV, has chosen to take the cricket club on what some might view as a suicidal path, hoping above all hope, that a group of home-grown youngsters can bring back the glory days again. This risk is little different to going all in on a pair of tens in a poker tournament. Surely, regular and ongoing improvement, both mentally and skill-wise, is necessary to keep supporters onside. Alongside Haines, Orr is looking a promising bat and we now have a decent opening pair. That can be celebrated. Clark showed promise in the last game. Yet, injuries amongst youngsters are common-place, especially with seam bowlers, where some never make it through. Alongside this, both management and coaching decisions continue to fall flat on their face. The Gillespie experiment failed. The Travis Head decision failed. And even when a decent player comes along like Archer or Robinson, they get snaffled up by England. Agreed, Pujara "should" make a difference to the team's Championship performance, although the previous choice of Head proved an embarrassing fiasco. Yet, when Robinson returns, we will be lucky to see him in a handful of games before England take his arm. As for Archer, will he ever fully recover from his longterm injury? For his sake, all fingers-crossed. There is hope and then there is blind devotion. If Andrew pulls his extraordinary left-field and "magic rabbit" decision off, where by 2025 Sussex are back at the top and winning trophies, history might view this as "The Miracle on Eaton Road". For very occasionally, going all in on a pair of tens can win a major poker pot. By why take such a risk, when a more balanced, more common sense approach of a few youngsters being gently inserted into a side, already with experienced players is, surely, the sensible path? Why this present extreme approach? What is the point of it? Of the 12 or so youngsters presently on show or in the wings, 50% of those, if that, might make it as a longterm professional player. Why take such a gamble when you don't need to. It makes little sense. As all along supporters continue to become disaffected and lose interest in the club. Does it come down to money? We aren’t a test match ground, or a 100 ground, and a dozen youngsters must be cheaper than 2-3 experienced and proven players, though it would appear that overall that is a false economy.
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Post by ashingtonmartlet on Apr 11, 2022 19:38:07 GMT
It really is time for some supporters to take their heads out of the sand and face reality. Like many I have really suffered watching the steady decline of Sussex since 2015 when the Club was relegated to Division 2 and a few months later Mark Robinson was asked to stand aside as Coach by Zac Toumazi. A year earlier Ed Joyce was scoring runs for fun and Sussex came third in Division 1 after a heroic performance by Robbo and the players, when the side cantered up the table in the latter stages of the competition from a potential relegation battle. I remember feeling so proud of the team and being a Sussex supporter, while eating an excellent three course dinner at the end of season Players' Awards Night. (Remember them?) Agreed, the club reached the T20 Final in 2018 under Gillespie, but after a decade of success in the noughties this once top and proud club has crashed down to the bowels of the 18 county pile. Meanwhile, Robbo went on to win the World Cup with the England women's side, picking up an OBE along the way, and last year took Warwickshire to being crowned County Champions, the club's first trophy since 2012. All along, the Sussex slump continues and South Coast supporters agonise and suffer. It is heartbreaking to watch and experience. And now our most recent CEO who came with a shiny rugby CV, has chosen to take the cricket club on what some might view as a suicidal path, hoping above all hope, that a group of home-grown youngsters can bring back the glory days again. This risk is little different to going all in on a pair of tens in a poker tournament. Surely, regular and ongoing improvement, both mentally and skill-wise, is necessary to keep supporters onside. Alongside Haines, Orr is looking a promising bat and we now have a decent opening pair. That can be celebrated. Clark showed promise in the last game. Yet, injuries amongst youngsters are common-place, especially with seam bowlers, where some never make it through. Alongside this, both management and coaching decisions continue to fall flat on their face. The Gillespie experiment failed. The Travis Head decision failed. And even when a decent player comes along like Archer or Robinson, they get snaffled up by England. Agreed, Pujara "should" make a difference to the team's Championship performance, although the previous choice of Head proved an embarrassing fiasco. Yet, when Robinson returns, we will be lucky to see him in a handful of games before England take his arm. As for Archer, will he ever fully recover from his longterm injury? For his sake, all fingers-crossed. There is hope and then there is blind devotion. If Andrew pulls his extraordinary left-field and "magic rabbit" decision off, where by 2025 Sussex are back at the top and winning trophies, history might view this as "The Miracle on Eaton Road". For very occasionally, going all in on a pair of tens can win a major poker pot. By why take such a risk, when a more balanced, more common sense approach of a few youngsters being gently inserted into a side, already with experienced players is, surely, the sensible path? Why this present extreme approach? What is the point of it? Of the 12 or so youngsters presently on show or in the wings, 50% of those, if that, might make it as a longterm professional player. Why take such a gamble when you don't need to. It makes little sense. As all along supporters continue to become disaffected and lose interest in the club. And thank you. Perfectly put.
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Post by liquidskin on Apr 11, 2022 19:38:13 GMT
9.50 an hour for working at Ronald's? I should never have left. Although I was forced out for serving a burger topped with my own 'special' sauce. Yum yum.
Sounds like a case of unhealed scars opening up on here. I'll see April out before loading me gun I think. Shouldn't even be playing in April and wouldn't be if I was some ECB big shot. We should start the season with the 50 comp as well, start to finish.
Anyway, this game was lost on an impotent bowling attack as far as I'm concerned. We won several sessions, looked like they were trying hard to survive before my live stream fell off a cliff. They performed better than the SCCC live stream. And if it was England they'd have been done by lunch.
We got more to come. Better have anyway. I believe simply having one of Garton or H-P, never mind Robinson, would have made a big difference. 500 odd from 50-4? No chance.
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Post by liquidskin on Apr 11, 2022 19:48:50 GMT
Should have Pujara and Rizwan in for next week but no Ollie and Ibrahim who is out for a few weeks with shoulder ligament damage. Garton long covid so he must be a doubt. Hudson Prentice back stress fracture so probably won't see him for a while and Carson still recovering from back op. He was there today practicing which was good to see. Haynes Orr DelBoy and Clark batted well but not enough consistency which is the downside of having too many youngsters. Good first 2 days but we let them off the hook. Could have been worse as Broad Ball and Pattinson didn't play. Fletcher injured after bowling only 1 over 2nd innings. Let's hope for better next week 😁👍 What is up with Ollie? Thank you for the update. Pujara and Rizwan for Ibrahim and Lenham? My team for Derbyshire: Orr, Haines (c), Pujara, Rizwan, Clark, Alsop, Carter wk, Rawlins, Finn, Crocombe, Atkins Robinson is a big miss. Perhaps Notts could loan us Lyndon James, Liam Patterson-White or Joey Evison. The same attack as this game after one went down? Rawlins has to be able to bat 7 cos he ain't no fourth bowler. Barely a fifth. Maybe we should sign a couple of Kolpaks? Everyone loves a Kolpak. Morkel and Steyn for three weeks?
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Post by surreysteve on Apr 11, 2022 22:15:04 GMT
Haines shouldn’t be captain. The way he used Lenham was awful. Field placing too negative. On the 2nd day evening session balls went twice where 2nd slip would have been. Haines then moved a fielder there afterwards.
Good player though hope Stewie gets his chequebook out and he is a Surrey player next season😉
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