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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2015 19:29:42 GMT
Lovely day at Arundel!
Sussex batted with as much confidence as a bunch of condemned men on death row - until Dockrell and Linley got together and showed that despite some uneven bounce the pitch is far from unplayable. No coincidence that they are the two players who are unscarred by whatever it is that has been ailing Sussex in recent weeks.
Magoffin's afternoon spell with the new ball was magnificent and gave a desperately needed lift to Sussex , who were looking very down in the dumps and sorry for themselves.
The side in the field was a proper rag-bag - seven Sussex stalwarts, two loan players and two substitutes. Nash seems to be the latest to join ther list of crocks ; he batted at seven and had Carl Hopkinson fielding for him.
Cannot see Sussex getting anywhere near the 300 plus they are likely to be chasing, on a pitch on which the bounce seemed to be getting more variable; Linley bowled a couple of absolute shooters towards the end of the day, one of which castled Ryan Pringle. Other balls were flying off a length - all when the bowling was from the castle end. As fb says, almost all the wickets in the match have come from that end and it was easy to see why.
It surely has to be time for Mark Robinson to swallow his pride and get Chris Adams in as a batting consultant. Grizzly is available and would love to do it. If there are fears that if he is invited in he will soon be tilting for the top job, that's perhaps understandable. But needs must.
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Post by flashblade on Jun 16, 2015 19:52:18 GMT
Lovely day at Arundel! Sussex batted with as much confidence as a bunch of condemned men on death row - until Dockrell and Linley got together and showed that despite some uneven bounce the pitch is far from unplayable. No coincidence that they are the two players who are unscarred by whatever it is that has been ailing Sussex in recent weeks. Magoffin's afternoon spell with the new ball was magnificent and gave a desperately needed lift to Sussex , who were looking very down in the dumps and sorry for themselves. The side in the field was a proper rag-bag - seven Sussex stalwarts, two loan players and two substitutes. Nash seems to be the latest to join ther list of crocks ; he batted at seven and had Carl Hopkinson fielding for him. Cannot see Sussex getting anywhere near the 300 plus they are likely to be chasing, on a pitch on which the bounce seemed to be getting more variable; Linley bowled a couple of absolute shooters towards the end of the day, one of which castled Ryan Pringle. Other balls were flying off a length - all when the bowling was from the castle end. As fb says, almost all the wickets in the match have come from that end and it was easy to see why. It surely has to be time for Mark Robinson to swallow his pride and get Chris Adams in as a batting consultant. Grizzly is available and would love to do it. If there are fears that if he is invited in he will soon be tilting for the top job, that's perhaps understandable. But needs must.I suspect there would be not inconsiderable nervousness within the club at the prospect of Adams' return, in whatever capacity. However, leaving that aside, something is wrong and something needs to be done. Only those on the inside truly know what is wrong, so they are best placed to understand what solution is required. I guess it's possible that the solution may involve some courageous decision making on the part of the board. Whatever needs doing, I hope they will get on with it as soon as is practicable, however painful it might be.
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Post by coverpoint on Jun 16, 2015 19:57:59 GMT
What the batsmen need is a rocket up their arse from the coach! You are their boss Robbo not their mates! Perhaps if you start treating them as such they may respect you more and actually start playing for you.
The Sussex players need to stop feeling sorry for themselves and get their arse in gear. It could be worse you could be working in a dead end job on minimum wage. If they don't start performing with the bat they maybe doing so sooner than they think!
What amazes me most is the complete lack of pride or interest in the players to actually turnaround their fortunes on the field. It really shouldn't need a coach to bullock his players. They should know their performance isn't up to scratch and actually do something about it.
There is no way Robinson will bring Adams in and if the board got Adams in behind his back I think Robinson would walk.
This farce cannot continue any longer. The current level of performances are an absolute disgrace. We should be scoring 300 week in week out. The number of times we have let lower order batsman get partnership for 8th and 9th wicket is unacceptable. There is a distinct lack of professionalism throughout the club at the moment. The only trophy we are going to win this season is if there is one for feeling sorry for ourselves. I cannot see us winning another game this season unless our current levels of performance improve significantly. At the moment there are very few players who are anywhere near fit to wear the Sussex shirt!
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Post by flashblade on Jun 16, 2015 20:05:34 GMT
What the batsmen need is a rocket up their arse from the coach! You are their boss Robbo not their mates! Perhaps if you start treating them as such they may respect you more and actually start playing for you. The Sussex players need to stop feeling sorry for themselves and get their arse in gear. It could be worse you could be working in a dead end job on minimum wage. If they don't start performing with the bat they maybe doing so sooner than they think! What amazes me most is the complete of pride or interest in the players to actually turnaround their fortunes on the field. It really shouldn't a coach to bullock his players. They should know their performance isn't up to scratch and actually do something about it. There is no way Robinson will bring Adams in and if the board got Adams in behind his back I think Robinson would walk. This farce cannot continue any longer. The current level of performances are an absolute disgrace. We should be scoring 300 week in week out. The number of times we have let lower order batsman get partnership for 8th and 9th wicket is unacceptable. There is a distinct lack of professionalism throughout the club at the moment. The only trophy we are going to win this season is if there is one for feeling sorry for ourselves. I cannot see us winning another game this season unless our current levels of performance improve significantly. At the moment there are very few players who are anywhere near fit to wear the Sussex shirt! Stop sitting on the fence, CP.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2015 20:14:55 GMT
Agreed, fb. I can't abide people like cp who mince their words! (But to be serious for a moment, I suspect he is right about Adams...)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2015 20:33:18 GMT
This is a lovely, almost Arlott-esque piece of writing from Paul Edwards in cricinfo's report of the day's play:- www.espncricinfo.com/county-cricket-2015/content/story/888347.htmlI particularly enoyed the comparison of Magoffin to Cassius in Shakespeare's Julius Caesar, Pringle "bowled by a ball from Tim Linley which appeared reluctant to leave the Sussex earth", "this cricketing arboretum" and the peroration of the final paragraph with its evocation of "Arundel's famous gap in the trees and glance over the Arun River valley..." Arundel is the sort of ground that should bring out the best in a writer and Paul Edwards has risen to the occasion with a masterful piece of prose.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2015 21:33:06 GMT
Somewhat less well-written than Paul Edwards' excellent piece, the latest missive from the club has tonight landed in my e-mail in-box. It is headed "Sussex CCC Newsletter: Madness, Where Cricket Meets Boxing and much more!" Presumbaly the first two references are to Sussex's batting and to the unfortunate KO of two Surrey players in the outfield on Sunday. As for the" much more" - nine more loan players on the way, perhaps?
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Post by wally on Jun 16, 2015 21:58:53 GMT
What the batsmen need is a rocket up their arse from the coach! You are their boss Robbo not their mates! Perhaps if you start treating them as such they may respect you more and actually start playing for you. The Sussex players need to stop feeling sorry for themselves and get their arse in gear. It could be worse you could be working in a dead end job on minimum wage. If they don't start performing with the bat they maybe doing so sooner than they think! What amazes me most is the complete lack of pride or interest in the players to actually turnaround their fortunes on the field. It really shouldn't need a coach to bullock his players. They should know their performance isn't up to scratch and actually do something about it. There is no way Robinson will bring Adams in and if the board got Adams in behind his back I think Robinson would walk. This farce cannot continue any longer. The current level of performances are an absolute disgrace. We should be scoring 300 week in week out. The number of times we have let lower order batsman get partnership for 8th and 9th wicket is unacceptable. There is a distinct lack of professionalism throughout the club at the moment. The only trophy we are going to win this season is if there is one for feeling sorry for ourselves. I cannot see us winning another game this season unless our current levels of performance improve significantly. At the moment there are very few players who are anywhere near fit to wear the Sussex shirt! Interesting. I always thought Robinson was a hard task master with little sentimentality... Surprised to hear he is mates with the players.Not sure of your evidence. He was sure unsentimental to thornley, Gatting,Adkin and even legend Goodwin. shocked to know the poor performances are due to lack of pride. my own view on the bowling is we have lost three matches in difficult situations ( including this one) because we haven't had four fit bowlers of sufficient quality on the field. Magoffin has been unable to do it on his own and time after time teams have added 150 for the last four wickets. FHP and Hobden were not yet up to the task ( they may be in the future) and now even Robinson is knackered , together with shahzad,anyon, and hatchet. as for the batting four abysmal wickets have undermined the batting confidence so that players have become tentative and suffered a loss of confidence. A brocket up their arse is unlikely to be an effective solution. in short I don't agree with any of your post and think it does the players and Robinson a great disservice. Yes we may yet get relegated with a makeshift side of second teamers and loaners ( and I am very unhappy about that )but I for one am not querying their heart or work ethic. the solution is not Adams...Joyce, Nash and Wright don't need a batting coach. But we may need some new players ( an overseas if possible) and I do feel there will be a significant change of personnel at the end of the season.
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Post by fraudster on Jun 16, 2015 22:09:49 GMT
Oh dear, pass CP the shooter. Not a single batsman seems to be in any form, a big and unusual problem. Even Joyce, who scored a double ton against Belarus seconds a week or two ago can't put it together. Still, a pitch with uneven bounce from the off is asking for trouble - is our groundsman working the outgrounds too? These tracks are following us around, result pitches are fair enough but uneven bounce from the off is a no-no. At least batting last we have home roller advantage so clearly we can do to Durham what they did to us up at the Riverside, right S&F?
As for the spinner we brought in because of Beer's inadequacy: 0-100 off 30 overs. Beer could have done that, in fact, I reckon he might have done better - atrocious treatment of the fella for too long now. The Shahzad thing's getting on my tits too - what's that all about?
Anyway, this is what has happened for the last three years and here it is again. Two ways of looking at it, pull your hair out at a lack of lessons learnt, or wait patiently for the turnaround and inevitable decent finish. I have to add in the Club's defence, this has been a cruel season for injuries. To the bowlers anyway, dunno what excuses the six out and out batters we always pick can muster.
Pooqueeta!
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Post by joe on Jun 17, 2015 6:18:53 GMT
We've had a lot of bad luck injury wise and the batting is going through a lean period. I would imagine it is particularly unsettling for a team to be chopped and changed about every game. No one can get into a natural rhythm including Robbo. It must be a very difficult job when you're scratching around for players and have to put out a side that you know isn't the best. What else can he do? Bringing in two player on loan was his only option. We had this scenario with England and they are now on the rise, I have every confidence that Sussex will soon follow suit. Supporters do just that, they support.Through good and bad times. Good old Sussex by the sea!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2015 7:14:02 GMT
as for the batting four abysmal wickets have undermined the batting confidence so that players have become tentative and suffered a loss of confidence. the solution is not Adams...Joyce, Nash and Wright don't need a batting coach. But we may need some new players ( an overseas if possible) and I do feel there will be a significant change of personnel at the end of the season. But we can't have it both ways about the wickets, wally. Last season there was talk of abandoning Arundel because of a pitch that broke bowlers' hearts and on which you could bat ten days without a result. This year it's a three day result wicket, as have been the wickets at Hove - and we're still complaining. The wickets have also been the same for both sides and opposition batsmen have in the main coped better. (Durham, by the way, won their first batting points in six games in this match, according to their supporters at Arundel. They keep getting bowled out for less than 200 in their first dig, but still win and are top of the table). You say Joyce, Nash and Wright don't need a batting coach; yet you also say they have "become tentative and suffered a loss of confidence". Aren't those exactly the circs in which a batting coach earns his corn? Joyce presumably works with a batting coach when he's with Ireland and we know Wright has a batting coach when he's playing for the Melbourne Stars in the Big Bash. So why don't they need one when they're with Sussex? Adams has been through all this before as a player and a coach - he's suffered loss of confidence and having to play on under-prepared wickets himself and he's had to deal with it in other players when he was at Surrey. You says "the solution is not Adams" and I'd agree that there is probably no one single factor that will provide THE solution. But Adams could be part of the solution. You don't have to give him a full-time job; bring him in a couple of days a week on a consultancy basis for the next month (after all, we've just brought in two players on similarly short contracts) - and then see how it goes. What would be a shame is that if the contribution Adams could make to getting the batting back on track and keeping Sussex in Div One this season is rejected not for financial or cricketing reasons, but for political ones.
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Post by coverpoint on Jun 17, 2015 12:37:09 GMT
What the batsmen need is a rocket up their arse from the coach! You are their boss Robbo not their mates! Perhaps if you start treating them as such they may respect you more and actually start playing for you. The Sussex players need to stop feeling sorry for themselves and get their arse in gear. It could be worse you could be working in a dead end job on minimum wage. If they don't start performing with the bat they maybe doing so sooner than they think! What amazes me most is the complete lack of pride or interest in the players to actually turnaround their fortunes on the field. It really shouldn't need a coach to bullock his players. They should know their performance isn't up to scratch and actually do something about it. There is no way Robinson will bring Adams in and if the board got Adams in behind his back I think Robinson would walk. This farce cannot continue any longer. The current level of performances are an absolute disgrace. We should be scoring 300 week in week out. The number of times we have let lower order batsman get partnership for 8th and 9th wicket is unacceptable. There is a distinct lack of professionalism throughout the club at the moment. The only trophy we are going to win this season is if there is one for feeling sorry for ourselves. I cannot see us winning another game this season unless our current levels of performance improve significantly. At the moment there are very few players who are anywhere near fit to wear the Sussex shirt! Interesting. I always thought Robinson was a hard task master with little sentimentality... Surprised to hear he is mates with the players.Not sure of your evidence. He was sure unsentimental to thornley, Gatting,Adkin and even legend Goodwin. shocked to know the poor performances are due to lack of pride. my own view on the bowling is we have lost three matches in difficult situations ( including this one) because we haven't had four fit bowlers of sufficient quality on the field. Magoffin has been unable to do it on his own and time after time teams have added 150 for the last four wickets. FHP and Hobden were not yet up to the task ( they may be in the future) and now even Robinson is knackered , together with shahzad,anyon, and hatchet. as for the batting four abysmal wickets have undermined the batting confidence so that players have become tentative and suffered a loss of confidence. A brocket up their arse is unlikely to be an effective solution. in short I don't agree with any of your post and think it does the players and Robinson a great disservice. Yes we may yet get relegated with a makeshift side of second teamers and loaners ( and I am very unhappy about that )but I for one am not querying their heart or work ethic. the solution is not Adams...Joyce, Nash and Wright don't need a batting coach. But we may need some new players ( an overseas if possible) and I do feel there will be a significant change of personnel at the end of the season. Young players (Thornely, Gatting and Adkin) are easier to bully. The older players get any easy ride. The fact is the players need to stop feeling sorry themselves and pull their finger out. Abysmal wickets or not the batting has been unacceptable this season. Robinson and the players don't seem capable of turning things around. If you go into a match with four bowlers you cannot have any who are not 100% fit. I think we badly need a batting coach. There should be a change of personnel as Piolet, Liddle and Zaidi did not play despite the number of injuries and are still not deemed good enough to play. Under these circumstances what are they doing here?
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Post by rusty on Jun 17, 2015 12:50:26 GMT
Durham now 406 ahead. Obviously terrified of leaving our powerhouse batting fewer than 500.
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Post by hhsussex on Jun 17, 2015 12:57:08 GMT
Durham now 406 ahead. Obviously terrified of leaving our powerhouse batting fewer than 500. I suppose it is a compliment of sorts that they aren't going to take any chances of our doing a Somerset on them. Congratulations by the way to them, who are going up as fast as we are coming down.
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Post by flashblade on Jun 17, 2015 13:41:35 GMT
I suspect the wicket may suddenly prove more difficult when we go into bat. . .
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