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Post by flashblade on Nov 10, 2016 12:11:11 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 12:46:31 GMT
www.theargus.co.uk/sport/cricket/generalcricket/14779638.Sussex_set_Joyce_a_deadline_over_his_future/As the deadline Sussex gave Joyce expired three weeks ago, does that mean he is not returning and has now officially retired fropm f/c cricket? Forgive me if I have missed something - I've just got back after three weeks away in sunnier climes. on edit: And while we are on the subject of deadlines, does anybody know what happened over Kent giving the ECB seven days to agree to arbitration over the Durham/Hants relegation/promotion issue or else they were going to the High Court? That must have been five or six weeks ago. Has a date been set for a hearing in Kent v ECB ?
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Post by hhsussex on Nov 21, 2016 14:23:03 GMT
www.theargus.co.uk/sport/cricket/generalcricket/14779638.Sussex_set_Joyce_a_deadline_over_his_future/As the deadline Sussex gave Joyce expired three weeks ago, does that mean he is not returning and has now officially retired fropm f/c cricket? Forgive me if I have missed something - I've just got back after three weeks away in sunnier climes. on edit: And while we are on the subject of deadlines, does anybody know what happened over Kent giving the ECB seven days to agree to arbitration over the Durham/Hants relegation/promotion issue or else they were going to the High Court? That must have been five or six weeks ago. Has a date been set for a hearing in Kent v ECB ? No news on Joyce or the deadline, although we've talked about it on here quite a lot. He has had an operation on his knee and I think that at his age, a suspect knee might be ok for the occasional Ireland game, but can't be risked for regular championship cricket. Also nothing at all from Kent, it just seems to have been so much hot air. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 14:52:04 GMT
Thanks, hhs. Can't see why people publicly announce deadlines when they have no intention of sticking to them. As you say, hot air all round. I've now read this link in which Davis appears to have given Joyce at least another month to make his mind up : www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/37916100 I'd guess that Sussex have come to the realisation that the club needs Joyce more than Joyce needs Sussex and so have been forced to climb down and have now told him 'take as much time as you want'. If he's not too fussed one way or the other about playing county cricket again, then the tactic of trying to force his hand with a publicly-announced deadline was never going to work... It's starting to sound like Mr Fizz all over again! |
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Post by jonboy on Nov 21, 2016 15:56:47 GMT
Thanks, hhs. Can't see why people publicly announce deadlines when they have no intention of sticking to them. As you say, hot air all round. I've now read this link in which Davis appears to have given Joyce at least another month to make his mind up : www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/37916100 I'd guess that Sussex have come to the realisation that the club needs Joyce more than Joyce needs Sussex and so have been forced to climb down and have now told him 'take as much time as you want'. If he's not too fussed one way or the other about playing county cricket again, then the tactic of giving him a publicly-announced deadline was never going to work... It's starting to sound like Mr Fizz all over again! Don't we just, if we're not signing an overseas, then re-signing Joyce is absolutely crucial. He's our one and only class batsman |
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Post by hhsussex on Nov 22, 2016 8:42:52 GMT
Thanks, hhs. Can't see why people publicly announce deadlines when they have no intention of sticking to them. As you say, hot air all round. I've now read this link in which Davis appears to have given Joyce at least another month to make his mind up : www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/37916100 I'd guess that Sussex have come to the realisation that the club needs Joyce more than Joyce needs Sussex and so have been forced to climb down and have now told him 'take as much time as you want'. If he's not too fussed one way or the other about playing county cricket again, then the tactic of giving him a publicly-announced deadline was never going to work... It's starting to sound like Mr Fizz all over again! Don't we just, if we're not signing an overseas, then re-signing Joyce is absolutely crucial. He's our one and only class batsmanI don't think that is true at all. Pretty belittling to Wright if he has recovere fully from injury, and to Nash, who matched Joyce run for run through last summer. Pretty poor if that view is held by the coach as well: we need to build a team ethos, with respect for star players, but with emphasis on development, not reliance on yesterday's men. Joyce has been an extremely fine player but he is ageing, has family ties and embitions elsewhere. For goodness sake let's move on and spend his salary on players who will be the future of the team. |
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Post by jonboy on Nov 22, 2016 9:50:34 GMT
Don't we just, if we're not signing an overseas, then re-signing Joyce is absolutely crucial. He's our one and only class batsmanI don't think that is true at all. Pretty belittling to Wright if he has recovere fully from injury, and to Nash, who matched Joyce run for run through last summer. Pretty poor if that view is held by the coach as well: we need to build a team ethos, with respect for star players, but with emphasis on development, not reliance on yesterday's men. Joyce has been an extremely fine player but he is ageing, has family ties and embitions elsewhere. For goodness sake let's move on and spend his salary on players who will be the future of the team. I stand by that, both Wright and Nash are excellent players, and both are fine batsman. Ed though, is a class above in my opinion. Cricket is of course a team game, but it's generally that extra bit of quality, allied to a good team ethos, that makes you successful. We had it previously with Mushy, Adams and Goodwin, who were the star acts, ably supported by a dozen very good players. We have very good players now of course, but our two stand out players, Joyce and Magoffin, are coming to the end of their careers. We've seen what happens when you don't replace players of that quality, it's a downward spiral. |
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Post by flashblade on Nov 22, 2016 11:04:08 GMT
I don't think that is true at all. Pretty belittling to Wright if he has recovere fully from injury, and to Nash, who matched Joyce run for run through last summer. Pretty poor if that view is held by the coach as well: we need to build a team ethos, with respect for star players, but with emphasis on development, not reliance on yesterday's men. Joyce has been an extremely fine player but he is ageing, has family ties and embitions elsewhere. For goodness sake let's move on and spend his salary on players who will be the future of the team. I stand by that, both Wright and Nash are excellent players, and both are fine batsman. Ed though, is a class above in my opinion. Cricket is of course a team game, but it's generally that extra bit of quality, allied to a good team ethos, that makes you successful. We had it previously with Mushy, Adams and Goodwin, who were the star acts, ably supported by a dozen very good players. We have very good players now of course, but our two stand out players, Joyce and Magoffin, are coming to the end of their careers. We've seen what happens when you don't replace players of that quality, it's a downward spiral. But how can you attempt to replace Joyce if you don't know if he's staying or not?? Davis is in an unenviable position. |
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Post by jonboy on Nov 22, 2016 11:25:47 GMT
I stand by that, both Wright and Nash are excellent players, and both are fine batsman. Ed though, is a class above in my opinion. Cricket is of course a team game, but it's generally that extra bit of quality, allied to a good team ethos, that makes you successful. We had it previously with Mushy, Adams and Goodwin, who were the star acts, ably supported by a dozen very good players. We have very good players now of course, but our two stand out players, Joyce and Magoffin, are coming to the end of their careers. We've seen what happens when you don't replace players of that quality, it's a downward spiral. But how can you attempt to replace Joyce if you don't know if he's staying or not?? Davis is in an unenviable position. It's not ideal I know, but the only way we could conceivably replace Joyce, would be by using the overseas route. Davis has already ruled that out, we apparently won't be having an overseas this year in the championship |
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Post by flashblade on Nov 22, 2016 12:13:26 GMT
But how can you attempt to replace Joyce if you don't know if he's staying or not?? Davis is in an unenviable position. It's not ideal I know, but the only way we could conceivably replace Joyce, would be by using the overseas route. Davis has already ruled that out, we apparently won't be having an overseas this year in the championship If, in the fullness of time, Joyce decides to go, then Davis will have a top salary available for any new signing, so we wouldn't rule out a replacement in terms of salary cost. |
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Post by coverpoint on Nov 22, 2016 18:59:52 GMT
Sign an overseas batsman as Joyce will miss at least four games because of Ireland. We need someone who can play the whole season not just part of it.
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Post by flashblade on Nov 22, 2016 20:21:43 GMT
Sign an overseas batsman as Joyce will miss at least four games because of Ireland. We need someone who can play the whole season not just part of it.And his fitness has been questionable over the past couple of years, even before his recent operation. I don't think Davis should gamble too heavily on this. |
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Post by jonboy on Nov 22, 2016 23:50:13 GMT
It's not ideal I know, but the only way we could conceivably replace Joyce, would be by using the overseas route. Davis has already ruled that out, we apparently won't be having an overseas this year in the championship If, in the fullness of time, Joyce decides to go, then Davis will have a top salary available for any new signing, so we wouldn't rule out a replacement in terms of salary cost. I hope you're right of course, but we've seen before when good players have left, or retired, and have not been adequately replaced That's why we find ourselves where we are. |
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Post by flashblade on Nov 23, 2016 8:25:31 GMT
If, in the fullness of time, Joyce decides to go, then Davis will have a top salary available for any new signing, so we wouldn't rule out a replacement in terms of salary cost. I hope you're right of course, but we've seen before when good players have left, or retired, and have not been adequately replaced That's why we find ourselves where we are. Bottom line - Davis should make Joyce's decision now, so that he has time to find a replacement. Time is more of an issue than money, I think. |
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Post by coverpoint on Nov 23, 2016 12:24:16 GMT
I hope you're right of course, but we've seen before when good players have left, or retired, and have not been adequately replaced That's why we find ourselves where we are. Bottom line - Davis should make Joyce's decision now, so that he has time to find a replacement. Time is more of an issue than money, I think. I couldn't agree more! Joyce's fitness and availability preclude resigning him as a viable option. |
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